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Post by dudeabides on Oct 5, 2014 11:04:12 GMT -5
Orchid: I do not know whether a second cert has been requested I assumed that 1/26 will be the start date for the first of the second certers, I will be in the 2/16 training class with primarily SCOBies. Yea! (Bob said that this is the earliest training class (after the Sept and October ones)) I assumed that, given Bob's absence, no offers for the second cert will be made 10/23 at the earliest.
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Post by orchid on Oct 5, 2014 11:21:16 GMT -5
Orchid: I do not know whether a second cert has been requested I assumed that 1/26 will be the start date for the first of the second certers, I will be in the 2/16 training class with primarily SCOBies. Yea! (Bob said that this is the earliest training class (after the Sept and October ones)) I assumed that, given Bob's absence, no offers for the second cert will be made 10/23 at the earliest. Thanks dude his Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino! Us Scoobies have some new hope (and details)!
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Post by sealaw90 on Oct 5, 2014 12:05:29 GMT -5
What I think this means is that OPM is busy getting ready to test 10 pointers. It was mentioned a few days ago that ODAR is frustrated by the slow pace of supplemental certs arriving from OPM and they were given authority to pull folks from the first certs for those cities they plan on hiring for again. So new certs will not be ready for a few weeks, hence the much deserved vacation for Bob. If new notices are not going out until end of October or early November, I don't see how interviews will take place in mid November.
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Post by tr33 on Oct 5, 2014 13:03:39 GMT -5
Two of the reported facts stand out to me to indicate a small second cert will be unleashed soon. First, I think the fact that Bob reported only "a few more" that are being called means (if true) that there will be a second cert coming soon in order to fill a larger training class in February. Maybe a second cert only for a 30 or so person hire. Likewise, the January start date may be telling as well. Why start the new ALJ hires in January?-- Why not wait on calling them and have their start date when they have enough ALJs for a normal sized training class? One plausible reason is that there will be enough new ALJs from the second cert in the February training class.
And a January start date is still in line with 2nd cert interviews in November, offers December, start in January.
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Post by saaao on Oct 5, 2014 14:16:09 GMT -5
If Bob is on leave until 10/23, does this mean no second cert emails? Hopefully he isn't the only one in the office, but I think he sent the emails last time. He isn't the only one. There are at least a couple more in the office, and if they have second certs drafted and ready to go they could release them next week and start scheduling interviews after Columbus Day without the need for him to be in the office.
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Post by hilltopper on Oct 5, 2014 14:35:17 GMT -5
Logically, a second cert. cannot have been requested or provided until the first cert and all calls and hires off of it had been completed. Presumably, Bob called these folks because they are individuals that ODAR definitely wanted to hire -- but because there weren't enough slots to completely fill another section, [approximately 22+ or so] they timed the calls to occur shortly before requesting a new cert.
If Bob completed all of his calls before going on leave, then the Cert request may have been submitted to OPM on Friday. But, if he still has a couple more calls as reported by dudeabides, then the 2nd cert is not likely to be requested until sometime after October 13th.
Even with that, they could request and receive a cert from OPM and arrange for interviews before Thanksgiving. And, the fact that they have indicated to dude that he will start on 1/26/15 and attend the 4-week training on 2/16/15 tells me that interviews will likely occur starting before Thanksgiving. Hiring calls could then occur beginning the 2nd week of December for the class starting 1/26/15.
Remember the mantra ... Breath in. Breathe out. It's a marathon folks.
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Post by gary on Oct 5, 2014 14:59:00 GMT -5
There is no reason SSA could not request the second round of certs while one or more of the first certs are still pending. It would just mean that candidates they will hire on the first set of certs will be included on any of the second set of certs for which they have the necessary scores and GALs.
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Post by privateatty on Oct 5, 2014 14:59:40 GMT -5
LAST HIRE FROM FIRST CERT I was on the first cert, One city. This was a city that had hired one person. I got a call from Bob Gelhken on 10/2- he offered and I have accepted the ALJ position. Yea! Start date 1/26/15. Class starts 2/16. I am not DSLOTS I asked Mr. Gelhken whether I was the only hire at this time. He said no, there "might be a couple of others." He said that he would be out of the office until 10/23 on leave, I think he said. Not sure what it all means, but I am happy to be one of the last hires from the first cert. Meanwhile, note that I am currently in the mountains in a remote area. My access to the internet is limited. So please do not get upset if I am not able to answer any questions regularrly. I hope others get the good word soon. Congrats dude! One city GAL. Its obvious they really wanted you and it must be nice to be hired home.
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Post by luckylady2 on Oct 5, 2014 15:05:20 GMT -5
Our earlier info was that the certs had already been requested, and that OPM was slow, citing the 10-point Vet work. Nothing has indicated that OPM has given SSA the requested second round.
It sounds to me like, after working the transfer list, they were able to find a few more slots for which they could hire folks from the first cert for cities on the first cert.
Congrats to both of you lucky late-bloomers from the 1st cert!
Could you guys PM someone you trust (like ALJD) with the cities for which you were hired?
