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Post by Gaidin on Feb 2, 2015 10:37:36 GMT -5
Just to put that in perspective an African Elephant has the longest gestation time for a mammal and it is a mere 22 months...
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Post by gary on Feb 2, 2015 10:54:23 GMT -5
Just to put that in perspective an African Elephant has the longest gestation time for a mammal and it is a mere 22 months... So you and 'fed are saying we're not mammals?
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Post by anotherfed on Feb 2, 2015 11:43:32 GMT -5
Of course we are ... we're just ... special.
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Post by Gaidin on Feb 2, 2015 12:04:11 GMT -5
Once you don the robes/birth the job you become more than a mammal. You are of a separate flesh.
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Post by gary on Feb 2, 2015 12:11:04 GMT -5
I think what you're saying is an ALJ is not merely a horse of a different color but is a whole different kettle of fish.
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Post by Loopstok on Feb 2, 2015 12:58:18 GMT -5
I thought I was a fowl. Or, at least, a fowl deboner, as per certain Circuit Court judges.
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Post by sealaw90 on Feb 2, 2015 14:13:25 GMT -5
Judge Posner has nothing on the French (according to Monty Python) when it comes to insults; Monty Python and the Holy Grail
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Post by funkyodar on Feb 3, 2015 16:12:13 GMT -5
OK, I started not to even post this because it is the worst kind of hearsay and I don't want to give anyone false hope or anything. But then I thought if I was in the shoes of the appellants I would want to know even the most suspect of rumors, so here goes.
A friend in the agency (first level of hearsay) just told me that a friend of his in another office (second level of hearsay) just talked to an attorney advisor friend in another office (third level of hearsay) who had just received notice his appeal from being cut at phase 1 (the "you dont have enough experience level") was granted and he is being advanced to phase 2 (the online component).
I dont personally know the friend of the friend or the friend of the friend's friend and cannot vouch that any of this is true. But if it is....
Anyway, don't hate me if it all proves bogus. This is by far the least supported rumor I have ever posted but in light of the fact that you appellant folks have been kept so woefully in the dark I thought I would post it in hopes it is true and gives you some solace that things are moving.
Good luck.
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Post by 71stretch on Feb 3, 2015 17:15:48 GMT -5
Funky, it never made sense to me that they weren't going to contact anyone about their appeal until all the appeals were considered. It does make sense if they are in fact handling the "level one" appeals first, as those are frankly the easiest to go through. Things like bar numbers, bar membership dates and years of experience are a lot easier to process than the disqualifications at later levels. So, I hope you are right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 23:33:41 GMT -5
I sent this to funky--I am more of a watcher on the board than active poster. But I was scared that I was the origin of his triple hearsay rumor--and it is possible.
I am an AA who was booted for "lack of minimum qualifications." I noticed what I thought was a change to my app status last Friday, but was out of town and forgot to check it until this morning, and sent message to a friend to ask him to check his status. He said it looked like I had prevailed and I was on to step 2. My boss sent me a kudos message a few minutes later. Given the grapevine, it's possible this was the origin of Funky's rumor, though I don't know that for a fact. I was merely trying to get a confirmation of my application status, which another step1er confirmed later.
Three things... (1) I have not received any contact from OPM; (2) I am sure there has been a change in my application status, though I have no idea when it happened; and ....
(3) the coworker I initially checked with this morning does not have access to his ALJ application any longer. Although he does not know when it occurred, it is possible that some decisions are occurring if he no longer has access to his application.
All of this to say, if my query was the start of the rumor, I apologize.
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Post by sealaw90 on Feb 4, 2015 9:05:16 GMT -5
Don't apologize dogg if, in fact, you are moving on to Step 2. Just keep us up to date if you get the news from OPM and don't forget to check your spam folder for the email!! Good luck!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 9:22:05 GMT -5
Thanks. As much as I hope that's the case, there is no evidence to confirm it hat it is the case yet. But I will definitely post it if it happens.
Good luck to us all.
