linky
Full Member
Posts: 88
|
Post by linky on Jul 27, 2015 21:23:38 GMT -5
If a city is on the new cert does that mean an ALJ on the transfer list will not be hired for that city?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 21:46:33 GMT -5
Once a cert is issue, transfers are frozen for that city under the terms of the union contract. So that means the Agency worked the transfer list before requesting the cert and no current ALJs wanted to accept a transfer to that city or it's in crapland. But, I love crapland and would still be in less desirable places but for other reasons.
|
|
|
Post by hopefalj on Jul 28, 2015 7:47:12 GMT -5
Once a cert is issue, transfers are frozen for that city under the terms of the union contract. So that means the Agency worked the transfer list before requesting the cert and no current ALJs wanted to accept a transfer to that city or it's in crapland. But, I love crapland and would still be in less desirable places but for other reasons. With one caveat... sometimes certs are issued right after the transfer inquiries are sent out in case no one takes the transfer. An example of this from the previous large certs was Boston. There was one spot for that office, and it was filled by a sitting ALJ before hires were made from the register but after the certs were requested.
|
|
|
Post by prescient on Aug 3, 2015 6:54:36 GMT -5
Have you had a chance to work on this?
|
|
|
Post by Gaidin on Aug 3, 2015 10:29:11 GMT -5
Nope and now an August list is out or will be out soon. July was busier than a normal month. I will try to get a hold of the August list and put it out.
|
|
|
Post by gary on Aug 3, 2015 10:42:08 GMT -5
Thanks Gaidin.
|
|
|
Post by moopigsdad on Aug 3, 2015 11:44:49 GMT -5
Gaidin in the scheme of things, the transfer list to those candidates waiting for a call with an offer makes little difference in the end. The only people it really matters to are those ALJs trying to transfer to another ODAR office. So, you need not apologize for not getting one out last month at all. Quite frankly, I don't even bother to look at the list any more even when you do it.
|
|
|
Post by saaao on Aug 3, 2015 11:55:12 GMT -5
Approximately half of the ODAR offices are locked down by this group of Certs. Until this hire is completed I don't think there is going to be a lot of information to be gleaned. It is also notable that many of the cities on this group of certs are famous for the length of their transfer lists. That has happened on previous groups of certs. While all information is good, I don't think the transfer list is as good a predictor of which cities are going to come available and how long a wait someone can expect to wait for transfer as we had previously thought.
|
|
|
Post by Gaidin on Aug 3, 2015 12:14:47 GMT -5
Approximately half of the ODAR offices are locked down by this group of Certs. Until this hire is completed I don't think there is going to be a lot of information to be gleaned. It is also notable that many of the cities on this group of certs are famous for the length of their transfer lists. That has happened on previous groups of certs. While all information is good, I don't think the transfer list is as good a predictor of which cities are going to come available and how long a wait someone can expect to wait for transfer as we had previously thought. I would agree with everything you said. I also know that several newbie ALJs have transferred (or at least received approval of their transfer) from their initial station to highly desirable locations in the last two months. I think more ALJs are just putting a place holder request in as time goes on.
|
|
|
Post by mamaru on Aug 3, 2015 13:07:12 GMT -5
As I have been saying all along, interesting reading but not a good basis for decision-making.
|
|
|
Post by highlander9 on Aug 10, 2015 11:02:39 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the transfer process works differently at all within a region? As others have mentioned, circumstances have changed for some of us after two years. I have 2 cities remaining on my GAL that are in the same region. I live in one and the other is far enough away that I would not be able to commute every day. I recently interviewed and if I'm lucky enough to receive an offer I've been thinking about options should the assignment not be in my city of residence. I assume there would be no difference, but thought I would ask.
Thanks for all of the great information on this site!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 11:44:39 GMT -5
After a new group gets hired, they immediately register on the transfer list. This is called the Quickening. You'll know when you feel it. If an office has an opening, the collective bargaining agreement requires that those on the transfer list (wherever they are in the country) be offered the slot first before offering the slot to new ALJs. The transfer list, otherwise known as the Gathering, is a list of all judges who want to go to that particular office. Without getting technical, SSA contacts the first one on the list or the one who has been waiting to transfer the longest. If she declines, it goes to the second one on the list. In my office, the most recent transfer was 10th on the list out of 20 or so. I guess the first 9 did not want it bad enough and declined. Remember, there can be only one.
|
|
|
Post by highlander9 on Aug 10, 2015 12:03:58 GMT -5
Since you put it that way, I get it! Thank you.
|
|
|
Post by funkyodar on Aug 10, 2015 12:58:06 GMT -5
Actually, they don't immediately register for the transfer list. Once hired, you cannot ask to be on the list until you have served 90 days.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 13:16:38 GMT -5
good point, funkyodar.
|
|
|
Post by ba on Aug 11, 2015 11:13:53 GMT -5
Actually, they don't immediately register for the transfer list. Once hired, you cannot ask to be on the list until you have served 90 days. But you will spend 30 of those 90 at training in Falls Church.
|
|
|
Post by anotherfed on Aug 11, 2015 15:20:22 GMT -5
Okay, so the ALJ chicks spend the first 90 days Talking about going on the list and then get on it on the 91st day.
|
|
|
Post by papresqr on Aug 11, 2015 15:42:50 GMT -5
After a new group gets hired, they immediately register on the transfer list. This is called the Quickening. You'll know when you feel it. If an office has an opening, the collective bargaining agreement requires that those on the transfer list (wherever they are in the country) be offered the slot first before offering the slot to new ALJs. The transfer list, otherwise known as the Gathering, is a list of all judges who want to go to that particular office. Without getting technical, SSA contacts the first one on the list or the one who has been waiting to transfer the longest. If she declines, it goes to the second one on the list. In my office, the most recent transfer was 10th on the list out of 20 or so. I guess the first 9 did not want it bad enough and declined. Remember, there can be only one. Yes, but...did the other 9 lose their heads in the process?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 16:08:59 GMT -5
I believe they did! Obviously they were not ready to be the one.
|
|
|
Post by anotherfed on Aug 11, 2015 19:19:09 GMT -5
That's why they lose their heads ... everyone else is tired of hearing them talk about it ...
|
|