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Post by privateatty on May 13, 2010 7:22:21 GMT -5
Make sure you know what the reference is going to say before he or she gets the call. Using your gut--or put another way, woman's intuition, would help. Don't be tentative, be clear about what you need--and why. Schmooze.
OMNI investigators will make the call, not lawyers or Judges. They will have a check list. No equivocation from the reference and no as was said above, "faint praise".
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Post by ladyatlaw on May 13, 2010 9:05:03 GMT -5
Waiting2exhale, you wrote: they contact the nine references that you list after you are invited to the final interview. the references that you listed in your initial application will not be contacted unless you have listed them again in the advent of the final interview. the references are as follows: 3 Judges, 3 Attorneys and 3 Others, which can be either personal or professional references. Best wishes!
As odd as it may seem, I do not know 3 judges. What am I to do?
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Post by Well on May 13, 2010 9:15:28 GMT -5
Retired judges count as judges? I practiced heavily before a judge who has since retired from the bench.
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Post by counsel on May 13, 2010 10:33:47 GMT -5
Retired judges count as judges? I practiced heavily before a judge who has since retired from the bench. I used a retired Judge and was hired, so my guess is yes. Also, I know my interview at SSA made a big difference. So, be prepared. Good luck everyone!
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Post by carrickfergus on May 13, 2010 10:36:23 GMT -5
ladyatlaw: I was in the same boat. I just explained on my refernece sheet that I was listing people who would attest to the character traits identified on the reference list, but that, because I was an adjudicator, I didn't practice before judges or have opposing counsel. It seemed to work out OK, as I got the call.
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Post by 71stretch on May 13, 2010 10:44:59 GMT -5
ladyatlaw: I was in the same boat. I just explained on my refernece sheet that I was listing people who would attest to the character traits identified on the reference list, but that, because I was an adjudicator, I didn't practice before judges or have opposing counsel. It seemed to work out OK, as I got the call. I imagine I'll be in a similar boat if I get to that point. Giving my choices some thought, just in case. Carrickfergus-- if you are required to list some lawyers and some judges (I read that here somewhere), did the people you listed still fall in those categories, even if you didn't appear before them or litigate with them?
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Post by parantz on May 22, 2010 15:53:18 GMT -5
I am a longtime lurker who has never posted and I truly thank all the posters on this board for such great information. Regarding the list of references, if a person makes the cert, does anyone know how long he/she has to provide the list of references to SSA after being notified of making the cert? Also, are we required to submit any written letters of recommendation (or something to that effect) or are the calls/emails to the references the only way the agency asks for references? Thanks.
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Post by barkley on May 22, 2010 16:41:47 GMT -5
I am a longtime lurker who has never posted and I truly thank all the posters on this board for such great information. Regarding the list of references, if a person makes the cert, does anyone know how long he/she has to provide the list of references to SSA after being notified of making the cert? Also, are we required to submit any written letters of recommendation (or something to that effect) or are the calls/emails to the references the only way the agency asks for references? Thanks. It was a fairly quick turn around. You'll have several pages to fill out with general information and as a part of that they asked for 9 references. They do not ask for letters of recommendation - just names, addresses, phone numbers, email.
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Post by privateatty on May 24, 2010 7:08:22 GMT -5
ladyatlaw: I was in the same boat. I just explained on my refernece sheet that I was listing people who would attest to the character traits identified on the reference list, but that, because I was an adjudicator, I didn't practice before judges or have opposing counsel. It seemed to work out OK, as I got the call. I imagine I'll be in a similar boat if I get to that point. Giving my choices some thought, just in case. Carrickfergus-- if you are required to list some lawyers and some judges (I read that here somewhere), did the people you listed still fall in those categories, even if you didn't appear before them or litigate with them? They have to be able to speak to your abilities, temperment and suitability, etc. There is no requirement that you have appeared before them.
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Post by 24kgoldengirl on May 24, 2010 12:22:21 GMT -5
Does it matter if the persons listed as "personal references" are also attorneys. Are they looking for non-attorneys here?
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Post by 71stretch on May 27, 2010 15:02:50 GMT -5
Does anyone have any insight into the questions that are asked of job history references, as opposed to the nine other references (Judge, attorney, personal)? I would imagine some of them are similar to what was posted at the top of this thread, but any more insight would be helpful.
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Post by unlisted on May 27, 2010 21:58:53 GMT -5
What happens if you can't get your references together in time? Can you still maybe be on the next cert? Or do you have no further hope with SSA?
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Post by carrickfergus on May 27, 2010 23:23:08 GMT -5
List references who will give you glowing reports; that's more important than whether they are judges or not. The questions that are asked of them can be found somewhere on other parts of this board.
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Post by Wolfiemom on May 29, 2010 10:27:36 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the references are contacted before or after the SSA interview? I guess they might want to weed out the candidates before taking the time to contact the references.
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Post by privateatty on May 29, 2010 10:59:03 GMT -5
List references who will give you glowing reports; that's more important than whether they are judges or not. The questions that are asked of them can be found somewhere on other parts of this board. This is excellent advice. You can be damned by faint praise.
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Post by Portulaca on May 30, 2010 15:11:05 GMT -5
Apologies if this has been asked and answered, but what are others doing about listing the current supervisor's contact info., if the current supervisor/employer doesn't know that the applicant is applying to be an ALJ? I know it says one can substitute a performance appraisal, but that is not a possibility in this case.
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Post by 71stretch on May 30, 2010 15:54:36 GMT -5
I'm telling my supervisor what's going on. I don't get performance appraisals any more either, so that isn't even an option, but I value my working relationship and friendship with my supervisor a great deal, and want to be up front with her about what I'm doing -- I can't imagine, if I were to be fortunate enough to get an offer, just walking in and telling her I was leaving with no warning.
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Post by Portulaca on May 30, 2010 15:58:50 GMT -5
Thanks, observer53. That's generally how I feel. I just would prefer that she not know I tried, if I don't get an offer. No way around that, I guess.
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Post by 71stretch on May 30, 2010 16:09:28 GMT -5
Thanks, observer53. That's generally how I feel. I just would prefer that she not know I tried, if I don't get an offer. No way around that, I guess. It's a rare opportunity for a really good, well-paying job. I think she would understand you or anyone else giving it a shot, whether you get it or not. And, if she would say glowing things about you, you NEED that information to get to SSA.
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Post by Well on May 30, 2010 18:07:56 GMT -5
I've done the walk in and announce departure thing and it's awful. I had interviewed for a job and never heard anything. I was hired for a great job and six months was offered the other position. My boss had gone out on a limb to hire me and I felt awful but it was too great of an opportunity. My boss was very understanding but I wonder what is going to happen when contacted.
My rule of thumb has always been it's not my bosses business when I apply but if we reach the point that I get an interview and there will be a refernce check it is time to go visit the boss.
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