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Post by float on Oct 14, 2008 7:41:45 GMT -5
Thank you for doing this. Would you please check South Carolina, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin?
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Post by gadourylaw on Oct 14, 2008 7:44:47 GMT -5
Dear ALJ South,
Would you provided information re: the northeast, MA, RI, CT, NH, VT, ME ?
Your help is greatly appreciated !
Sincerely,
Mike G.
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Post by aljsouth on Oct 14, 2008 8:24:07 GMT -5
How about Georgia, South Carolina, and Delaware? Thanks for doing this for everyone! 1 to Atlanta 1 to Atlanta, North 2 to Macon, GA 1 to Savannah, GA 2 to Charleston, SC 1 to Columbia, SC 3 to Greenville, SC 4 to Dover, DE 2 from Dover, DE 2 from Savannah, GA |
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Post by aljsouth on Oct 14, 2008 8:27:33 GMT -5
Dear ALJ South, Would you provided information re: the northeast, MA, RI, CT, NH, VT, ME ? Your help is greatly appreciated ! Sincerely, Mike G. 1 to Boston, MA 1 to Hartford, CT 1 to Manchester, NH 1 to New Haven, CT 1 to Portland, ME 1 from Boston 1 from Hartford,CT 1 from Manchester, NH 1 from Providence, RI 1 from Springfield, MA |
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Post by aljsouth on Oct 14, 2008 9:28:42 GMT -5
Thank you for doing this. Would you please check South Carolina, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin? 2 to Charleston, SC 1 to Columbia, SC 3 to Greenville, SC 1 to Flint, MI 1 to Cleveland, OH 1 to Dayton, OH 1 to Columbus, OH 0 to WI 1 from Cincinnati 0 to WI offices 0 from SC offices 3 from Lansing, MI 2 from Milwaukee, WI 1 from Cleveland |
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Post by traceb on Oct 14, 2008 11:49:17 GMT -5
Can someone please explain the New Transfer Register to me. I notice that there is 1 transfer to Oklahoma City, 1 transfer to McAlester, Oklahoma; and 1 transfer to Tulsa. But what does that mean. Does that mean that there will be no new ALJ's hired in those offices from the next registry? How does it work.
Sorry to sound silly but I really don't understand what the transfer register is, how it works or what that means with regards to new hires in the local offices.
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Post by nonamouse on Oct 14, 2008 12:11:24 GMT -5
Can someone please explain the New Transfer Register to me. I notice that there is 1 transfer to Oklahoma City, 1 transfer to McAlester, Oklahoma; and 1 transfer to Tulsa. But what does that mean. Does that mean that there will be no new ALJ's hired in those offices from the next registry? How does it work. Sorry to sound silly but I really don't understand what the transfer register is, how it works or what that means with regards to new hires in the local offices. I can explain it the way that I understand it. When an opening is going to be filled in a particular office, the agency is required by the contract with the ALJ union to offer it to the first person on the transfer list. This will be an ALJ who has been on the job for at least 2 years and who wants to leave their current office for greener pastures. (You cannot get onto the transfer list until your first 2 years as an ALJ in SSA have passed.) Once the offer has been made, the person can decline it or move at their own expense to the new office. If the first person on the list declines, the agency is free to offer to the next person on the transfer list or go for a new hire. This process is why it is not very helpful as a potential "new hire" to know which office may have an empty ALJ office or an increased case load (receipts) because they may or may not get a warm body from the transfer list. My advice for applicants is to focus on the portion of the process you are in currently and worry about the rest when it happens. You will just give yourself anxiety trying to figure out all of the possibilities, especially if you had a long list of cities for availability. |
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Post by blackswan on Oct 14, 2008 13:11:29 GMT -5
If the move is at their own expense, under what circumstances is the move paid for by the agency?
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Post by barkley on Oct 14, 2008 13:52:46 GMT -5
If the move is at their own expense, under what circumstances is the move paid for by the agency? When it is to the advantage of the government. If SSA is going to fill 100 slots, it does not really matter where the slots are, from SSA's point of view. Letting the ALJs choose to transfer, just moves the open slot. It does not really benefit SSA to move an ALJ from one location to another to do the same job. Since the move is for the benefit of the judge, the judge pays. SSA pays when it is in their interest. So if a HOCALJ position opens up and no one in the local office will take it, they will pay an ALJ to move to that office to take the slot. Or if they select a government employee (AA, SA, HOD, etc) to take an ALJ slot, they will pay for the move because arguable it is in SSA's best interest to use that employee as an ALJ instead of their old job. |
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Post by zarco522 on Oct 14, 2008 18:50:40 GMT -5
Thank you for all the insights here, and the information on transfers. There seems to be a wealth of information on this site.