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Post by Missundaztood on Oct 5, 2014 15:16:33 GMT -5
Just some thoughts. There was not "one cert." Each city had its own cert first round. So conceivably, SSA could have returned the certs for cities that were fully filled and kept or extended on the cities it hadn't reached by only hiring about 70 instead of the anticipated 90 the first round of certs were for and is working those certs while waiting for the next round from OPM. Also, I assume the 48 hour to accept rule is still in play, so we could just be hearing slowly about the offers again. Finally, I know that when it was time to schedule SSA onterviews, calls were made by folks other thank just Bob, so offers could still come from them while Bob is on leave. Congrats to the two newly accepted ALJs and good luck to the other first cert folks!
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Post by gary on Oct 5, 2014 15:22:14 GMT -5
Just some thoughts. There was not "one cert." Each city had its own cert first round. So conceivably, SSA could have returned the certs for cities that were fully filled and kept or extended on the cities it hadn't reached by only hiring about 70 instead of the anticipated 90 the first round of certs were for and is working those certs while waiting for the next round from OPM. Also, I assume the 48 hour to accept rule is still in play, so we could just be hearing slowly about the offers again. Finally, I know that when it was time to schedule SSA onterviews, calls were made by folks other thank just Bob, so offers could still come from them while Bob is on leave. Congrats to the two newly accepted ALJs and good luck to the other first cert folks! Exactly.
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Post by luckylady2 on Oct 5, 2014 15:22:31 GMT -5
Good point, Miss - I should have made all of my references to certs plural.
At least we know ODAR is still trying to fill any slots it can, and my guess is that they are doing whatever hiring they can while they wait for the next round of certs from OPM.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Oct 5, 2014 17:57:28 GMT -5
Congrats to Dudeabides and anonymous! Yay!
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Post by mch135 on Oct 6, 2014 8:55:05 GMT -5
I'd be interested to know whether the 2 that just got offers received the rejection email that the rest of us got several weeks ago.
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Post by Gaidin on Oct 6, 2014 10:40:29 GMT -5
Excellent question mch.
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Post by Gaidin on Oct 6, 2014 10:44:07 GMT -5
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Post by sealaw90 on Oct 6, 2014 11:12:10 GMT -5
Thanks for finding that post Gaidin!
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Post by floss on Oct 6, 2014 13:15:24 GMT -5
Do most on this board think that there will not be a large number for the second round of certs? If so, then why would ssa not want to see as many people on the register as possible, especially if there is so much time, effort, and money involved in requesting certs? I know that some have estimated the number on the register at around 1000, but I think that the number is only around 700-800 based on the info that has been posted...over a year ago when we went to d.c. I would appreciate any ideas. Thanks.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Oct 6, 2014 13:33:22 GMT -5
Do most on this board think that there will not be a large number for the second round of certs? If so, then why would ssa not want to see as many people on the register as possible, especially if there is so much time, effort, and money involved in requesting certs? I know that some have estimated the number on the register at around 1000, but I think that the number is only around 700-800 based on the info that has been posted...over a year ago when we went to d.c. I would appreciate any ideas. Thanks. The last Intel was a hire for another 130. There is no reason to think otherwise. I think the next set of certificates will yield several small classes until they reach the 130. The first of these having start dates in January as Dudeabides posted. I think you are right about the 700-800 size of the register now since 70 have been removed (hired) maybe more removed since some removed themselves and took other agency jobs and some vets being added at some point. I think the last Intel I heard was they hoped to have the 130 in place by March 2015, barring any budget issues of course.
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Post by Gaidin on Oct 6, 2014 14:05:45 GMT -5
Do most on this board think that there will not be a large number for the second round of certs? If so, then why would ssa not want to see as many people on the register as possible, especially if there is so much time, effort, and money involved in requesting certs? I know that some have estimated the number on the register at around 1000, but I think that the number is only around 700-800 based on the info that has been posted...over a year ago when we went to d.c. I would appreciate any ideas. Thanks. The last Intel was a hire for another 130. There is no reason to think otherwise. I think the next set of certificates will yield several small classes until they reach the 130. The first of these having start dates in January as Dudeabides posted. I think you are right about the 700-800 size of the register now since 70 have been removed (hired) maybe more removed since some removed themselves and took other agency jobs and some vets being added at some point. I think the last Intel I heard was they hoped to have the 130 in place by March 2015, barring any budget issues of course. I think that they will try to get another 130 people hired by March 2015. This includes Dudeabides and the people hired with him. I believe these ALJs were hired off the 1st cert. What I was saying about a small cert this time is about the size of the certs that ODAR will pull, interview, and hire for the January class. I think to get people onboarded for January they will have to go smaller with this 2nd group of certs. They will then be able to pull a cert for say 100 positions but that can wait a little while. Say they send out the cert announcements in November, interview in December, hire in January for February start dates. It is still possible to get certs for the ~130 positions left out, candidates interviewed, and hires for the January class made but time is getting tight to do that. Additionally, we haven't heard any confirmation about November interviewers in a while and that worries me.
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