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Post by Pixie on Jun 16, 2023 7:00:57 GMT -5
Received this comment from a board member:
"Curious why nobody is talking about the SSA solicitation for other agency sitting ALJs. I imagine that would impact the timing and number of offers in the anticipated round of calls."
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Post by Maria C. on Jun 16, 2023 7:23:26 GMT -5
Received this comment from a board member: "Curious why nobody is talking about the SSA solicitation for other agency sitting ALJs. I imagine that would impact the timing and number of offers in the anticipated round of calls." I did not see this posting (assuming it was on USA jobs). Anyone familiar with this? |
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Post by mrmojo on Jun 16, 2023 7:41:34 GMT -5
Received this comment from a board member: "Curious why nobody is talking about the SSA solicitation for other agency sitting ALJs. I imagine that would impact the timing and number of offers in the anticipated round of calls." I did not see this posting (assuming it was on USA jobs). Anyone familiar with this? I can’t imagine sitting ALJs from other agencies picking up to move to SSA. The path is typically the reverse. |
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Post by Burt Macklin on Jun 16, 2023 8:15:29 GMT -5
Received this comment from a board member: "Curious why nobody is talking about the SSA solicitation for other agency sitting ALJs. I imagine that would impact the timing and number of offers in the anticipated round of calls." I did not see this posting (assuming it was on USA jobs). Anyone familiar with this? It was an internal detail solicitation to other ALJ having agencies. Requested details for Senior ALJs in SSA in six locations. |
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Post by tripper on Jun 16, 2023 8:25:43 GMT -5
Why wouldn’t SSA take its own retired ALJs as senior judges? I know plenty who would jump at the chance (as well as current ALJs who would retire if the senior judge program was active).
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Post by justkeepliving on Jun 16, 2023 8:35:32 GMT -5
I did not see this posting (assuming it was on USA jobs). Anyone familiar with this? It was an internal detail solicitation to other ALJ having agencies. Requested details for Senior ALJs in SSA in six locations. Can you share which locations? |
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Post by Updog on Jun 16, 2023 8:44:14 GMT -5
The Senior ALJ program where retired ALJs come back as re-employed annuitants is currently available. The question of whether that program is currently available was covered in a conference call I was on yesterday.
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Post by hopefalj on Jun 16, 2023 9:06:46 GMT -5
I did not see this posting (assuming it was on USA jobs). Anyone familiar with this? I can’t imagine sitting ALJs from other agencies picking up to move to SSA. The path is typically the reverse. I would think that it would be rare, too, but there is greater geographic availability in SSA than any other agency. You can’t work for the DOL or OMHA in Mt. Pleasant or Paducah. Now if only six locations were offered as reported, I think it would have few takers. |
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Post by Burt Macklin on Jun 16, 2023 9:24:02 GMT -5
The Senior ALJ program where retired ALJs come back as re-employed annuitants is currently available. The question of whether that program is currently available was covered in a conference call I was on yesterday.
This solicitation appears to be a 5 CFR § 930.208 loan situation. 209 defines Senior ALJ exactly as you state it.
But 209 states "if OPM is unable to identify an administrative law judge under § 930.208..." so this 208 loan attempt appears to be a prerequisite before SSA Senior ALJs could be brought back from retirement.
So either the solicitation used a term of art inartfully, or maybe it can apply in this situation due to the intertwining of 208/209. No idea.
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Post by tripper on Jun 16, 2023 10:20:31 GMT -5
The Senior ALJ program where retired ALJs come back as re-employed annuitants is currently available. The question of whether that program is currently available was covered in a conference call I was on yesterday. This solicitation appears to be a 5 CFR § 930.208 loan situation. 209 defines Senior ALJ exactly as you state it.
But 209 states "if OPM is unable to identify an administrative law judge under § 930.208..." so this 208 loan attempt appears to be a prerequisite before SSA Senior ALJs could be brought back from retirement.
So either the solicitation used a term of art inartfully, or maybe it can apply in this situation due to the intertwining of 208/209. No idea.
