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Post by luckylady2 on Feb 27, 2016 0:09:06 GMT -5
Yeah, sorry Blonde, the "external assessment" "complete" means that you finished the testing & interview stages.
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Post by vinc on Feb 27, 2016 10:31:23 GMT -5
I doubt it means anything but last week my external assessment changed from 2/11/2016 to 2/18/2016. So maybe they might be scoring still.
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Post by christina on Feb 27, 2016 10:42:10 GMT -5
last week?? that does mean something. last change i knew of until you said this was on 2-16 and i think a lot of people have the external assessment change on 2-18 that you noted. do you remember exactly when you noticed change? as in day of the week last week.
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Post by roggenbier on Feb 28, 2016 7:42:59 GMT -5
Mine changed on 2/11. The Details/Checklist have no importance to the final NOR. You will get an NOR that ranks you with a numerical score. I would guess it's coming soon and no later than 4/24/2016, which is the date it's due under my tab.
You need to realize that they made the original register in 2013 too small. ODAR could not fill its desired expansion, much less attrition.
Allowing people who have been previously declared ineligible in 2013 back into competition in the examination is a highly unusual move. They made the original 2013 register too small and are now scrambling to get enough candidates to fulfill their needs....OPM was embarrassed by SSA, a no-no in SES land. I doubt they are going to give anyone an outright "ineligible rating".
The rules have changed because of bureaucratic needs and in the favor of all us who tested.
Just one ignorant cusses opinion.
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Post by Serious, J. on Feb 28, 2016 8:27:48 GMT -5
Mine changed on 2/11. The Details/Checklist have no importance to the final NOR. You will get an NOR that ranks you with a numerical score. I would guess it's coming soon and no later than 4/24/2016, which is the date it's due under my tab. Just one ignorant cusses opinion. <groan>
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Post by gary on Feb 28, 2016 8:38:58 GMT -5
Theyll be into the refresh by then. I don't think OPM wants to be putting a bunch of people on the register, sending out all the score emails, explanation of scores emails, and appeal rights emails while they are also dealing with everything involved with the refresh.
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Post by gary on Feb 28, 2016 8:56:49 GMT -5
In addition, I think we'll see the next cert emails 4/25/2016. Before those are sent, OPM has to put together lists of eligibles and return certs, and SSA has to work its magic with the certs. That all takes some time, and OPM needs to have all you newbies added to the register before it can start.
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Post by Serious, J. on Feb 28, 2016 10:39:27 GMT -5
I sure hope we get the NORs in time to decide whether we should reapply.
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Post by gary on Feb 28, 2016 10:59:35 GMT -5
I'll be very surprised if you don't.
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Post by christina on Feb 28, 2016 11:15:11 GMT -5
i expect to see nors within next 2 weeks. just the gut sense of a long term govt employee in light of the new app opening up soon. Could be tomorrow even or by end of this week that we get a nor.
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Post by litigator52 on Feb 28, 2016 11:19:51 GMT -5
boy i hope you are right about the see details status being of no consequence!!!
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Post by roggenbier on Feb 28, 2016 18:18:01 GMT -5
I thinik the emphasis is on the soon part of the message and not by April,24. Bureaucrats like to give themselves margins by which to complete tasks. It makes them look better. I actually think the soon in my message is as early as tomorrow or the following week at least for us late October test takers.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Feb 28, 2016 19:16:08 GMT -5
I know of two people who had their status change to complete 2 days ago. Keep in mind all of this happens VERY slowly and they have to input this data as they process each person's info. So this will be an ongoing thing until they get all the data into the system for every person who tested last.
And not to put a damper on spirits but when the first large group who went through this for the new (this) register, we tested in August 2013 and Notice of Results (NOR meaning you have a score and are on the register) emails came out March 2014. That's 7 months between the SI/WD/LBMT and the NOR emails.
