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Post by beenlurking on Mar 18, 2014 20:59:36 GMT -5
Yes, Observer, no one knows this time around. Even those that have made it through that I know do not have a clue to this new application process and can only provide limited advice/knowledge. That is why I decided to stop my lurking and join this board
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Post by tinkerbell on Mar 18, 2014 21:58:30 GMT -5
Got mine. There does seem to be an error in it in that when it gets to the category about bar licensure, it talks about candidates who have that issue as well as WD and/or SI issues, as if there is no category for those who were told they ONLY had a licensure issue. I think that number 4 might be included to specifically address the late bar licensure DQ. Why they threw in the language about the WD and SI is beyond me. It is the only category that states "upon further review." Funky, I won't be appealing. While it helps that you would remain on the register during the appeal (for those who got scores), I'm too afraid that my score would be decreased. And how long would an appeal of a score take? If it's over a year, they might already be on a second or third cert and one could conceivably have already gotten their ticket to the big dance.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Mar 18, 2014 22:16:29 GMT -5
I got mine about 2 hours ago - I have a score. I have no intention of appealing at this time.
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Post by 71stretch on Mar 18, 2014 22:27:58 GMT -5
Not going to do it (appeal my score) Wouldn't be prudent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 22:37:54 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, anyone with a score planning to appeal in hope of doing better? Not me, funk. A little disappointed in my score, but, heck, at least I got a score. I'm just gonna play the hand I was dealt.
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Post by FlaTreeFarm on Mar 18, 2014 23:03:55 GMT -5
I concur with the apparent consensus. This is like blackjack: some hands may not be great, but at a certain point, the odds are best if you stand pat!
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Post by minny on Mar 19, 2014 8:14:26 GMT -5
Agreed! However, while there is a right to appeal, that does not mean there is a legitimate basis to do so. It would seem difficult to argue your written demo score is higher that scored. Unless, the actually re-read and re-score them based on a appeal. I suppose you try to argue it was better written that it was given credit for? ?? My understanding from reading the appeal rights email is that they go back to the beginning and re-score everything. It states: "If you appeal your final numerical rating, you will be appealing your whole score. Accordingly, every part of the examination will be reviewed (i.e., Preliminary Qualifications, Online Component, Proctored Component and Structured Interview). "
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Post by minny on Mar 19, 2014 8:17:37 GMT -5
Got mine as well. Like observer I thought it was less than clear on the issue of licensure. Also, upon first reading, thought it was odd they list the actions that can be taken by the panel as including changing eligible to ineligible but didn't say the opposite, ineligible to eligible. But I guess "eligible" means on the register and that possibility is included in the "remand for further" language. Just out of curiosity, anyone with a score planning to appeal in hope of doing better? As my score is alightly better than I expected and because I'm averse to the risk of it getting lowered, I definitely won't. Haven't read much in regard to people doing that in the past or sucess rates though. My thoughts, too. It would be my luck to fall further down in the standings and I can live with the one I got even though I wish it was higher.
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Post by mindthegap on Mar 19, 2014 8:53:41 GMT -5
Got a score and not planning on appealing.
As a cute aside, my five-year old was in my lap while I was looking at the board last night. Her exact quote was "Daddy, you are looking at funny faces." In other words, the board is five-year old approved. Thanks to all for keeping things funny, informative, and occasionally funky.
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Post by leo68 on Mar 19, 2014 8:55:21 GMT -5
This was exactly the point I contacted you about yesterday. I hope it is just an error. I have filed my appeal complete with a letter from my bar so I am waiting with baited breath to see what happens.
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Post by leo68 on Mar 19, 2014 8:58:14 GMT -5
This was exactly the point I contacted you about yesterday. I hope it is just an error. I have filed my appeal complete with a letter from my bar so I am waiting with baited breath to see what happens. Sorry guys, this message was intended for Observer53 in response to his observation that there appears to be an error in the "category 4" appeal instructions. My bad.
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Post by Gaidin on Mar 19, 2014 9:03:11 GMT -5
Got a score. I will not appeal it.
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Post by sealaw90 on Mar 19, 2014 9:32:51 GMT -5
Got a score and not planning on appealing. As a cute aside, my five-year old was in my lap while I was looking at the board last night. Her exact quote was "Daddy, you are looking at funny faces." In other words, the board is five-year old approved. Thanks to all for keeping things funny, informative, and occasionally funky. Is this why acemignight changed his picture?? The 5 year old crowd didn't approve of his avatar?