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Post by aljsouth on Oct 14, 2008 19:03:07 GMT -5
Can someone please explain the New Transfer Register to me. I notice that there is 1 transfer to Oklahoma City, 1 transfer to McAlester, Oklahoma; and 1 transfer to Tulsa. But what does that mean. Does that mean that there will be no new ALJ's hired in those offices from the next registry? How does it work. Sorry to sound silly but I really don't understand what the transfer register is, how it works or what that means with regards to new hires in the local offices. I can explain it the way that I understand it. When an opening is going to be filled in a particular office, the agency is required by the contract with the ALJ union to offer it to the first person on the transfer list. This will be an ALJ who has been on the job for at least 2 years and who wants to leave their current office for greener pastures. (You cannot get onto the transfer list until your first 2 years as an ALJ in SSA have passed.) Once the offer has been made, the person can decline it or move at their own expense to the new office. If the first person on the list declines, the agency is free to offer to the next person on the transfer list or go for a new hire. This process is why it is not very helpful as a potential "new hire" to know which office may have an empty ALJ office or an increased case load (receipts) because they may or may not get a warm body from the transfer list. My advice for applicants is to focus on the portion of the process you are in currently and worry about the rest when it happens. You will just give yourself anxiety trying to figure out all of the possibilities, especially if you had a long list of cities for availability. One Point: Under the prior COSS the agency agreed by letter to go down the list before offering the slot to a new hire. Since most places have one or two or no transfer requests this is not burdensome. They never seem to hire for San Diego or D.C. and most other very popular sites anyway. However, I know of several sites with multiple names on the list and all of the ALJ's declined the transfer. It all depends. Personally I think ALJ's don't take the list as seriously as they should and the agency should concede some other labor issues to obtain a "penalty" for refusing. The penalty being removal from the list for the site declined and not being able to get back on that site for 12 months. |
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Post by ruonthelist on Oct 20, 2008 15:48:23 GMT -5
Can someone please explain the New Transfer Register to me. I notice that there is 1 transfer to Oklahoma City, 1 transfer to McAlester, Oklahoma; and 1 transfer to Tulsa. But what does that mean. Does that mean that there will be no new ALJ's hired in those offices from the next registry? How does it work. Your question is a good one. When the transfer list started in 2001 I saw lots of cities with several names on them and assumed that no new hires would go to those cities because of the number of incumbents who were on the register. And yet, in the next classes in 2004 and 2005 several new hires did go to such cities, because everyone on the transfer list either declined, or took another transfer (you can list up to three cities). I have never talked to any of the judges who declined an offer, and can only speculate, but here is my theory to account for at least some of those declination decisions. A lot of judges have someplace, or a few someplaces, to which they want eventually to retire. That is one reason why so many cities with long lists are in the sunbelt. However, many others are not--it is an individual decision. In any event, when the agency makes an offer they may not be ready to move just then--kids in school, spouse's job, don't want to sell their house in a down market, whatever. So when the offer comes, they decline, which drops them to the bottom of the register for that city, and sit tight, hoping to get back to the top when they hope to be more ready to make the move. |
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Post by zarco522 on Oct 29, 2008 18:25:23 GMT -5
For those who have gone through this process, another basic question --
is there any opportunity to indicate preferences among the locations we selected?
Some one indicated that they were able to get their "first choice" among their locations, and I am wondering how that happens.
Assuming that we do well on the WD and SI and make it onto a cert. list for locations that we selected, is there an opportunity to have input into where we interview, since we can only turn down one offer?
For example, I put down a number of cities/states where I would be happy to go, but I do have a preference to stay close geographically to where I live now. Can I indicate my first choice somewhere, or do we just hope that we make the list for our first or second pick early enough to accept.
Or do you simply have to wait for the transfers?
I don't want to jinx anything since I am still very early in the process, but just in case they ask me to rank locations, I'd like to know ahead of time ...
Thanks, and good luck to everyone taking the WD and SI.
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Post by pm on Oct 29, 2008 18:38:31 GMT -5
No, there is no opportunity to indicate preferences. Those who got their first choice were lucky.
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Post by workdrone on Oct 29, 2008 18:47:21 GMT -5
is there any opportunity to indicate preferences among the locations we selected? No. Some one indicated that they were able to get their "first choice" among their locations, and I am wondering how that happens. Luck? I know one person who only listed a handful of cities, and she got the one she wanted the most. She was an agency outsider, so she just got really lucky. I also know of a HOD who became an ALJ at her old office. In that case some thoughts might have gone into that placement. is there an opportunity to have input into where we interview, since we can only turn down one offer? For example, I put down a number of cities/states where I would be happy to go, but I do have a preference to stay close geographically to where I live now. Can I indicate my first choice somewhere, or do we just hope that we make the list for our first or second pick early enough to accept. If SSA offers you the opportunity to interview, you can eliminate additional cities from consideration in the paperwork you submit prior to the interview. However, there is no way to rank your preferences. If you get an offer, the agency will just offer you one of the locations that you circled as acceptable. If it's the city you want, you lucked out. If it's not, then you either take it and become an ALJ, or leave it and stay on the register. There's no bargaining. The first offer is also the only offer, if you turn it down, you're done for this cycle. The agency isn't going to come back with another offer. It will consider you again if your name shows up on a new cert during the next go-around. Or do you simply have to wait for the transfers? That's what happens to most new ALJs. Get in the job first then try to transfer to where home is. Most ends up being able to transfer in a few years. However, for the more popular destinations (such as Hawaii), it is almost impossible. |
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Post by nonamouse on Oct 29, 2008 20:18:24 GMT -5
Actually, I know someone who did turn down the 1st offer from ODAR this year. This person was given a 2nd offer, but it is the only time that I've heard of it happening. I would not have done it, but then again I took a super scary chance by not listing a large number of locations. I knew that it could cause me to sit on the register for years, but I was blessed to be chosen anyway for the very last class this year. Sometimes people have to make the tough choice for their family and increase the chance that they won't be selected.
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