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Post by 71stretch on Mar 6, 2014 17:30:36 GMT -5
Ace I wish it was a joke...I like many others can't wait to get my results even if just for the sick fascination to see how low I scored. I think its just a closure issue. That said someone one, some of us will be moving on to finer pastures....I have come to the conclusion that once results come out it will be anticlimactic since this board has become such a fun part of the whole process. Agree with this. I just want to know the score. I'm curious to see if, and if so how much, better I did this time than last. Whether I might ultimately be selected is a whole separate issue, and one I'n not spending any energy on at this point. The fire drill issue was pretty disruptive to those testing that day. I suspect that the camera issue, by contrast, was handled very quietly, and didn't interrupt the WD as much.
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Post by lildavey on Mar 6, 2014 17:35:56 GMT -5
I wonder if some calls from Congressional staffers might shake out an explanation from OPM about WTF is the holdup?
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Post by JudgeRatty on Mar 6, 2014 18:15:12 GMT -5
Ok folks here's the deal....I am only sharing waht I have been told. Of course I have taken some dramatic license in order to protect the identity of the innocent. For example, there is a mathematical formula....I am not privy to it....but one exists.....Certain date in the future....there is a certain date based on that formula that has been given...I have not been given that date becuase my pay grade doesn't go that high...but the month is right....computer problems....are real very real...and has OPM in a tizzy becuase of the litigation that will most likely come about....that is all I can say...Ask yourself....why the change in status in December and no results? Is that logical? An 88 is an 88 no matter when it is released. IT leaves only a few possibilities they just don't want to release the scores, the validity of the scores are in questions, or all tests have not been scored. I was given this annecdote from a very frustrated person... they did not anticipate that...just like the affordable health system role out, they weren't expecting that... So the bottom line I take from this is that the May date given earlier was just an example, and not THE NOR release date....that you do not know since you are not privy to it. Right? SO, bottom line is that there is a glitch, they are working on it, and there is a date certain to have NORs released. That could be today or a month from now, no one knows (well no one here anyway). I think this does set the stage for possible problems, so let's all hope this gets resolved quickly!
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Post by JudgeRatty on Mar 6, 2014 19:11:52 GMT -5
There's always some kind of glitch. I don't think that there is anything particularly catastrophic with this testing. OPM knows there will be lawsuits one way or another. Anyone who has ever applied for a government job knows that the waiting is the hardest part. A year to fill a post? Nothing. I totally agree and I have said before it has only been 2 full months since the last testing. To me that is hardly a delay with which to be concerned given the furlough, weather, etc. I am sure OPM is working as fast as they can to get the register in place. Glitch or not it will all work out.
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Post by bartleby on Mar 6, 2014 19:59:34 GMT -5
The latest in management call down today, "SSA still doesn’t have a new register from OPM, so hiring of ALJs this fiscal year is being delayed. While ALJ hiring this year isn’t ruled out, it won’t happen immediately."
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Post by lildavey on Mar 6, 2014 20:13:28 GMT -5
The latest in management call down today, "SSA still doesn’t have a new register from OPM, so hiring of ALJs this fiscal year is being delayed. While ALJ hiring this year isn’t ruled out, it won’t happen immediately." That's so depressing.
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Post by BagLady on Mar 6, 2014 20:25:31 GMT -5
The latest in management call down today, "SSA still doesn’t have a new register from OPM, so hiring of ALJs this fiscal year is being delayed. While ALJ hiring this year isn’t ruled out, it won’t happen immediately." Head hits desk. Again. Expectations reset to the 12th. Of never.
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Mar 6, 2014 22:18:32 GMT -5
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Post by sxsw on Mar 7, 2014 0:18:52 GMT -5
Well played, sandiferhands.
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Post by gunner on Mar 7, 2014 2:05:31 GMT -5
Ok folks here's the deal....I am only sharing waht I have been told. Of course I have taken some dramatic license in order to protect the identity of the innocent. For example, there is a mathematical formula....I am not privy to it....but one exists.....Certain date in the future....there is a certain date based on that formula that has been given...I have not been given that date becuase my pay grade doesn't go that high...but the month is right....computer problems....are real very real...and has OPM in a tizzy becuase of the litigation that will most likely come about....that is all I can say...Ask yourself.... why the change in status in December and no results? Is that logical? An 88 is an 88 no matter when it is released. IT leaves only a few possibilities they just don't want to release the scores, the validity of the scores are in questions, or all tests have not been scored. I was given this annecdote from a very frustrated person... they did not anticipate that...just like the affordable health system role out, they weren't expecting that... I believe this was my hypothesis in early January - that some last minute thing called into question the scores. Like why 30% dumped on WD/SI? That can't be right. Oh wait, it isn't.
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Post by pubdef on Mar 7, 2014 7:03:56 GMT -5
I believe this was my hypothesis in early January - that some last minute thing called into question the scores. Like why 30% dumped on WD/SI? That can't be right. Oh wait, it isn't. I was trying to remember who first came up with this hypothesis, and my guess was it was you. Some seemed to think you were just too confident but the hypothesis seemed plausible. It only became more plausible with the longer wait. So there are only about three explanations that seem to have any traction. One, which was recently stated again, is that OPM is just working on it, no problems it just takes time. Another is that there was a problem (either the problem Sith has stated or maybe something with the new logic test) and OPM is working on fixing it. And the final theory is that OPM is under some control for releasing scores by SSA. I have never believed that one government agency would slow down their performance measures to wait for another agency to be ready. At this point, I think most of us are thinking this third option isn't what happened with the scores this year. SSA wants to hire and are waiting on the register. They sent an email to ALJs about training this year and now they might have to delay it. That doesn't sound like OPM was just laying in wait for SSA to signal for scores to be released. OPM just working without any problems also doesn't make much sense. Someone recently said it hasn't been that long of a wait because there was some testing in December. As has already been said, there was very limited testing in December. People have adequately argued that scoring the logic part is just running through a scantron, scoring the SI is done immediately after the interview, and the WD can be scored very quickly. That added with that fact that shortly after the last group in December we saw a status change indicates all the scoring was done. That leads us with a glitch in the system. OPM must have thought they were done and then realized something was very wrong. Whether it is grammar/spelling or a wrong distribution, I don't know. But something seems to have happened that is taking OPM a little bit of time to fix. Hopefully results won't take until May. At least I have a job I love and don't mind waiting. The wait is just giving us all more time to have new experiences to talk about if we do well enough to make it on the register and to be selected for a cert.
