|
|
Post by zero on Jan 26, 2009 9:55:00 GMT -5
Okay, I've read about the score announcements and I've heard that will come in the March/April timeframe. I have also read that if you are picked by SSA, it will fly you out to DC for an interview (at government expense).
I'm pretty foggy beyond that. Somebody mentioned that SSA might ask for more references from judges or adverse attorneys. Is that true? Also, one of my references has died since I put in the original application (a miracle that it hasn't been more considering how long this takes). What happens then?
|
|
|
|
Post by chieftain on Jan 26, 2009 10:16:12 GMT -5
If you put on a cert for SSA they will fly you to DC for an interview at agency expense if you had not been interviewed before. When you are notified that you made a cert, SSA will also send some additional forms in which additional references will be requested, including judges and adversary counsel.
With respect to the reference who died, you are probably referring to one of the verifiers that you included with your OPM application. To my knowledge, no one was contacted in that capacity for the last couple go-rounds.
Of course all of the above could be different this time, too. . .
|
|
|
|
Post by zero on Jan 26, 2009 10:47:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the response chief. Do they accept AJs as "judge" references? If not, I'm going to have to reach pretty far back into my past to find some black robes. What happens if you can't dig up these references? Does it cripple or merely wound your application?
|
|
|
|
Post by chieftain on Jan 26, 2009 10:49:19 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain ALJ references count as judicial references for this purpose.
|
|
|
|
Post by buckeye on Jan 26, 2009 11:28:48 GMT -5
I used ALJs for all my judicial references...no problem.
|
|
|
|
Post by flannery on Jan 27, 2009 11:25:12 GMT -5
Do you have to have references for adverse attorneys or attorneys you litigated against? Someone said they got asked for three categories of reference--judges, adverse attorneys, personal. Those of you who have gone through the process, could you please weigh in on this--is adverse attorneys a required category? My litigation experience is over 15 years ago--I'm not sure I can come up with anyone who fits this description.
|
|
|
|
Post by southerner on Jan 27, 2009 12:12:52 GMT -5
Adverse attorneys were not included in mine--I used 4 attorneys that were friends/colleagues.
For judges, 2 were USDC, 1 Acting RCALJ, and 1 HOCALJ.
|
|
|
|
Post by carjack on Jan 27, 2009 12:37:55 GMT -5
I went through the process last year and did have to name 3 adverse attorneys, three judges, and three colleagues.
|
|
|
|
Post by judicature on Jan 27, 2009 19:44:41 GMT -5
I don't recall the adverse attorney requirement, but I have had a lot happen since then. I know that I did provide 9 references to SSA, however, and three of them were judges...all were contacted.
Be careful to list folks who really know you and who are aware that they will be contacted; I heard that some candidates got knocked out by their own references.
|
|
|
|
Post by carjack on Jan 28, 2009 15:19:56 GMT -5
Yeah, it was mildly uncomfortable calling three opponents and talking about plans and aspirations and by the way can you be a reference? I thought one guy was really gonna blow a gasket (and for all I know he unloaded on me with the reference checker) because our case was very contentious. I know also that all three judges and the other three references were contacted. I'm glad that part is over, especially since one of the judges has since been indicted.
|
|
|
|
Post by privateatty on Jan 28, 2009 15:46:18 GMT -5
Yes, the hardest part is asking three opposing attorneys. Not only do you not want them in your business, but they tend to see this as a sign that you're not doing so well, even though that may not be true.
This part of the application process is a referendum on how you have conducted yourself in a very contentious business. All of us know attorneys who could never get past this stage. You know, like you're at a Conference, and he or she walks up and everybody is silent?
|
|
|
|
Post by pm on Jan 28, 2009 20:49:15 GMT -5
Depending upon the type of practice you have, it may be difficult for some to obtain 3 references from judges or from opposing counsel.
|
|
|
|
Post by decadealj on Jan 29, 2009 13:20:53 GMT -5
Be grateful folks- in the "old" days you had to list your 10 most significant cases (I think it helped if it was reported), the reason why the case was significant,the judge and opposing counsel's name, address and phone #. Alot of us held our breath!
|
|
|
|
Post by nonamouse on Jan 29, 2009 14:48:43 GMT -5
If you don't have 3 opposing counsel that you can list, it is fine to substitute other attorneys who are familiar with your work. I only used one actual opposing counsel who I happened to see at a CLE a couple of months before it came up. There was no issue raised by my use of 2 other attorneys who were past coworkers.
|
|
