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Post by shrek1 on Mar 17, 2015 18:46:18 GMT -5
congrats!!!! but where. Seems I'm heading to Moreno Valley Springs---where dat?
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Post by 71stretch on Mar 17, 2015 18:57:07 GMT -5
congrats!!!! but where. Seems I'm heading to Moreno Valley Springs---where dat? California here you come.....(Moreno Valley, no Springs)
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Post by shrek1 on Mar 17, 2015 19:21:58 GMT -5
Thank you!! It's a state of mind I suppose with the "Springs"......all good. Much closer to the swamp for me.
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Post by gary on Mar 17, 2015 19:25:10 GMT -5
They are working it. Received emails last week and today. Warm sunny places! Congratulations! And it came on one of your big days!
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Post by gary on Mar 17, 2015 19:25:26 GMT -5
congrats!!!! but where. Seems I'm heading to Moreno Valley Springs---where dat? Congratulations!
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Post by Missundaztood on Mar 18, 2015 10:50:51 GMT -5
Thank you!! It's a state of mind I suppose with the "Springs"......all good. Much closer to the swamp for me. Like a fairy tale!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 20:19:03 GMT -5
HQ is working the transfer list, rec'd email today, same city from last request, assume more will be on the way. Was funkyodar able to talk you into transferring out? Funny, just saw the above comment. Funky has been here a few weeks now and hasn't even brought up the conversation once, are you and Funky sending each other private messages? I pretty sure that I can speak for Funky and say that we would both be very happy working in the same office for the next 14 years, but once you get the call and accept the lifetime appointment, you must do what is right for you and your family.
That's what makes this job a very good gig if you get the call, it allows great freedom to move about this great country. But I will confront Funky tomorrow and see if he's been talking to you by PM and plotting my transfer. I doubt it, but I'll check into that!
Tiger
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Post by Missundaztood on Mar 18, 2015 20:43:38 GMT -5
Was funkyodar able to talk you into transferring out? Funny, just saw the above comment. Funky has been here a few weeks now and hasn't even brought up the conversation once, are you and Funky sending each other private messages? I pretty sure that I can speak for Funky and say that we would both be very happy working in the same office for the next 14 years, but once you get the call and accept the lifetime appointment, you must do what is right for you and your family.
That's what makes this job a very good gig if you get the call, it allows great freedom to move about this great country. But I will confront Funky tomorrow and see if he's been talking to you by PM and plotting my transfer. I doubt it, but I'll check into that!
Tiger
I can PM the famous funkyodar?!!! Awesome. And I could somehow plot with him? Double awesome. The idea of you, funky, and hilltopper in one office is just outstanding. We will all be fighting to get in there, more than any other. Sorry my joke flopped. The lull is making me nuts!
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Post by iplawyer on Mar 22, 2015 23:26:04 GMT -5
All applicants should be aware of the following: I have been informed by an ALJ that, under the new contract, management is free to hire from a new certificate rather than going to the reassignment/transfer list. (Apparently, under the old contract, management was obligated to go to the reassignment list before hiring new, but only to the first person on each office's list.)
If you are waiting to by hired, this should be seen as good news. Just because there are people trying to transfer to your preferred office does not mean that they won't hire off of the cert.
OTOH, if you are (like me) in one Crapland office and are awaiting transfer back to somewhere else with a vacancy and a short waiting list (another Crapland spot, in my case), you can find yourself marooned in Crapland #1 indefinitely. My guess is that management is sensitive not to let Crapland offices become places with too much churn, which may make it more difficult to get out of those offices in the first year. So while you are finalizing your new cert cities (when the cert arrives), keep in mind that you might not get back from Crapland too soon even if your preferred office frequently has vacancies. I wish that I had been aware of this at the time of the cert; I would have removed my current office from my list.
If I find out any information that changes my understanding, I'll let you know.