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Post by brpesq on Mar 19, 2014 10:16:41 GMT -5
My NOR (I didn't get past phase 2 last year) only says my score for the SJT, Experience, and Essay didn't meet the required score.... so, there is no actual number to look at. Does anyone else have the same NOR? I would like to appeal but with such limited information, it seems futile. Any advice is appreciated.
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Post by imfrom212 on Mar 19, 2014 10:29:41 GMT -5
My NOR (I didn't get past phase 2 last year) only says my score for the SJT, Experience, and Essay didn't meet the required score.... so, there is no actual number to look at. Does anyone else have the same NOR? I would like to appeal but with such limited information, it seems futile. Any advice is appreciated. I'm in the same boat as you brpesq. The thought of appealing on a Phase two disqualification does seem futile. Someone very close to me appealed back in 2007 after a phase one dump because the announcement was released to SSA one day before the general public. He argued that agency employees got an unfair advantage since only the first 1,200 applications were accepted. He won his appeal and went through the rest of the process. However, we don't have that issue this time, so I'm at a loss as to how to approach the appeal.
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Post by 71stretch on Mar 19, 2014 11:26:07 GMT -5
This was exactly the point I contacted you about yesterday. I hope it is just an error. I have filed my appeal complete with a letter from my bar so I am waiting with baited breath to see what happens. Sorry guys, this message was intended for Observer53 in response to his observation that there appears to be an error in the "category 4" appeal instructions. My bad. When I got my email, I thought that's what your question might be. I think it's just an error in how that category was written.
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Post by brpesq on Mar 19, 2014 13:39:18 GMT -5
I don't know why we would be given an appeal opportunity if we don't know on what basis, other than the "not among the high scorers of the sub-group", on which to do so. We should at least have a score and know which aspect of phase 2 was the issue. In my case, I am confident in my experience and writing sample so I suspect it was the SJT simply because they knew what answers they were looking for. Unfortunately, it was only after I finished the SJT that I realized it was most likely a personality test. At the very least, I would like my score sheet so I know whether I have grounds for an appeal or not.
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Post by sealaw90 on Mar 19, 2014 14:40:49 GMT -5
For phase 2 pass overs, you really don't know if they even received your written assessment. Computers lie. I remember folks posting here back in May 2013 that they lost their entire writing sample with 2 minutes to go, etc. You may THINK they got it, but perhaps they didn't. You may THINK you selected "B" when you actually (clock ticking in background) selected "A". You really don't know.
This may not help you in deciding whether to appeal, and there may be something said for the shotgun, throw-everything-against-the-wall-see-if-it-sticks, approach. Or perhaps you can learn from this, study, be better prepared and wait for the next opening. If you are grasping at straws, then I can't possibly see how a Phase 2 appeal would work. However, if your kitty was sitting in your lap and suddenly vomited all over the keyboard while you were answering all the Phase 2 parts - heck, I'd ask for a re-do on that because you've got nothing to lose (just include picture of said destroyed keyboard) by appealing that!
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Post by luckylady2 on Mar 19, 2014 14:52:25 GMT -5
I think the point is that you have to appeal to find out what the score was on the early cullings. Redundant though it sounds, it seems that the ground for appeal would be the fact that you were cut early AND that you were given no further information.
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Post by funkyodar on Mar 19, 2014 15:21:39 GMT -5
Appealing a phase 1 cut seems simple enough. if cut there it was because they weren't convinced you had the prerequisites. I would assume an appeal would need to show you do. Maybe somewhat tricky as I dunno if they accept any new evidence or argument or if you can only rely upon what you previously submitted. Either way, seems like one should go thru the listed prerequisites and show how you proved those met in your initial assessment questionaire.
Appealing a phase 2 cut seems more tricky. They aren't saying what area of phase 2 was your downfall or even what the scores were. I doubt many were cut due to the writing sample as it appears to have just been to see if you could string together a thought without too many grammatical or spelling errors. The sjt would be hard to appeal I think. It was pretty objective. Maybe go after the test itself?
I'd bet most phase 2 cuts were based on the experience assessment. Someone who rated themselves a 5 but only proved a 2 sort of thing. Just like the phase 1 cuts, I'd think an appeal would have to focus on why your submission supports your self rating.
Without knowing your score, the cut off score or even what area they think you fell short its gonna be tuff.
Appealing a phase 3 cut may be even tougher. I think all you can do is essentially ask to be regraded on whichever component they said you lacked on.
Unless of course there is some verifiable occurrence you could pin a bad performance on. Like maybe a fire alarm during the test, a shooting at a federal facility just down the road, testing during a furlough, no clock in the SI room, a computer foul up or maybe a denied reasonable accomodation.
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