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Post by cheesy on Aug 13, 2014 9:42:35 GMT -5
Dumb question, but I've researched and not found the answer...
ALJ staffing levels. How can one find out the usual or historic staffing levels for offices? I know websites reflect current-day metrics of sitting judges, but that gives no indication of past staffing levels -- and thus whether there is room to grow in certain offices. Are they looking for one or 17 new judges in East Crapland? Inquiring minds want to know. Any tips or leads?
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Post by futuressaalj on Aug 13, 2014 10:06:04 GMT -5
Dumb question, but I've researched and not found the answer... ALJ staffing levels. How can one find out the usual or historic staffing levels for offices? I know websites reflect current-day metrics of sitting judges, but that gives no indication of past staffing levels -- and thus whether there is room to grow in certain offices. Are they looking for one or 17 new judges in East Crapland? Inquiring minds want to know. Any tips or leads? Cheesy, we used to get this information from insiders like Bartleby and others from time to time but the usual insiders have not been very active on the board. No other way to find out the info you are looking for unless you get information from a person in the know
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Post by hopefalj on Aug 13, 2014 10:33:45 GMT -5
Dumb question, but I've researched and not found the answer... ALJ staffing levels. How can one find out the usual or historic staffing levels for offices? I know websites reflect current-day metrics of sitting judges, but that gives no indication of past staffing levels -- and thus whether there is room to grow in certain offices. Are they looking for one or 17 new judges in East Crapland? Inquiring minds want to know. Any tips or leads? Cheesy, we used to get this information from insiders like Bartleby and others from time to time but the usual insiders have not been very active on the board. No other way to find out the info you are looking for unless you get information from a person in the know The other problem is that it's almost impossible to answer the question. VERY generally speaking, if a hearing office has an open office that meets the contractual parameters for an ALJ, that office has an opening. Unless you can get someone familiar with every hearing office or a collection of such folks, you're going to have a hard time identifying the number of ALJ spots available in certain locales. This also gets complicated when office shuffling occurs via the transfer list. Then, even if there are X number of openings in a certain office, it's not certain that ODAR going to fill every opening at that time. Given the limited number of hires that can be made off of each cert due to training room limitations, not every opening will be filled at once. On top of all that, I'm not entirely sure how the future model of centralized hearings is going to impact openings. Could there be more direct hires for NHCs in the future? It's been rumored by at least one current ALJ that this is going to happen. It's such a small, moving target that there is no real means to give a meaningful estimate. By the time all of the needed information is assembled by the multitude of sources needed to compile it, the whole thing is worthless due to changes caused by retirements and transfers.
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Post by redryder on Aug 13, 2014 11:21:35 GMT -5
It should not just be a question of an empty ALJ office. There has to be work for that ALJ to do. At one time, the thinking seemed to be that it did not matter when the ALJ was physically located because of electronic files and video hearings. To some extent that is still true with the NHC operations. However, some problems have occurred that have no solution. For example, the difference in time zones. This has affected the numbers of hearings a judge can schedule, and great flexibility on the part of the judge. Want to start hearings at 9:OO AM EST and ALJ is in MST, ALJ has to ready to start at 7 AM in his time zone. To start at 9:00 AM MST with ALJ in EST, the ALJ starts hearings at 11 AM in his time zone. Consequently, if the case receipts are not there for an office or even a region, there may be no or fewer hires there despite the presence of empty ALJ offices.
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Post by witty on Aug 13, 2014 11:31:51 GMT -5
It should not just be a question of an empty ALJ office. There has to be work for that ALJ to do. At one time, the thinking seemed to be that it did not matter when the ALJ was physically located because of electronic files and video hearings. To some extent that is still true with the NHC operations. However, some problems have occurred that have no solution. For example, the difference in time zones. This has affected the numbers of hearings a judge can schedule, and great flexibility on the part of the judge. Want to start hearings at 9:OO AM EST and ALJ is in MST, ALJ has to ready to start at 7 AM in his time zone. To start at 9:00 AM MST with ALJ in EST, the ALJ starts hearings at 11 AM in his time zone. Consequently, if the case receipts are not there for an office or even a region, there may be no or fewer hires there despite the presence of empty ALJ offices. Were new hire office assignments for this first 2014 cert made based upon the offices with more case receipts or larger than desired hearing backlogs? What offices have more case receipts or larger than desired hearing backlogs?
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Post by prescient on Aug 13, 2014 13:09:26 GMT -5
I'd like to add another wrinkle to guessing which offices are going to hire. I work in an office that was not on the current cert. But it was on the previous 2 certs. You would think, that for an office to be on the cert, it should have an open office at the time the cert was pulled, no? Well we didn't. Now, this isn't the case where there had been an opening, but it was filled by a transfer. Nope. There was never any opening, nor any available office to expand the # of ALJs. Yet for 2 consecutive certs, the office was listed. Weird.
