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Post by elizjuge on Nov 13, 2008 15:53:08 GMT -5
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Post by chinook on Nov 13, 2008 16:56:02 GMT -5
My suggestion is to look in the "Plum BooK" There are very few people in SSA that are likely to be leaving. www.gpoaccess.gov/plumbook/2008/p183-189_ssa.pdfEven though the politicos like to think they are running the government, it is the career people that make the real decisions, particularly when it comes to hiring through the civil service. |
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Post by pm on Nov 13, 2008 22:33:38 GMT -5
It occurs to me that changes are afoot everywhere, including Falls Church, as the result of the recent election. The fact that so many qualified candidates were bypassed in the last two certs, and the application of the (apparently fatal) Rule of Three, would leave many of us with the distinct impression that our possibility of selection by ODAR is nil, since, through no fault of our own, we got blackballed at ODAR and OGC. However, because there will be significant changes throughout SSA, a tiny little light has shown up, that perhaps the Bush-worshipping nitwits, near-do-wells, and nicompoops in ODAR and OGC who blackballed us will themselves be seeking new employment soon, and the nasty mark against our otherwise fine names that killed our chances may be soon erased! Or not. Then of course there are those who were not selected because they think everything is a political issue...... |
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Post by pm on Nov 13, 2008 22:38:44 GMT -5
My suggestion is to look in the "Plum BooK" There are very few people in SSA that are likely to be leaving. www.gpoaccess.gov/plumbook/2008/p183-189_ssa.pdfEven though the politicos like to think they are running the government, it is the career people that make the real decisions, particularly when it comes to hiring through the civil service. You are so right, but trying to explain that to some people is a lost cause. They are absolutely certain that Bush himself (or at least Cheney) dropped by and reviewed their application and then personally blackballed them. The truth is that once you get to the ODAR interview stage, most people are chosen simply because the interviewers like them. No politics involved. If you don't interview well, if you can't carry on a simple conversation without dredging up political issues or you don't come across as being very sharp, you won't be hired. |
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Post by jennifer on Nov 14, 2008 9:29:37 GMT -5
I think Patriots Fan's problem is the same as mine -- he's limited geographically. No need to snipe.
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Post by deaddisco on Nov 14, 2008 11:27:13 GMT -5
As someone who personally met the new ALJ's assigned to the region 1 offices, I'd say that the new region 1 ALJ's were probably the most overall qualified people in the most recent training class. I know we love conspiracies around here, but I just don't think this is the case.
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Post by nonamouse on Nov 14, 2008 13:29:11 GMT -5
Everyone in my class brought excellent qualifications and great people skills to the table. The ALJ corp covers the spectrum from far left to far right, but the selection process is not partisan. OPM certainly did not ask about political leanings and neither did ODAR. In fact, I happen to know that ALJs from across the spectrum were involved in the hiring this year, so it was not done by political appointees with a certain agenda. ODAR is not DOJ with its politically motivated questioning. I cannot speak for what the other agencies did during their hiring process, but it was likely managed by career federal employees rather than appointees also.
I think that everyone needs to remember that a high score from OPM does not equal a guaranteed fit at every agency that hires from the register. The qualities/skills that OPM prioritized are unlikely to be the same as those used by the individual agencies which must consider their own missions.
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Post by hooligan on Nov 15, 2008 13:44:11 GMT -5
Patriot's Fan: There is nothing to be gained by getting upset with pm. He made a constructive observation that actually might help you understand the process.
ODAR management does not like ALJs as a general matter. They want them to be passive and compliant and neither argue nor present problems.
This naturally sets up a dilemma because many high functioning attorneys are opinionated and confrontational. The Agency does not want to bring strong willed individuals into the fold. The characteristics that make a good trial attorney are not deemed desirable.
I have no idea whether this was actually a factor in your case. Obviously, I was not there. However, if your score is high and your willingness to relocate is reasonably broad, you should ultimately be selected. On the other hand, if you are easily frustrated and can not abide by a degree of management ineptitude, the fit may not be a good one for you. It will be made painfully apparent that you do not run the show.
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Post by jcse on Jan 13, 2009 19:49:18 GMT -5
All ODAR cares about is numbers, numbers, numbers..Oh, and one more thing, numbers. The worst sin that ODAR management can commit is to hire an ALJ that doesn't produce.
I am sure they also have ways of finding out if you are a team player and/or if you have a personality disorder. But once you become an ALJ for ODAR, you will be on the hotseat for numbers for the rest of your days..
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Post by jagghagg on Jan 13, 2009 20:38:55 GMT -5
Oooooh, NUMBERS!!!!!   |
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Post by globalpanda on Jan 13, 2009 22:45:59 GMT -5
PM said: "The truth is that once you get to the ODAR interview stage, most people are chosen simply because the interviewers like them. No politics involved. If you don't interview well, if you can't carry on a simple conversation without dredging up political issues or you don't come across as being very sharp, you won't be hired."Thanks for clarifying that PM. I guess I'm a lousy interview or not very sharp. Its a wonder I have made it so far in both the public and private sectors with so little qualifications. And boy did OPM screw-up that scoring system that placed me so high. You are so right, I should never have denounced the Bush administration in my interview, or made fun of the ALJ's speech impediment and toupee. Thank God they were able to weed out us morons in the interview. In the future, pm, if I want your advice I'll ask for it privately. Otherwise, please assume that my posts are not for your attention and act accordingly. I have yet to read anything constructive from you on this board. And by the way, drop by Target and get yourself a sense of humor for Christmas. Its in the Personality Disorder aisle across from arrogant and a$#hole. Good grief. Mmmmm, I thought the sense of humor was much cheaper at WalMart, where it is located right next to snarky. |
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Post by zero on Jan 14, 2009 10:57:59 GMT -5
PM said: "The truth is that once you get to the ODAR interview stage, most people are chosen simply because the interviewers like them. No politics involved. If you don't interview well, if you can't carry on a simple conversation without dredging up political issues or you don't come across as being very sharp, you won't be hired."Thanks for clarifying that PM. I guess I'm a lousy interview or not very sharp. Its a wonder I have made it so far in both the public and private sectors with so little qualifications. And boy did OPM screw-up that scoring system that placed me so high. You are so right, I should never have denounced the Bush administration in my interview, or made fun of the ALJ's speech impediment and toupee. Thank God they were able to weed out us morons in the interview. In the future, pm, if I want your advice I'll ask for it privately. Otherwise, please assume that my posts are not for your attention and act accordingly. I have yet to read anything constructive from you on this board. And by the way, drop by Target and get yourself a sense of humor for Christmas. Its in the Personality Disorder aisle across from arrogant and a$#hole. Good grief. PF: I got a lot of remarks like this when I first got rejected in 2007. Some of these peopel can be really mean |
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