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Post by funkyodar on Mar 7, 2014 8:03:17 GMT -5
Excellent perspective on the wait pubdef. Great post.
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Post by Gaidin on Mar 7, 2014 9:25:25 GMT -5
Hopefully results won't take until May. At least I have a job I love and don't mind waiting. The wait is just giving us all more time to have new experiences to talk about if we do well enough to make it on the register and to be selected for a cert. Great post. Especially this last part. One thing that makes all of this a bit more palatable to me is that the longer this process grows the more likely it is that people will self select out for various reasons and that means that everybody who finishes the race may have a slightly better shot at the job.
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Post by Loopstok on Mar 7, 2014 9:40:30 GMT -5
I can certainly believe a glitch such as the one described could flumox a bureacracy. My question is how such a glitch could even happen from a technology standpoint. I mean, if I recall correctly, it would be impossible for the disk I personally wrote my name and indentifying info on, then personally saved my essay to, then saw it placed in a computer and my essay be printed from it, to somehow contain not my essay but the work of someone else. Or am I misreading the glitch that's been reported? All that said, a glitch of some sort in the process certainly explains the high number of see detailers. But something like this did happen during the week I was in DC for testing in August. One of the exam-takers in my room, at the end of the WD, reported that 2 exams had been burned to their disc -- their own WD, and the WD of the person who had used that computer previously. Which means that someone in tech, didn't properly wipe the laptop in between exams... I've often wondered about this in the past six seven months since returning home from DC. Is it a testing-process-integrity concern, when something like that happens? Were other laptops not properly wiped of previous WDs? And now, with the hidden-camera story that's also being reported, one wonders if there are still concerns about the testing process. Although, honestly, I'd prefer to think that, there were no glitches and there is no reason for paranoia... and that the real answer is, it's taking forever to release the scores ... just because. With no explanation rooted in the sinister or the less-than-competent.
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Post by aqua96 on Mar 7, 2014 9:41:32 GMT -5
Hopefully results won't take until May. At least I have a job I love and don't mind waiting. The wait is just giving us all more time to have new experiences to talk about if we do well enough to make it on the register and to be selected for a cert. Great post. Especially this last part. One thing that makes all of this a bit more palatable to me is that the longer this process grows the more likely it is that people will self select out for various reasons and that means that everybody who finishes the race may have a slightly better shot at the job. I agree. I actually feel a bit relieved for now and would like to thank Sith for the information about the delay. It's nice to finally not have the anticipation of "maybe this will be the day?!" for months on end. And now that SSA is ready for a cert, maybe the added pressure will help move things along faster. OMHA will probably be ready for a cert this summer as well. I am guessing that May is a worst case scenario, because they (OPM) don't want to make promises they can't keep at this point. But if it's May - fine - I'd rather them take the time and make things right. For now, spring is in the air, and the next 2 months are going to fly by.
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Post by westernalj on Mar 7, 2014 10:21:35 GMT -5
I believe the hidden camera story was provided as an explanation for the high security in the room. I don't think it happened during our testing.
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Mar 7, 2014 10:34:38 GMT -5
I wonder if some calls from Congressional staffers might shake out an explanation from OPM about WTF is the holdup? I, too, wonder "Whether Technical Fault" is the holdup.
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Post by ehjd on Mar 7, 2014 11:36:43 GMT -5
I can certainly believe a glitch such as the one described could flumox a bureacracy. My question is how such a glitch could even happen from a technology standpoint. I mean, if I recall correctly, it would be impossible for the disk I personally wrote my name and indentifying info on, then personally saved my essay to, then saw it placed in a computer and my essay be printed from it, to somehow contain not my essay but the work of someone else. Or am I misreading the glitch that's been reported? All that said, a glitch of some sort in the process certainly explains the high number of see detailers. But something like this did happen during the week I was in DC for testing in August. One of the exam-takers in my room, at the end of the WD, reported that 2 exams had been burned to their disc -- their own WD, and the WD of the person who had used that computer previously. Which means that someone in tech, didn't properly wipe the laptop in between exams... I've often wondered about this in the past six seven months since returning home from DC. Is it a testing-process-integrity concern, when something like that happens? Were other laptops not properly wiped of previous WDs? And now, with the hidden-camera story that's also being reported, one wonders if there are still concerns about the testing process. Although, honestly, I'd prefer to think that, there were no glitches and there is no reason for paranoia... and that the real answer is, it's taking forever to release the scores ... just because. With no explanation rooted in the sinister or the less-than-competent.
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Post by ehjd on Mar 7, 2014 11:41:03 GMT -5
Loopstoks issue was similarly raised during my test taking in that there appeared to be another WD on the computer. If this happened infrequently enough that could account for @30% still SD. Could also mesh with the Siths report.
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Post by dwNOT2balj on Mar 7, 2014 12:39:58 GMT -5
Similar to ehjd and Loopstoks, some of our computers (the day after the fire drill by the way) still had other people's work on them. We were specifically instructed to look for and erase it by the proctor. I remember being completely paranoid about it.
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