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Post by anotherfed on Feb 17, 2015 15:20:50 GMT -5
Did anyone from the August, September, or January classes run into this problem? Care to weigh in?
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Post by moopigsdad on Feb 17, 2015 16:03:03 GMT -5
Thanks to all the good wishes on my offer. So if I decline this offer then I go to the bottom of the list? or what? So ... let me understand. You reported getting the offer for West Des Moines on Feb. 13. Did you already accept and are now considering changing your mind? Or did you ever answer them within the 24 hour period? I am confused about your question. MPD pointed out an important issue with the 24 hour period to respond.
I think either way, if you already accepted and then decide to decline... that would be very bad for any potential offers in the future. As much as I would LOVE for you to decline (I want Des Moines)... I cannot imagine this would be viewed favorably at this point.
If you never responded to the 24 hour call... you may be SOL and do not even know it.
EDIT: I am not sure about the timing on this with the 24 hour turnaround. Your offer was reported on a Friday and not sure if that 24 hours applies to the weekend or business days... and now we have a closure due to weather. So you may not be out of luck! This is an unusual situation due to the weekend, holiday, and now weather closure.
I am with sratty on her post and the other aspects she mentioned beyond my earlier post. We lack information from formeraj to give a good answer here. Was it an email offer or a telephone offer? Was an official offer then made by email and when was that offer made? Your best best formeraj is to call SSA first thing tomorrow and speak to them about your concerns and see what your options are. Good luck!
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Post by goal on Feb 17, 2015 16:11:47 GMT -5
FWIW, I know of an ALJ who declined his first offer, but he later received an offer that he accepted. This was under the prior system though, and I am not sure if it would be the same with the new system.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Feb 17, 2015 17:46:27 GMT -5
FWIW, I know of an ALJ who declined his first offer, but he later received an offer that he accepted. This was under the prior system though, and I am not sure if it would be the same with the new system. This is the 2nd time I have seen a post where someone declined and was later offered a different city.
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Post by Missundaztood on Feb 17, 2015 19:15:32 GMT -5
IMHO, it is really difficult when you get that list of cities to decline any because I understand wanting to maximize your chances for an offer, but I think you really should take a hard look at each and every city and think: if Bob calls with an offer for this city, will I say yes? And if not, decline it. I am not saying this theoretically. I have declined cities using this method. And it was not an easy decision each time. (And I am not talking about things that come up between submitting the form and getting the offer. I know, things happen.)
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Post by integer on Feb 17, 2015 19:56:29 GMT -5
As an aside from the current important topic (sorry, I do not believe that I have any information to add), I want to wish everyone anxiously waiting the best of luck. Hang tough and keep the faith. For those of you recently selected, congratulations.
-Integer
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Post by tinker on Feb 17, 2015 22:51:07 GMT -5
It is all very stressful, you wait two years for an offer and then when it comes, you are totally unprepared. I had given up so we bought a new house less than a year ago. After painstakingly selecting the just right curtains, we are leaving. I am VERY happy to have the opportunity. Hang in there if you are on the list, it seems to come when you give up.
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Post by 71stretch on Feb 18, 2015 5:19:57 GMT -5
The current system is too generous. I believe if you decline an offer you should be off the register until next opening. Let me explain. You chose your GAL in the beginning. You also had the chance to remove any cities you wouldn't accept two months ago, but you chose not to for whatever reason. your decision not to accept the job offer makes things really complicated. I believe the selection committee must decide again collectively and that delays the process. We have 162 hearing offices and you are likely able to transfer back to your desired area of 3 hr driving distance in about 8 months. if you cannot say "yes" before hanging up, please wait until you are ready to do so. I hope I am not being rude but I am being real honest. As I said in other posts, this job is the best job in govt. may be I am naive but what is there to think about. you had two years to do that... Have to disagree here. The agencies who hire from it, particularly SSA, have an investment in this register too. Taking a candidate they like, who took the time it took to get ON the register, completely off because circumstances changed and they could not accept an offer to a particular place at a particular time, is overly punitive. Circumstances can change drastically in, literally, an instant. Suspension only after declining two offers makes sense. Removal completely after one does not. And, back in the "old days" when all the offers, virtually, came in a 48 hour flurry, someone declining an offer meant that that position didn't get filled off that cert. Now, I'm not sure that's the case. With a separate cert for each city, they seem to have a lot more flexibility in moving on. I don't think they do have to meet again. That's why they put the 24 hours on it. Very few decline these offers, but it does happen. Transfer back in about 8 months? Not necessarily. Some are fortunate, but others have taken years to get back where they came from or need to be. It depends on circumstances that are pretty much outside your control. It IS a great job, but one's own circumstances CAN outweigh taking it in a particular place. (and some, not many, have discovered that, for them, it's not the best job in government). It would be nice if life was always easy choices, but we all know it's not. Which is why I'm not going to sit in judgment on anyone's choices here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 7:15:25 GMT -5
Aaahh: the continuing differences between federal employment and private employment. Federal: Lucrative job offered; applicant says "No" and feds say "Ok, sorry, well how about this?" Private: Lucrative job offered; applicant says "No" and privates say "Buh Bye".
