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Post by shmi1979 on Oct 2, 2024 6:47:11 GMT -5
Do we have any idea on a potential time frame? Are we talking like this week? Or there's time to work on getting stuff together I don't think anyone would tell, even if they knew.
I doubt anyone with decision making power would care, but I would hope that those affected by the hurricane would at least have power and internet back before the announcement drops. I don't think the posting would be live for more than a day, and it would be cruel for someone otherwise prepared to have to wait years to apply again due to something totally outside their control.
I feel like this is something that absolute should be considered, but probably won't be. They most likely have an opaque hiring timeline pegged to the announcement date. |
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Post by trp888 on Oct 2, 2024 7:32:06 GMT -5
It was open for about 9 hours last time. I wasn't able to even get an application in due to being stuck in an airport. Felt like being punished for daring to take a vacation. what time in the morning does the announcement usually post? The April 2022 posting opened at approximately 9- 930 Eastern time (something like that) and it closed the same day at 11:59:59 PM Eastern time as the 1,000 app threshold had been met. So it was open for approximately 15 hours on the day it was released and anyone that got their application completed and submitted that day before that closing time (midnight est) was considered. That being said, make sure if you’re in a different time zone to adjust your expectations of opening and closing times - submitting an app at 10pm pacific time would not work. I would not expect the app to remain open beyond the first day - the same as two years ago. Get your stuff in order ASAP. When the app does go live, word will spread like wildfire. If you’re remotely paying attention you’ll know it’s open. |
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Post by neufenland on Oct 2, 2024 9:17:52 GMT -5
It was open for about 9 hours last time. I wasn't able to even get an application in due to being stuck in an airport. Felt like being punished for daring to take a vacation. what time in the morning does the announcement usually post? I can’t recall, but I think it’s safe to assume it’ll be up at the start of the working day for East Coasters. I am not an insider, so my info is from Lord Varys and his little birds (is it still cool to make GOT references, or did the last season ruin that?), but I heard a rumor that that it might (stress on the “might”) be a fixed open period this time. In other words, it wouldn’t shut down after a certain number of applications. A very short open period, but an open period, nonetheless. Do not rely on that, though. It’s most definitely a rumor. |
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Post by td37 on Oct 2, 2024 9:47:44 GMT -5
Even a full 24 hours would be an improvement
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Post by mango54 on Oct 2, 2024 9:55:07 GMT -5
Any guesses on when they would work the transfer list relative to this potential new posting? Asking for a friend.....😁
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Post by Top Tier on Oct 2, 2024 17:13:53 GMT -5
Any guesses on when they would work the transfer list relative to this potential new posting? Asking for a friend.....😁 Before. |
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Post by OhNoOHO on Oct 2, 2024 21:05:28 GMT -5
Any guesses on when they would work the transfer list relative to this potential new posting? Asking for a friend.....😁 Before. Noob question- what's the transfer list? |
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Post by tsatty on Oct 2, 2024 21:56:10 GMT -5
Noob question- what's the transfer list? Transfer list—OHO has hearing offices all over the country. Historically, a common strategy was to express willingness to go to some of the less-popular hearing office, with the idea that after some period of time (now at least 15 months), you would have the opportunity to transfer. So, you get ALJs who get hired and assigned to unpopular places, like Mt Pleasant, but who don’t want to be there for more than a year or so. So, the transfer list is a list of names of ALJs who want to transfer from Mt Pleasant (where the ALJ went to get in the door), to wherever the ALJ wants to be. |
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Post by tsatty on Oct 2, 2024 22:00:04 GMT -5
Should further add—historically, OHO will “work the transfer list” prior to a hiring. That means that OHO will go down the list and offer transfers by order of seniority prior to any hiring. Thus, offering transfer is often a harbinger of an ALJ hiring. Though OHO may collect resumes before offering transfer.
