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Post by carrickfergus on Jan 27, 2010 14:14:09 GMT -5
I've created a poll in the polling place. For those who made the most recent cert, would you kindly post your NOR score, rounded down to nearest whole number.
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Post by newbee on Jan 27, 2010 21:46:46 GMT -5
But aren't these numbers kind of useless since SSA uses their own scores derived from the interviews; or at least that is what I have seen poster here!
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Post by privateatty on Jan 28, 2010 18:35:40 GMT -5
But aren't these numbers kind of useless since SSA uses their own scores derived from the interviews; or at least that is what I have seen poster here! True. Yeah, but if you get a score in the 80's or 90's another Agency might pick you up.
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Post by lawmaker on Jan 28, 2010 20:10:11 GMT -5
Yeah, but if you get a score in the 80's or 90's another Agency might pick you up. Not on this cert. The agency has to pull its own cert.
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Post by privateatty on Jan 28, 2010 20:41:02 GMT -5
Yeah, but if you get a score in the 80's or 90's another Agency might pick you up. Not on this cert. The agency has to pull its own cert. Yes, of course. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by newbee on Jan 28, 2010 22:12:49 GMT -5
I think those "other agencies" lurking out there waiting to grab us may be a big myth! ;D Do we know how they decide which location to look at first, second, etc. Do they go by region, alphabetically, put all the location names on little pieces of paper and pull them randomly from a hat, or what? ??
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Post by valkyrie on Jan 29, 2010 7:19:38 GMT -5
I think those "other agencies" lurking out there waiting to grab us may be a big myth! ;D Do we know how they decide which location to look at first, second, etc. Do they go by region, alphabetically, put all the location names on little pieces of paper and pull them randomly from a hat, or what? ?? Unlike SSA, the other agencies have very few ALJs and therefore only hire at most maybe five at a time, but generally only two or three. Therefore a cert of only six to fifteeen is not well-represented on this site for discussion purposes.
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Post by ruonthelist on Jan 29, 2010 7:49:57 GMT -5
I think those "other agencies" lurking out there waiting to grab us may be a big myth! ;D Do we know how they decide which location to look at first, second, etc. Do they go by region, alphabetically, put all the location names on little pieces of paper and pull them randomly from a hat, or what? ?? The other agencies don't hire in classes like SSA. For one thing, they have far fewer ALJs than does SSA. Also, most of the other agencies have all of their judges in DC, so shuffling locations about is not a part of their process. Anecdotally, I know of 5 ALJs hired from the cert since the exam was reopened, although there may be more that I don't know. Of those 5, 4 are stationed in DC. Medicare, NLRB, and Labor are the non-SSA agencies with the largest number of outside the Beltway ALJ slots. When they have a vacancy in one of their branch offices they tend to hire for that one slot. The only time in recent history that anyone other than SSA has hired a large group of judges at once was when OMHA was established about 5 years ago. They had to set up a new agency with approx 50 ALJs in a short period of time. They hired sitting judges and hired from the cert, and did a lot of hiring. However, after that big push to establish an ALJ corps from scratch they have been like the other agencies--hiring mostly to replace attrition or perhaps to grow modestly.
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Post by backtoeden on Jan 29, 2010 9:02:19 GMT -5
For those who have been hired by non-SSA agencies or know of those who have, do you get an email notification that your name was sent to the agency on a cert in the same way as SSA?
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Post by chinook on Jan 29, 2010 11:40:01 GMT -5
The number of other agencier that hire off the register in very small. Most of the hires seek ALJs with experience. As the chief judge at my agency told me "you need to go spend two years in Witchia (with SSA) then you can come back and be a real judge." (The words real judge were his not mine.) The problem with this approach is that with SSA picking a significant number of insiders it decreases the chances for individuals who re not SSA insiders to work through the system and become a judge in an agency other than SSA.
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Post by privateatty on Jan 29, 2010 11:41:31 GMT -5
For those who have been hired by non-SSA agencies or know of those who have, do you get an email notification that your name was sent to the agency on a cert in the same way as SSA? ruonthelist is right on the $. I was on a cert for another Agency and never knew it until they called me to interview. For some strange reason they hired me...
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Post by tricia on Jan 29, 2010 11:42:11 GMT -5
Newbee said: "I think those "other agencies" lurking out there waiting to grab us may be a big myth!" But this is how Patriots Fan got hired. What does this tell us? Maybe "angy with SSA" is one of the factors they are searching for.
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Post by privateatty on Jan 29, 2010 11:48:51 GMT -5
Newbee said: "I think those "other agencies" lurking out there waiting to grab us may be a big myth!" But this is how Patriots Fan got hired. What does this tell us? Maybe "angy with SSA" is one of the factors they are searching for. No one really cares about this Board except SSA. Pixie, ALJDisc, 'drone, etc. etc. are all SSA. Its a "What, who gives a sh_t" everywhere else. Once you are an ALJ you have the APA.
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Post by newbee on Jan 29, 2010 12:26:48 GMT -5
So I still remained puzzled, but maybe there is no answer. How do they decide which location to look at first, second, etc. If I am up for 10 locations, do they go down the list alphabetically, by region, draw names of locations out of a hat, or any ideas?