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Post by ibnlurkin on Feb 18, 2015 7:40:10 GMT -5
My 2 cents .... My GAL is 10 spots ... I got a cert got for 2... One my ideal the other about 90 minutes away.....I crossed off one
Still in a quandary as my circumstances are steadily improving both qualitatively and quantitatively .... In my gut I know the ALJ job can't be beat in terms of stability and long term quality of life
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Post by ibnlurkin on Feb 18, 2015 7:43:26 GMT -5
To be clear I've had no offers and with my low score my not get one anytime soon....I believe at least one offer was made and accepted in my top spot
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Post by 71stretch on Feb 18, 2015 8:03:17 GMT -5
Aaahh: the continuing differences between federal employment and private employment. Federal: Lucrative job offered; applicant says "No" and feds say "Ok, sorry, well how about this?" Private: Lucrative job offered; applicant says "No" and privates say "Buh Bye". We all know that. But private employment doesn't make you jump through varying degrees of hoops at your own expense just to get on a list that MAY allow you to get a job if all the dominoes fall in place, either. Yes, there are differences between the two. So???
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Post by tinker on Feb 18, 2015 8:40:59 GMT -5
Yes, I accepted immediately when I got the message, about two hours after they called. I am just saying it was not expected at that point. I only had one city on the Cert so I figured it was too long a shot. I pretty much agree you should be ready to roll after reconfirming. Also a lot of private employers do make interviewees pay to travel to interviews nowadays. Feds are great but the days of cushy jobs are gone, all Government jobs are pretty demanding nowadays. Accepting this job is a no-brainer, moving is a pain in the neck. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by moopigsdad on Feb 18, 2015 11:05:48 GMT -5
So, anyone able to see if Bob is at work today? Please let us know. Kind of quiet this morning again.
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Post by bartleby on Feb 18, 2015 11:31:31 GMT -5
I have friends that were picked up 3 1/2 years ago and are still waiting on a transfer... It took me 20 months to get a transfer. Bob is available today.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Feb 18, 2015 11:42:46 GMT -5
They are all at work and got there early today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 11:56:07 GMT -5
Aaahh: the continuing differences between federal employment and private employment. Federal: Lucrative job offered; applicant says "No" and feds say "Ok, sorry, well how about this?" Private: Lucrative job offered; applicant says "No" and privates say "Buh Bye". We all know that. But private employment doesn't make you jump through varying degrees of hoops at your own expense just to get on a list that MAY allow you to get a job if all the dominoes fall in place, either. Yes, there are differences between the two. So??? I came from a different world. Every private job I ever held I had to jump through many hoops (resumes, background checks, interviews, education level, work experiences, etc.) just to get an interview (not a job)... and all at my own expense. And as a private employer I did the same for incoming applicants. The difference is that rarely if ever does a private employer give an applicant, 1, 2 and even 3 job chances to accept an offered job. The norm is; here is the job; take it or leave it. In that regard, I must humbly agree with northerner; the federal system should be more like the private system. Offer extended. Offer accepted or denied. Denied? Remove from further consideration and move on to someone else. Just MHO as much more expedient and cost effective business practice.
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Post by moopigsdad on Feb 18, 2015 12:31:08 GMT -5
We all know that. But private employment doesn't make you jump through varying degrees of hoops at your own expense just to get on a list that MAY allow you to get a job if all the dominoes fall in place, either. Yes, there are differences between the two. So??? I came from a different world. Every private job I ever held I had to jump through many hoops (resumes, background checks, interviews, education level, work experiences, etc.) just to get an interview (not a job)... and all at my own expense. And as a private employer I did the same for incoming applicants. The difference is that rarely if ever does a private employer give an applicant, 1, 2 and even 3 job chances to accept an offered job. The norm is; here is the job; take it or leave it. In that regard, I must humbly agree with northerner; the federal system should be more like the private system. Offer extended. Offer accepted or denied. Denied? Remove from further consideration and move on to someone else. Just MHO as much more expedient and cost effective business practice. I can clearly see both sides of the issues here. There is merit to both arguments. However, if your life situation changes and you are no longer a viable candidate for a location the burden should be on you to either let OPM and SSA know of your need to change your GAL or you should decline the offer as soon as it comes up. If one accepts an offer and then after some period of time passes (2 hours or 2 days) the person decides to decline the same accepted offer, then indeed that person should be removed from any future consideration (absent an immediate life changing event that occurred in the interim). However, if you are offered a location and you decline it, such declination should only remove you from future consideration for that location. Furthermore, only a second declination should indeed remove you from any further consideration as well until the next reopening of the Register IMHO.
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Post by moopigsdad on Feb 18, 2015 15:02:18 GMT -5
Too bad (for us anyway) that it's a federal snow day. We won't get any tea leaves to read until tomorrow about whether the March class is full or not. (If there are no calls reported tomorrow, I think it's full.) You may be right about the March class being full northbend. If we hear nothing by tomorrow the odds are it is indeed full. Then, we will start the wait for the May class to begin to fill with offers.
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Post by iplawyer on Feb 18, 2015 21:06:25 GMT -5
We all know that. But private employment doesn't make you jump through varying degrees of hoops at your own expense just to get on a list that MAY allow you to get a job if all the dominoes fall in place, either. Yes, there are differences between the two. So??? I came from a different world. Every private job I ever held I had to jump through many hoops (resumes, background checks, interviews, education level, work experiences, etc.) just to get an interview (not a job)... and all at my own expense. And as a private employer I did the same for incoming applicants. The difference is that rarely if ever does a private employer give an applicant, 1, 2 and even 3 job chances to accept an offered job. The norm is; here is the job; take it or leave it. In that regard, I must humbly agree with northerner; the federal system should be more like the private system. Offer extended. Offer accepted or denied. Denied? Remove from further consideration and move on to someone else. Just MHO as much more expedient and cost effective business practice. I have no doubt that you indeed had those experiences. But I've also seen plenty of private practice positions in which an employer wants a person enough that it negotiates to accommodate his/her preferences: later start dates, extra teleworking, less/more travel time, extra maternity/paternity leave, more pay, etc. It's a stretch to suggest that, by offering a wanted candidate one than one location, the Government is doing something far outside the norm.
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