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Post by hilltopper on Mar 22, 2015 23:47:53 GMT -5
Funny, just saw the above comment. Funky has been here a few weeks now and hasn't even brought up the conversation once, are you and Funky sending each other private messages? I pretty sure that I can speak for Funky and say that we would both be very happy working in the same office for the next 14 years, but once you get the call and accept the lifetime appointment, you must do what is right for you and your family.
That's what makes this job a very good gig if you get the call, it allows great freedom to move about this great country. But I will confront Funky tomorrow and see if he's been talking to you by PM and plotting my transfer. I doubt it, but I'll check into that!
Tiger
I can PM the famous funkyodar?!!! Awesome. And I could somehow plot with him? Double awesome. The idea of you, funky, and hilltopper in one office is just outstanding. We will all be fighting to get in there, more than any other. Sorry my joke flopped. The lull is making me nuts! The experience of being in the same office with the three of us is highly overrated, I'm sure. Don't worry about Tiger, he's just a kitty at heart. And Funky is actually more classic Rock and Roll - than Funk. My chief function appears to be playing straight man to those two when their wit is sharp and their banter pithy. Life is good. ht
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Post by gary on Mar 23, 2015 0:02:57 GMT -5
I can PM the famous funkyodar?!!! Awesome. And I could somehow plot with him? Double awesome. The idea of you, funky, and hilltopper in one office is just outstanding. We will all be fighting to get in there, more than any other. Sorry my joke flopped. The lull is making me nuts! The experience of being in the same office with the three of us is highly overrated, I'm sure. Don't worry about Tiger, he's just a kitty at heart. And Funky is actually more classic Rock and Roll - than Funk. My chief function appears to be playing straight man to those two when their wit is sharp and their banter pithy. Life is good. ht Being a good straight man takes a great deal of skill. It was such a valued role that most often in a traditional comedy team the name of the straight man came first, e.g., Burns and Allen; Abbott and Costello; Martin and Lewis; and Rowan and Martin.
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Post by mamaru on Mar 23, 2015 0:13:34 GMT -5
I can PM the famous funkyodar?!!! Awesome. And I could somehow plot with him? Double awesome. The idea of you, funky, and hilltopper in one office is just outstanding. We will all be fighting to get in there, more than any other. Sorry my joke flopped. The lull is making me nuts! The experience of being in the same office with the three of us is highly overrated, I'm sure. Don't worry about Tiger, he's just a kitty at heart. And Funky is actually more classic Rock and Roll - than Funk. My chief function appears to be playing straight man to those two when their wit is sharp and their banter pithy. Life is good. ht
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Post by mamaru on Mar 23, 2015 0:23:18 GMT -5
ip,
Perhaps someone with access to the ALJ contract would be willing to post the current contract language regarding ALJ transfer rights.
Collective bargaining agreements do change and if there has been a change in procedure, that's important, for the reasons you explained.
I think instead of relying on someone else's interpretation of the contract, we should go directly to the source.
Don't all the ALJ's have access to the labor agreement? Help us out here, please!
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Post by eyre44 on Mar 23, 2015 13:09:35 GMT -5
OTOH, if you are (like me) in one Crapland office and are awaiting transfer back to somewhere else with a vacancy and a short waiting list (another Crapland spot, in my case), you can find yourself marooned in Crapland #1 indefinitely. My guess is that management is sensitive not to let Crapland offices become places with too much churn, which may make it more difficult to get out of those offices in the first year. So while you are finalizing your new cert cities (when the cert arrives), keep in mind that you might not get back from Crapland too soon even if your preferred office frequently has vacancies. I wish that I had been aware of this at the time of the cert; I would have removed my current office from my list.
If I find out any information that changes my understanding, I'll let you know. My understanding of the contract is this...the agency is required to fill the first two vacancies generated from an opening via the reassignment register. For example, a position in office A opens. Judge in Office B wants office A and takes transfer. (reassignment register must be used) This creates an opening in Office B. Judge in Office C wants office B and takes transfer. (reassignment register must be used) This creates an opening in office C. (reassignment register does not have to be used). In addition a management ALJ can always trump the transfer list. So Iplawyer, if you were on the list for office A or B, you should contact the union, if you were on the list for office C, you are out of luck.