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Post by Propmaster on Jan 29, 2010 13:04:50 GMT -5
So I still remained puzzled, but maybe there is no answer. How do they decide which location to look at first, second, etc. If I am up for 10 locations, do they go down the list alphabetically, by region, draw names of locations out of a hat, or any ideas? I'll try to answer this question quickly to prevent it degenerating into discussion. There is no official answer to this, as there is no rule governing it and SSA has not publicized its methodology. SSA can consider the openings in whatever order it wants within the cert(ificate). It has been theorized that it is likely that SSA experiments with a few variations before deciding, in order to see what results it would obtain. Some members of the board have explained elsewhere that this procedure can allow SSA to "manipulate" the results - and in fact there are allegations elsewhere on the board that manipulation of the order in which the slots are considered is paramount for SSA achieving its goal of hiring the people it wants to hire (you can also find discussion elsewhere of whether this is immoral and/or illegal). Some others on the board maintain that SSA is lass calculating in its decision about which slots to review first. In my opinion, the evidence indicates fairly clearly that SSA does not follow a logical (e.g. regional, alphabetical, number of open slots) order of slot consideration. However; its motives I leave to the individual to make up his or her mind, without rehashing this issue here.
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Post by privateatty on Jan 29, 2010 13:21:22 GMT -5
So I still remained puzzled, but maybe there is no answer. How do they decide which location to look at first, second, etc. If I am up for 10 locations, do they go down the list alphabetically, by region, draw names of locations out of a hat, or any ideas? I'll try to answer this question quickly to prevent it degenerating into discussion. There is no official answer to this, as there is no rule governing it and SSA has not publicized its methodology. SSA can consider the openings in whatever order it wants within the cert(ificate). It has been theorized that it is likely that SSA experiments with a few variations before deciding, in order to see what results it would obtain. Some members of the board have explained elsewhere that this procedure can allow SSA to "manipulate" the results - and in fact there are allegations elsewhere on the board that manipulation of the order in which the slots are considered is paramount for SSA achieving its goal of hiring the people it wants to hire (you can also find discussion elsewhere of whether this is immoral and/or illegal). Some others on the board maintain that SSA is lass calculating in its decision about which slots to review first. In my opinion, the evidence indicates fairly clearly that SSA does not follow a logical (e.g. regional, alphabetical, number of open slots) order of slot consideration. However; its motives I leave to the individual to make up his or her mind, without rehashing this issue here. A judicial response. But the clear evidence is that what is foremost (and the only real consideration) is whom they are hiring, period. And they do that with a large hire and a large (3x plus) cert. They proved that by asking OPM for a "refresh" of the application pool to increase the body count in anticipation for their next cert. They all but admitted that.
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Post by Propmaster on Jan 29, 2010 13:26:21 GMT -5
Thank you for the compliment. I might quote you at my SI (assuming I get one)
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Post by privateatty on Jan 29, 2010 16:19:47 GMT -5
Here's a question that I don't think has been asked and answered: It seems from what I've been reading, there is only one SSA interview even if you're on more than one cert (I've only been on one cert). Does that also hold true if you re-take the exam and get a higher score (you might make the cert but don't get another interview)? Just wondering. Thanks. Ladywordsmith They only interview you once. No matter how many certs or how many times you take the exam (at least this is true since 2007).
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Post by lawmaker on Jan 29, 2010 19:12:27 GMT -5
Here's a question that I don't think has been asked and answered: It seems from what I've been reading, there is only one SSA interview even if you're on more than one cert (I've only been on one cert). Does that also hold true if you re-take the exam and get a higher score (you might make the cert but don't get another interview)? Just wondering. Thanks. Ladywordsmith They only interview you once. No matter how many certs or how many times you take the exam (at least this is true since 2007). I may be misremembering, but I thought I remembered a small handful of vets who took the opm test a second time (after the 07 test) and were permitted a second interview w ssa. My anecdotal evidence could be wrong. However, since the 07 opm test, this recent Oct 09 test is the first time anyone became eligible for an opm retest (save the vets) It seems to me that a retest by opm results in a different score and that makes you a new entity on the register does it not. Doesn't that mean that SSA will reinterview because the entity is now a different entity with a different personnel/NR/experience profile? I guess we won't know til the next cert, based on whether new and higher scores are achieved by those who tested in 07
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Post by privateatty on Jan 30, 2010 9:47:49 GMT -5
They only interview you once. No matter how many certs or how many times you take the exam (at least this is true since 2007). I may be misremembering, but I thought I remembered a small handful of vets who took the opm test a second time (after the 07 test) and were permitted a second interview w ssa. My anecdotal evidence could be wrong. However, since the 07 opm test, this recent Oct 09 test is the first time anyone became eligible for an opm retest (save the vets) It seems to me that a retest by opm results in a different score and that makes you a new entity on the register does it not. Doesn't that mean that SSA will reinterview because the entity is now a different entity with a different personnel/NR/experience profile? I guess we won't know til the next cert, based on whether new and higher scores are achieved by those who tested in 07 SSA pays for you to come out for the interview. Since '07 when I became glued to this Board, there have been past discussions on this issue. The postings have been uniform: one interview with SSA (even if you take the WD and SI twice like I did). No one has posted that they interviewed twice with SSA. Has it ever happened? Anything is possible with the Puzzle Palace. But I suspect that it rarely, if ever, has.
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