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Post by aljwishhope on Nov 8, 2015 0:22:24 GMT -5
Thank you 71stretch that answer really clarified
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Post by westernalj on Nov 8, 2015 10:46:43 GMT -5
I have it on good authority that Judge Allen said that ODAR is concerned because OPM won't tell them the number of names left on the register. And concerned that OPM is providing fewer names than previously for certain locations. To me, this softens the concern many have about the agency deciding that most candidates remaining on the register aren't qualified. At least based on this statement, ODAR may be more focused on ensuring they can timely satisfy the high hiring goals for the next few years.
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Post by christina on Nov 8, 2015 12:21:56 GMT -5
Is Judge Allen the Deputy ALJ? and for outsiders, this means the #2 judge at ODAR.
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Post by westernalj on Nov 8, 2015 12:47:47 GMT -5
Yes. My info is that he said it at one of the trainings last week.
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Post by lizdarcy on Nov 8, 2015 13:01:38 GMT -5
It looks to me as though there may be a misunderstanding about becoming an ALJ at an agency other than SSA or OMHA. Almost no agencies except SSA and OMHA hire ALJs directly off the register. Most of the other agencies hire only "sitting" ALJs. Therefore, you will have to be hired as an ALJ by SSA before you can be hired at most other federal agencies. It makes sense (to me, at least) that ALJs should be experienced in managing adversarial hearings where both parties are represented and the rules of evidence are used; settling cases before or after a hearing; responding to motions; and writing decisions. Litigation experience is a good indicator of success at agencies other than SSA. This is a link to the ODAR management structure. You will see where Judge Allen fits in: www.ssa.gov/org/dcdar.htm#&sb=0EDIT: I just realized that Judge Allen is not on that org chart. He is deputy to Judge Bice.
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Post by jessejames on Nov 8, 2015 15:04:40 GMT -5
Of course some applicants have State ALJ experience too. One would think that background would also be valuable too, for the SSA and other agencies.
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Post by ba on Nov 8, 2015 16:32:45 GMT -5
It looks to me as though there may be a misunderstanding about becoming an ALJ at an agency other than SSA or OMHA. Almost no agencies except SSA and OMHA hire ALJs directly off the register. Most of the other agencies hire only "sitting" ALJs. Therefore, you will have to be hired as an ALJ by SSA before you can be hired at most other federal agencies. It makes sense (to me, at least) that ALJs should be experienced in managing adversarial hearings where both parties are represented and the rules of evidence are used; settling cases before or after a hearing; responding to motions; and writing decisions. Litigation experience is a good indicator of success at agencies other than SSA. This is a link to the ODAR management structure. You will see where Judge Allen fits in: www.ssa.gov/org/dcdar.htm#&sb=0EDIT: I just realized that Judge Allen is not on that org chart. He is deputy to Judge Bice. Actually, there are agencies that will hire directly off the register. The problem is that vacancies at those agencies are so rare you are unlikely to ever hear from them.
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Post by Pixie on Nov 8, 2015 17:03:28 GMT -5
Yes, it is rare for other agencies to hire directly from the Register, but I believe our member Private Attorney received such an offer. Pix.
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Post by lizdarcy on Nov 8, 2015 19:17:16 GMT -5
I think litigation experience must include experience as a state/municipal ALJ and arbitrator. Otherwise, I would not have been hired. I have never worked as an advocate, but held adversarial hearings, wrote decisions and settled disputes as a neutral for a very long time before starting at ODAR.
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Post by gary on Nov 9, 2015 7:49:36 GMT -5
Today™!
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Post by madmansdad on Nov 9, 2015 11:51:40 GMT -5
I like that you are trademarking the "Today" prediction!
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Post by willsdad on Nov 9, 2015 11:54:49 GMT -5
It's a Gary thing, madmansdad!
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Post by phoenixrakkasan on Nov 9, 2015 14:12:14 GMT -5
No movement so far, I guess.
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Post by gary on Nov 9, 2015 14:58:00 GMT -5
I wonder if OPM was holding back on sending SSA the certs because it knew NORs for the Aug/Sapt testees would come out today.
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Post by beenlurking on Nov 9, 2015 15:21:03 GMT -5
I wonder if OPM was holding back on sending SSA the certs because it knew NORs for the Aug/Sapt testees would come out today. I think you're theory is correct.
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Post by keepsake on Nov 9, 2015 15:20:58 GMT -5
I am guessing yes.
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Post by willsdad on Nov 9, 2015 15:34:57 GMT -5
I wonder whether adding newcomers to the Register would significantly push back the new certs? I'm inclined to think it wouldn't.
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Post by beenlurking on Nov 9, 2015 15:57:05 GMT -5
I wonder whether adding newcomers to the Register would significantly push back the new certs? I'm inclined to think it wouldn't. It may depend on how many tested and received NOR's for that testing period and I don't know that number.
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Post by pumpkin on Nov 9, 2015 16:06:12 GMT -5
I wonder whether adding newcomers to the Register would significantly push back the new certs? I'm inclined to think it wouldn't. It may depend on how many tested and received NOR's for that testing period and I don't know that number. For testing the week of August 31st - September 4th, I peg the number of test-takers at 64. Add the number (unknown) who tested during the make-up date on September 14-15, and my best guess is no more than 100 who participated in the WD/LBMT/SI in the Aug/Sept group. Anyone who has data to the contrary or spots a flaw in my analysis, please feel free to correct me!
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Post by pumpkin on Nov 9, 2015 16:14:59 GMT -5
"New" Register? I realize this board is comprised of attorneys who like to analyze the semantics of OPM ammouncements, so I thought I would share with you that my second (of three) e-mails from OPM today (this one was captioned, "Understanding Your ALJ Final Numerical Rating") stated:
"As stated on the NOR, your name will be placed on the new register in order based on your final numerical rating. This list will be used as a source of names to make referrals to agencies for employment consideration."
The NOR e-mail, however, states, "your name (with your final numerical rating) will be placed on the register of eligible candidates used to make referrals to agencies for employment consideration." The NOR e-mail does not include the word "new" to describe the register.
Does adding the NORs of more recent test-takers make the register a "new" register?
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