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Post by Gaidin on Oct 2, 2024 22:54:17 GMT -5
Should further add—historically, OHO will “work the transfer list” prior to a hiring. That means that OHO will go down the list and offer transfers by order of seniority prior to any hiring. Thus, offering transfer is often a harbinger of an ALJ hiring. Though OHO may collect resumes before offering transfer. By contract they have to work the transfer list into any office they intend to hire for. Traditionally, they work the entire transfer list for offices that can take more ALJs BUT they don't have to do more than work it for offices they want to hire into. I expect that we will get some information before the announcement goes live about the day. Maybe a lot of notice maybe a little but some notice. The big thing is getting your application materials together so that when it goes live you're ready. |
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Post by OhNoOHO on Oct 2, 2024 22:57:25 GMT -5
Should further add—historically, OHO will “work the transfer list” prior to a hiring. That means that OHO will go down the list and offer transfers by order of seniority prior to any hiring. Thus, offering transfer is often a harbinger of an ALJ hiring. Though OHO may collect resumes before offering transfer. Interesting. In the past, how long after working the transfer list did the agency post the new ALJ solicitation? |
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Post by Gaidin on Oct 2, 2024 23:00:57 GMT -5
Should further add—historically, OHO will “work the transfer list” prior to a hiring. That means that OHO will go down the list and offer transfers by order of seniority prior to any hiring. Thus, offering transfer is often a harbinger of an ALJ hiring. Though OHO may collect resumes before offering transfer. Interesting. In the past, how long after working the transfer list did the agency post the new ALJ solicitation? They will most likely post the solicitation. Get their applicant pool then right before they interview they will work the transfer list. |
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Post by OhNoOHO on Oct 2, 2024 23:29:30 GMT -5
Interesting. In the past, how long after working the transfer list did the agency post the new ALJ solicitation? They will most likely post the solicitation. Get their applicant pool then right before they interview they will work the transfer list. Would the essay questions from the questionnaire be the same as last time (in all likelihood)? |
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Post by roonie on Oct 3, 2024 8:21:39 GMT -5
Do you think they will hold off a little due to the impact of the hurricane?
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Post by rmspringfield on Oct 3, 2024 11:45:52 GMT -5
I’m seeing the scuttle about an imminent hire and I have to say I don’t get it.
The decision writers are so desperate for decisions to write there’s constant beating of drums to move cases along. There’s not enough decisions to write because the judges aren’t getting full dockets scheduled. The judges aren’t getting full dockets because new cases aren’t reaching OHO. And that all goes back to the issues with the state agencies processing cases. I cannot imagine why there would be a need to work the transfer list. If you have judges in a hard to fill office you would want to keep them there. No sense in transferring judges from hard to fill offices to other offices when all of the offices don’t have enough cases to go around. Or for that matter rev up for a new round of ALJ hires.
Unless a solution has been found to the case processing issues and the OHOs are about to get slammed. Or we’re about to see a massive wave of retirements.
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Post by neufenland on Oct 3, 2024 13:46:08 GMT -5
I’m seeing the scuttle about an imminent hire and I have to say I don’t get it. The decision writers are so desperate for decisions to write there’s constant beating of drums to move cases along. There’s not enough decisions to write because the judges aren’t getting full dockets scheduled. The judges aren’t getting full dockets because new cases aren’t reaching OHO. And that all goes back to the issues with the state agencies processing cases. I cannot imagine why there would be a need to work the transfer list. If you have judges in a hard to fill office you would want to keep them there. No sense in transferring judges from hard to fill offices to other offices when all of the offices don’t have enough cases to go around. Or for that matter rev up for a new round of ALJ hires. Unless a solution has been found to the case processing issues and the OHOs are about to get slammed. Or we’re about to see a massive wave of retirements. Everyone is throwing around the word “imminent,” but we’ve been talking about this for a week. I have a different understanding of that word’s definition… |
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Post by rip on Oct 3, 2024 14:21:09 GMT -5