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Post by funkyodar on Mar 23, 2015 13:39:50 GMT -5
The new hiring paradigm with the single city certs has also affected the transfer list. As has been noted in a few threads/posts, once an opening has been noted and a determination has been made to fill it, they work the list for that city. If no one accepts the transfer or there is no one on the list for that city they request a cert. Once a cert is requested, transfers to that city are frozen until the cert expires. So, if you come on the list for City A, after a cert has been requested, but well before any hires (and this process takes forever) you are frozen out and a newbie is gonna get there. And certs can remeain open for mutliple hires to that city and through multiple rounds of hiring to that city...apparently.
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Post by iplawyer on Mar 23, 2015 15:53:31 GMT -5
Update:
The union confirmed for me that the current contract spells out an obligation for management to fully work the reassignment list for each office before hiring new Judges. That seems like the end of the matter -- good for current ALJs AND, long term, those candidates with broader GALs who would be trying to get back to less-popular locations. (I still find it odd that my HOCALJ thought otherwise, but I guess that information can travel slowly.)
Best of luck to everyone waiting for the next certificate!
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Post by Missundaztood on Mar 23, 2015 16:29:36 GMT -5
Maybe someone can straighten me out. My understanding is that SSA requested certs from OPM 2 or 3 weeks ago and that tranfer emails were still going out after. If the transfer list has to be exhausted before hiring, then how can the powers that be know which certs to request? Is it just a SWAG on their part? I suspect they request more certs rather than less. And we know that just because they requested a cert, it doesn't mean that they will actually hire from it. I know that happened with Indy in around November.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Mar 23, 2015 17:14:50 GMT -5
Maybe someone can straighten me out. My understanding is that SSA requested certs from OPM 2 or 3 weeks ago and that tranfer emails were still going out after. If the transfer list has to be exhausted before hiring, then how can the powers that be know which certs to request? Is it just a SWAG on their part? They can only request a certificate for a city that is not being worked for transfer, and they can only work a transfer list on a city that does not have an open certificate. Each city is on it's own timeline making things more complex. The certs they requested 2 or 3 weeks ago may be for different cities than are being worked for transfer, or they let those certs close so they could work the transfer list again. No way to know.
Think of it this way, each city can only have one thing going on at a time, either transfer or cert, but not both at the same time. Now, there is no way to know what cities they requested until we see people getting cities on the cert emails. And even then, like Miss said, they are free to request a cert then let it close without hiring right then. This new process is totally different in this regard. Each city has it's own cert with a set of names on it just for that city, and it can be open as long as SSA wants it to be open.
They could change mid stream and decide it is better to work the transfer list again rather than hiring off a cert for a particular city. The only "must" is that they work the list prior to requesting a cert for that particular city. What makes it all more complex is that all of this is not happening in a vacuum. These things can be simultaneous working different cities for different things all at the same time.
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Post by ALJD on Mar 23, 2015 22:41:41 GMT -5
Maybe someone can straighten me out. My understanding is that SSA requested certs from OPM 2 or 3 weeks ago and that tranfer emails were still going out after. If the transfer list has to be exhausted before hiring, then how can the powers that be know which certs to request? Is it just a SWAG on their part? Rumor last week was that the certs still haven't arrived from OPM yet. Hence the lack of progress. Expect movement as soon as the certs arrive. So hang in there.
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Post by Missundaztood on Mar 23, 2015 23:22:06 GMT -5
Maybe someone can straighten me out. My understanding is that SSA requested certs from OPM 2 or 3 weeks ago and that tranfer emails were still going out after. If the transfer list has to be exhausted before hiring, then how can the powers that be know which certs to request? Is it just a SWAG on their part? Rumor last week was that the certs still haven't arrived from OPM yet. Hence the lack of progress. Expect movement as soon as the certs arrive. So hang in there. Thanks!
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