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Post by keepsake on Feb 25, 2015 16:23:49 GMT -5
I have periodically checked in with the ALJ Help Desk concerning appeal issues (say quarterly or so) - not to be pushy or anything but to ask about status/timeframe for any appeal determinations. I have always pretty much received the same answer, which I copy and past below (recently received following yet another query):
"The Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) Appeals Panel is diligently reviewing appeals for the ALJ examination, Job Opportunity Announcement number ALJ2013-847661. Due to the volume and variety of appeals, the U.S. Office of Personnel Management cannot provide a specific time frame for the completion of the appeals process. Applicants will be notified via email once the ALJ Appeals Panel has made its decisions regarding all the appeals.
We appreciate your patience."
I'd rather not speculate as to the time for any particular substantive response but it appears that the process is not finished and I have no idea in what order appeals are being decided. Are they doing first phase and then the next or all at once with appeal decisions not rolling? I have heard things from various folks supposedly in the know as it were, but nothing that encourages me to hope for any particular decisions coming out any time soon. . . . . Just thought I would share what I have received given the speculation that some movement might have been happening on this issue.
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Post by keepsake on Mar 2, 2015 13:10:01 GMT -5
I agree that the appeals process feels like a mess, especially if one received a first stage negative NOR, as that appeal surely would be the most readily determined. People in that position could have theoretically been ruled upon and passed onto next stages if successful in an appeal. OPM administers the testing for qualified vets - so why wouldn't it be possible for successful appeals to slot into that timing?
I posted the response I received mostly to show that my response was the same at furturealj's and I read it as a form letter that doesn't really say anythnig substantively. All the responses I have received are the same. I get it that ruling on what are likely very many appeals at all the stages is problematic and OPM likely has the actual management of the register and issuance of certs to deal with in serving its primary customers, i.e., SSA and to a lesser extent OMHA.
As for SSA pushing in future to try to exert some control over this appeal process - that is interesting but seems problematic. Surely SSA has the most skin in the game given the sheer numbers of hires it makes, but how could the other employing agencies go along with SSA controlling appeals concerning general qualifications for the ALJ position? I do not know the relative pull of these other agencies compared to SSA with OPM for a fact, but the system is set up for a general register for all employing agencies. Proposals for distinct register(s) for adversarial vs. non-adversarila positions or somehow otherwise splitting SSA positions off have, from what I understand, not gone anywhere.
Good luck to everyone waiting to hear a determination at whatever stage, but my hopes for a near-term resolution are tepid at best.
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Post by moopigsdad on Mar 2, 2015 13:58:33 GMT -5
I would agree with beancounter if the intent is for SSA to control the entire process. It would be for something like AJ positions, not ALJ positions.
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Post by Gaidin on Mar 2, 2015 14:32:29 GMT -5
I would agree with beancounter if the intent is for SSA to control the entire process. It would be for something like AJ positions, not ALJ positions. And thus without APA protections.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 15:37:33 GMT -5
Before this gets too far down the track, it was definitely second hand intel so take it FWIW.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Mar 2, 2015 17:36:06 GMT -5
I imagine that OPM learned from the Adzell litigation that once the administrative process is complete, a candidate could file for injunctive relief and the process of hiring could cease for a period of time. I imagine they are being very diligent in these appeals so they avoid such circumstances, which no doubt takes an incredible amount of time and effort.
Frankly, it seems most likely that there are SO many appeals in the pipeline, that even working as fast as they can this process will take years.
My heart goes out to all those waiting on appeals. It makes me feel a bit guilty for thinking about how long it has taken to get this far. It could be much worse. Feeling grateful to be on the register. Good luck to all those waiting on appeals!
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Post by hopefalj on Mar 2, 2015 17:42:19 GMT -5
Before this gets too far down the track, it was definitely second hand intel so take it FWIW. There's also an enormous difference between SSA wanting to take control and SSA actually being able to take control. The former has understandably been true for years. The latter would prove extremely difficult. Given the severe delay in and high cost of creating this register, it shouldn't come as any surprise that SSA is just a little frustrated with OPM right now.
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Post by Missundaztood on Mar 2, 2015 18:24:15 GMT -5
I wonder if SSA were to take control, would OPM still have involvement at the early qualification stages, like it does with the hiring of AJs or IJs, with MSPB, immigration, etc.
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