I’m seeing the scuttle about an imminent hire and I have to say I don’t get it. The decision writers are so desperate for decisions to write there’s constant beating of drums to move cases along. There’s not enough decisions to write because the judges aren’t getting full dockets scheduled. The judges aren’t getting full dockets because new cases aren’t reaching OHO. And that all goes back to the issues with the state agencies processing cases. I cannot imagine why there would be a need to work the transfer list. If you have judges in a hard to fill office you would want to keep them there. No sense in transferring judges from hard to fill offices to other offices when all of the offices don’t have enough cases to go around. Or for that matter rev up for a new round of ALJ hires. Unless a solution has been found to the case processing issues and the OHOs are about to get slammed. Or we’re about to see a massive wave of retirements. So let me say that I do not have any exact knowledge of the reasons, but I can tell you why I am happy it’s being done. We have had some attrition with judges over the last year and at the same time average pending time is at a 30 year low. I think that they are eager to keep that average pending time where it is and not have it start creeping back up. Adding to that…at the initial level, there is still a massive backlog. While it won’t hit OHO in a wave, case closures have been outpaced receipts for several months. That would indicate that more cases than usual will start coming in at the hearing level. I’m rather pleased they are trying to be proactive rather than reactive on this, but that’s just my opinion. |
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Post by whyohwhy on Oct 3, 2024 14:57:46 GMT -5
Could be something as simple as the Agency is taking steps that it feels its required to take before trying to onboard a bunch of OMHA ALJs who are otherwise going to be out of a job. I suppose it could also be a true outside hire. remember, the hundreds of judges who were hired in the 2008-2013 timeframe are getting older. Many of them came into the ALJ position with prior federal service and are likely eligible to retire. Even those who were new to federal service are almost at the magic 20 year threshold.
I, personally, do not see the need to hire right now but I'm in an office with historically low receipts. I would think any "surge" of cases from DDS would only take us up to a level where we could actually hear 50 cases a month again. If my office's receipts tripled from where they are now we still wouldn't be getting enough for 50 a month
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Post by Judge McJudgeypants on Oct 3, 2024 14:58:37 GMT -5
Recently, the OMHA Chief Judge indicated that, to help OMHA right-size, he has been in touch with, among other agencies, SSA to see what their hiring plans/needs might look like in the near future. This is a complete guess on my part, but perhaps the decision for SSA to put out a posting now (before the end of the first quarter of FY25, by which time OMHA has some decisions to make), is, in part, an effort to help absorb some of OMHA's ALJ's? SSA might consider this especially advantageous where some OMHA ALJs may be willing to relocate to any underserved or unpopular SSA offices.
But even if this is case, fear not non-current ALJ judicial hopefuls--it was made clear to us OMHA judges that any posted ALJ positions are 100% open to competition, and we are not guaranteed a transition from one ALJ job to another. No matter what the true motivations are behind an upcoming USAJobs posting, those that apply will all start at the same starting line.
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Post by neufenland on Oct 3, 2024 15:03:06 GMT -5
Recently, the OMHA Chief Judge indicated that, to help OMHA right-size, he has been in touch with, among other agencies, SSA to see what their hiring plans/needs might look like in the near future. This is a complete guess on my part, but perhaps the decision for SSA to put out a posting now (before the end of the first quarter of FY25, by which time OMHA has some decisions to make), is, in part, an effort to help absorb some of OMHA's ALJ's? SSA might consider this especially advantageous where some OMHA ALJs may be willing to relocate to any underserved or unpopular SSA offices. But even if this is case, fear not non-current ALJ judicial hopefuls--it was made clear to us OMHA judges that any posted ALJ positions are 100% open to competition, and we are not guaranteed a transition from one ALJ job to another. No matter what the true motivations are behind an upcoming USAJobs posting, those that apply will all start at the same starting line. I predicted this a page or two ago… “Open to competition” is all well and good, but if we aren’t sitting ALJs, it’s darn hard to compete with those who are. SSA is usually the gateway to ALJ-dom. I don’t blame OMHA judges for wanting to move, though. What choice do you have when faced with a RIF? The rest of us can probably hang on another year or so to try again… But, what do I know? Is there an update to the OMHA situation? How many might be needing a new home? |
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