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Post by aljwatch on Sept 17, 2014 6:11:59 GMT -5
Wacokid asked a while ago if there are "insiders" v "ousiders" in the IJ hiring process. There are no staff attorneys in Immigration Courts, so in that sense there are no applicants who are "insiders" of the courts. While the courts hire Judicial Law Clerks through the DOJ Honors Program, those positions are limited to 2 years. However, there are other agency positions that are seen in some ways as insiders. For example, there are staff attorneys at DOJ's Board of Immigration Appeals, which reviews the IJ decisions, but few of them have litigation experience, which is seen as a disadvantage for the IJ position. There are also staff attorneys at DOJ's Office of Immigration Litigation, which defends the Board's decisions in Circuit Courts, and they have the advantage of having immigration litigation experience. Then there are the trial attorneys within DHS, who are the attorneys who prosecute the removal proceedings before the IJ's. So, they are not DOJ insiders, but are seen as having very relevant immigration litigation experience, and many DHS trial attorneys have been hired as IJs. But other IJ hires have had strong judicial (esp military) or criminal litigation backgrounds without much immigration experience. Also, total outsiders who have had immigration private practices have been hired. I do think they try to look at the totality of each applicant's experience, but I'm sure having these kinds of backgrounds helps. There will definitely be a lot of very qualified candidates, and a very small percentage who even get an interview (as the earlier numbers cited show), even those who could be seen as "insiders" often don't get an interview.
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Post by wacokid on Sept 17, 2014 9:38:26 GMT -5
I have to believe, though, that perhaps the most determinative factor is where one applied, no? That assumes, of course, that each opening is truly considered separately, which is what I inferred from the application process.
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Post by bikingnut on Sept 17, 2014 10:19:12 GMT -5
Dear OCIJ:
I just caught sight of myself and was rather surprised at how tired I look. Please send me an email with an interview time so I can sleep. Or not sleep. Whatever.
Sincerely,
BN
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Post by hopingforalj on Sept 17, 2014 11:00:20 GMT -5
I told them I would go just about anywhere they wanted to place me, but there had to be an Icee machine, prefer Cherry Lime flavored machine.
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Post by luckylady2 on Sept 17, 2014 11:06:42 GMT -5
USDOJ's Civil Division as an Office of Immigration Litigation, staffed with attorneys that only do immigration-related cases, all over the country, on a full-time basis. I have a friend who litigated with them for something like 7 or 8 years, then became an immigration judge.
DOJ's Honors Program is its training program for new law school graduates - it means a bit more supervision and can mean a bit more formal training than lateral hires get. While the Honors Program status lasts for 2 years, my experience is that most of the attorneys that came in under the Honors Program stay on as attorneys - they are just not considered Honors Program (read: greenhorns) after 2 years. The other way to get a Main DOJ gig is to lateral in as an experienced lawyer - there's still training, but not nearly as much hand-holding as the Honors people get.
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Post by bikingnut on Sept 19, 2014 11:00:27 GMT -5
Has anyone who applied heard any peeps? Referrals for anyone yet? I'm probably being super impatient. What do you think a reasonable timeline would be for referrals/notice of whether a person got an interview? I think I'll ride a century every weekend until I get hired somewhere. It will definitely help with the OCD speculation--I won't have the energy to sit around and wonder about it.
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Post by anotherfed on Sept 19, 2014 11:15:50 GMT -5
The DOJ's Office of Immigration Litigation handles appeals of removal cases. Well run office and a great bunch of attorneys.
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Post by hopingforalj on Sept 19, 2014 13:25:06 GMT -5
I have heard not a peep, a giggle or tweet, nor have any of my refer been contacted, a bird told me it takes awhile to hear back, and not sure what awhile means, i sure hope it means soon.
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Post by aljwatch on Sept 19, 2014 14:27:43 GMT -5
I expect everyone will hear about the second Cert for SSA long before anyone who has applied for the IJ position hears about the scheduling of interviews. IMHO it will probably be at least a month, especially since, unlike SSA, they will only interview those they identify as "most qualified" for each city. That will mean plowing through hundreds of applications for each city before the hiring committee can whittle down which ones OCIJ wants to interview. Just like the ALJ application process, it is a marathon, not a sprint.
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Post by bikingnut on Sept 19, 2014 14:49:23 GMT -5
I expect everyone will hear about the second Cert for SSA long before anyone who has applied for the IJ position hears about the scheduling of interviews. IMHO it will probably be at least a month, especially since, unlike SSA, they will only interview those they identify as "most qualified" for each city. That will mean plowing through hundreds of applications for each city before the hiring committee can whittle down which ones OCIJ wants to interview. Just like the ALJ application process, it is a marathon, not a sprint. Ok, let's set up a poll, then. Should I do 33 miles each Friday through Sunday, or drink of the day Friday and hammer out 50 miles each Saturday and Sunday?
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Post by jessejames on Sept 19, 2014 15:40:20 GMT -5
Just be sure and check your email and junk mail folder BEFORE taking the drink of the day or beginning your run.
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Post by bikingnut on Sept 19, 2014 15:53:08 GMT -5
Just be sure and check your email and junk mail folder BEFORE taking the drink of the day or beginning your run. Will do. It's biking--couldn't run 50 miles without expiring or needing knee replacements.
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Post by jessejames on Sept 19, 2014 16:31:44 GMT -5
Sorry. Should have picked that up from your avatar. I like to bike too. Good exercise but I usually go 8 to 10 miles max at 1 time.
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Post by gary on Sept 19, 2014 19:13:31 GMT -5
I suggest you do the 33 miles Friday through Sunday. You'll save a mile that way.
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Post by wacokid on Sept 19, 2014 19:38:23 GMT -5
I have not heard anything either.
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Post by bucksfan on Sept 19, 2014 21:26:13 GMT -5
In the past, EOIR has been known to leave IJ applicants hanging for a year or more. Hopefully, the current crisis will change things.
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Post by jafo on Sept 23, 2014 6:21:06 GMT -5
Is there anyone that took part in the last hiring that may want to share the timeline of the process?
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Post by bikingnut on Sept 23, 2014 10:44:42 GMT -5
Someewhat off topic, but does anyone know what it is like to be a general attorney for Immigration Custom Enforcement? I would imagine that would be a good experience for anyone who wants to become an Immigration Judge. [ Well those postings have been pulled from USAjobs for whatever reason. I saw them this morning too. So you can keep imagining and never know! Lol! There is a posting for an Army attorney with duty location at Pearl Harbor, though. I'd rather spend time imagining that job.
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Post by Missundaztood on Sept 23, 2014 13:35:17 GMT -5
Someewhat off topic, but does anyone know what it is like to be a general attorney for Immigration Custom Enforcement? I would imagine that would be a good experience for anyone who wants to become an Immigration Judge. [ Well those postings have been pulled from USAjobs for whatever reason. I saw them this morning too. So you can keep imagining and never know! Lol! There is a posting for an Army attorney with duty location at Pearl Harbor, though. I'd rather spend time imagining that job. There could have been an error or something that needed to be changed in the announcement. If that is the case, they will get posted again shortly.
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Post by jafo on Sept 28, 2014 18:26:50 GMT -5
Any rumors?
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