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Post by anotherfed on Aug 13, 2014 13:40:54 GMT -5
It should not just be a question of an empty ALJ office. There has to be work for that ALJ to do. At one time, the thinking seemed to be that it did not matter when the ALJ was physically located because of electronic files and video hearings. To some extent that is still true with the NHC operations. However, some problems have occurred that have no solution. For example, the difference in time zones. This has affected the numbers of hearings a judge can schedule, and great flexibility on the part of the judge. Want to start hearings at 9:OO AM EST and ALJ is in MST, ALJ has to ready to start at 7 AM in his time zone. To start at 9:00 AM MST with ALJ in EST, the ALJ starts hearings at 11 AM in his time zone. Consequently, if the case receipts are not there for an office or even a region, there may be no or fewer hires there despite the presence of empty ALJ offices. Were new hire office assignments for this first 2014 cert made based upon the offices with more case receipts or larger than desired hearing backlogs? What offices have more case receipts or larger than desired hearing backlogs? Excellent questions! Only Bob and the PTB know for sure...
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Post by JudgeRatty on Aug 13, 2014 16:37:34 GMT -5
I'm guessing 128 positions and 64 cities. Dang, you're precise! But essentially the same numbers I came up with (I still think more than 72 were hired; we just don't know them because they are Board outies). As redwhiteblue posted on another thread, the deputy commissioner announced on a conference call today the close of the first round of certs with 43 hires for the August class and 27 hires for the September class, totaling 70. There was no mention of any other details. Perhaps this Friday we will learn more with the next HOCALJ conference call. I am still hopeful that we will have a large cert round with the goal of 200 hired for the calendar year.
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Post by anotherfed on Aug 13, 2014 19:14:27 GMT -5
Okay, so I was wrong. But keeping my fingers crossed for a large September cert!
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Post by zepplin on Aug 13, 2014 20:08:31 GMT -5
To make ourselves feel better... 70 were hired of how many initially? Numbers people, go.
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Post by hopefalj on Aug 13, 2014 20:39:31 GMT -5
To make ourselves feel better... 70 were hired of how many initially? Numbers people, go. 158.
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Post by gary on Aug 13, 2014 21:03:32 GMT -5
To make ourselves feel better... 70 were hired of how many initially? Numbers people, go. 168, but they may have added a couple on supplemental Saturday.
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Post by cheesy on Aug 13, 2014 21:28:39 GMT -5
Cheesy, we used to get this information from insiders like Bartleby and others from time to time but the usual insiders have not been very active on the board. No other way to find out the info you are looking for unless you get information from a person in the know It's such a small, moving target that there is no real means to give a meaningful estimate. By the time all of the needed information is assembled by the multitude of sources needed to compile it, the whole thing is worthless due to changes caused by retirements and transfers.Never thought I'd see the day of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle's direct application to bureaucratic administrivia.
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Post by linky on Aug 14, 2014 11:12:58 GMT -5
Gotta trial on Monday, it is so much work. I really hope the second cert pans out. I'm exhausted.
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Post by cheesy on Aug 14, 2014 20:10:09 GMT -5
One of our pollsters want to create Ye Olde 'Whens the Next Cert?' Poll? We've only got a few weeks -- or months -- to go!
Also, has there been a command decision on data entry for the next cert? If we're not doing the Pile o' Polls again, what about a standard questionnaire, such as:
City: Date and time notified: Phone or email? Accepted? Start date? Insider? Vet status: Score: Other intel:
Anything else? Of course, it should go without saying that people should post only what they feel comfortable posting.
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Post by cheesy on Aug 14, 2014 20:11:38 GMT -5
Gotta trial on Monday, it is so much work. I really hope the second cert pans out. I'm exhausted. Good luck, linky!
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Post by Gaidin on Aug 15, 2014 9:54:26 GMT -5
One of our pollsters want to create Ye Olde 'Whens the Next Cert?' Poll? We've only got a few weeks -- or months -- to go! Also, has there been a command decision on data entry for the next cert? If we're not doing the Pile o' Polls again, what about a standard questionnaire, such as: City: Date and time notified: Phone or email? Accepted? Start date? Insider? Vet status: Score: Other intel: Anything else? Of course, it should go without saying that people should post only what they feel comfortable posting. Since I am always wrong on the "When will X happen" polls I am not going to make one. I will generate some polls when the cert drops and again when the offers start rolling out.
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Post by alreadyin on Aug 15, 2014 15:59:30 GMT -5
I have not read all of the threads so I don't know if anyone else mentioned this. A friend was contacted about a transfer today and asked to advise whether he was still interested and intended to take the transfer if offered. A city not on the previous cert. I don't know if this means anything.
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Post by hopefalj on Aug 15, 2014 16:03:14 GMT -5
I have not read all of the threads so I don't know if anyone else mentioned this. A friend was contacted about a transfer today and asked to advise whether he was still interested and intended to take the transfer if offered. A city not on the previous cert. I don't know if this means anything. Haven't seen anything posted, and people keep asking. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by cubbietax on Aug 15, 2014 16:53:47 GMT -5
I have not read all of the threads so I don't know if anyone else mentioned this. A friend was contacted about a transfer today and asked to advise whether he was still interested and intended to take the transfer if offered. A city not on the previous cert. I don't know if this means anything. Working of the transfer list, the first step in the long second cert process.
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