So a solicitation under 209 requires an effort first under 208? |
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Post by neufenland on Jun 16, 2023 10:44:37 GMT -5
I kind of hate to be "that guy," but we are losing the plot a bit.
Just for the sake of the anxiety of all the candidates currently waiting, is it possible to move discussion of Retired/Loan ALJs, or other tangential commentary, to another thread?
I only ask because, as noted above, when those of us currently in the waiting situation see this specific thread updated, we can tend to get excited/worried/whatever emotion as we nervously check to see if some important scuttle or real news is dropping. I don't doubt that the discussion of Detail/Retired ALJs is important. I am sure it is, and it might very well impact overall number of new hires; I'm just suggesting that maybe it be discussed elsewhere on the Board.
I have no power here, so of course, will defer to Pixie's expertise and will shut up and color if needed.
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Post by dshawn on Jun 16, 2023 12:04:19 GMT -5
I kind of hate to be "that guy," but we are losing the plot a bit. Just for the sake of the anxiety of all the candidates currently waiting, is it possible to move discussion of Retired/Loan ALJs, or other tangential commentary, to another thread? I only ask because, as noted above, when those of us currently in the waiting situation see this specific thread updated, we can tend to get excited/worried/whatever emotion as we nervously check to see if some important scuttle or real news is dropping. I don't doubt that the discussion of Detail/Retired ALJs is important. I am sure it is, and it might very well impact overall number of new hires; I'm just suggesting that maybe it be discussed elsewhere on the Board. I have no power here, so of course, will defer to Pixie's expertise and will shut up and color if needed. I don’t think the request makes you “that guy” but, as you concede, it is relevant to this thread as it is likely to impact the number and locations of hires. Having said that, your point as to increase in anxiety when the hopefuls see this thread updated is appreciated. Sorry to add to that by this response. Still, when offers do go out, from past experience, one will know because this thread and the Board generally will light up like a Christmas tree. Happy long weekend to all current feds. Not sure what the correct wording is. Happy Juneteeth sounds odd, but I am open to being corrected. |
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Post by Burt Macklin on Jun 16, 2023 12:57:01 GMT -5
This solicitation appears to be a 5 CFR § 930.208 loan situation. 209 defines Senior ALJ exactly as you state it.
But 209 states "if OPM is unable to identify an administrative law judge under § 930.208..." so this 208 loan attempt appears to be a prerequisite before SSA Senior ALJs could be brought back from retirement.
So either the solicitation used a term of art inartfully, or maybe it can apply in this situation due to the intertwining of 208/209. No idea.
So a solicitation under 209 requires an effort first under 208? I have no direct or SME knowledge here - just looking at the statute. Maybe someone else can weigh in.
5 CFR § 930.209(c) (Senior Administrative Law Judge Program) - "...If OPM is unable to identify an administrative law judge under § 930.208 who meets the agency's qualification requirements, OPM will approve the agency's request."
5 CFR§ 930.208 is "Administrative Law Judge Loan Program—detail to other agencies"
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Post by prescient on Jun 16, 2023 13:06:51 GMT -5
I did not see this posting (assuming it was on USA jobs). Anyone familiar with this? I can’t imagine sitting ALJs from other agencies picking up to move to SSA. The path is typically the reverse. 2 of the 56 hires last fall were ALJ transfers from Medicare |
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Post by recoveringalj on Jun 16, 2023 15:04:19 GMT -5
I can’t imagine sitting ALJs from other agencies picking up to move to SSA. The path is typically the reverse. 2 of the 56 hires last fall were ALJ transfers from Medicare Doesn’t sound like those would be senior ALJs or details though. Could be transfers or have come through the regular hiring process. |
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Post by pumpkin on Jun 16, 2023 21:58:22 GMT -5
There is a poll up to gauge interest in a possible SSA Senior ALJ position - because really good rumors, conjecture and speculation deserve a poll.
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Post by arkstfan on Jun 17, 2023 1:43:55 GMT -5
I went through training way back when with a Medicare ALJ. Came over to move back to their home city. They got to train with a lawyer from their office who had been selected.
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