I repeat this again because for some reason, and I am not sure why, everyone is thinking NOR emails will come out any day. There is no intel on this at all and it is all based upon something nebulous connected to status changes. Stay calm, keep hope, but don't get too wrapped up in it. Even WHEN the NOR emails start, it is still a long process. You have to make a certificate, have an interview with an agency, pass that gauntlet, and be the top 3 for a city, and beat out the other two to get a call. Many many worthy people on this board have been on every certificate since this register started with the application in March 2013 and they are still waiting on the call....
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Post by JudgeRatty on Feb 28, 2016 19:19:14 GMT -5
And the whole "see details" versus "complete" thing was discussed at great length the last time we had a big group and the bottom line is the "see details" is the kiss of death, and the "complete" is what you want to see. Sorry folks, but just passing along what we all finally figured out in 2014.
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Post by 71stretch on Feb 28, 2016 19:20:23 GMT -5
I know of two people who had their status change to complete 2 days ago. Keep in mind all of this happens VERY slowly and they have to input this data as they process each person's info. So this will be an ongoing thing until they get all the data into the system for every person who tested last. And not to put a damper on spirits but when the first large group who went through this for the new (this) register, we tested in August 2013 and Notice of Results (NOR meaning you have a score and are on the register) emails came out March 2014. That's 7 months between the SI/WD/LBMT and the NOR emails. I repeat this again because for some reason, and I am not sure why, everyone is thinking NOR emails will come out any day. There is no intel on this at all and it is all based upon something nebulous connected to status changes. Stay calm, keep hope, but don't get too wrapped up in it. Even WHEN the NOR emails start, it is still a long process. You have to make a certificate, have an interview with an agency, pass that gauntlet, and be the top 3 for a city, and beat out the other two to get a call. Many many worthy people on this board have been on every certificate since this register started with the application in March 2013 and they are still waiting on the call.... And many longer than that... I'm not just speaking for myself
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Post by JudgeRatty on Feb 28, 2016 19:29:58 GMT -5
I know of two people who had their status change to complete 2 days ago. Keep in mind all of this happens VERY slowly and they have to input this data as they process each person's info. So this will be an ongoing thing until they get all the data into the system for every person who tested last. And not to put a damper on spirits but when the first large group who went through this for the new (this) register, we tested in August 2013 and Notice of Results (NOR meaning you have a score and are on the register) emails came out March 2014. That's 7 months between the SI/WD/LBMT and the NOR emails. I repeat this again because for some reason, and I am not sure why, everyone is thinking NOR emails will come out any day. There is no intel on this at all and it is all based upon something nebulous connected to status changes. Stay calm, keep hope, but don't get too wrapped up in it. Even WHEN the NOR emails start, it is still a long process. You have to make a certificate, have an interview with an agency, pass that gauntlet, and be the top 3 for a city, and beat out the other two to get a call. Many many worthy people on this board have been on every certificate since this register started with the application in March 2013 and they are still waiting on the call.... And many longer than that... I'm not just speaking for myself Absolutely! VERY good point. MANY people, very worthy skilled people, wait a very long time to finally get the call. Those who make it through the first application, on the first certificate, well, all I can say is they had something incredible on their resume. I will say this again, in my class we had those with judge experience, most with over 20 years litigation, many hard core fast paced practices with large volume, and some who were elected officials. Outstanding resumes. If it were not for the fact that I was a known quantity, a proven track record with ODAR as a senior attorney, I may not have made the cut.
I was quite humbled by my classmates. So even when you do not get an offer after making a certificate, think of it like this...that person who did get the call had one more gold star than you did... NOT that you were not good enough. Far from it. This pool of people, the folks who make it to the register.... are all outstanding candidates.
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Post by bac on Feb 28, 2016 19:47:17 GMT -5
Thanks Judgeratty, after this long I might make it two martinis
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Post by Serious, J. on Feb 28, 2016 20:26:26 GMT -5
Thanks Judge Ratty.
I believe there actually was intel posted about a month ago that NORs would be released in mid-February. Not sure which thread I read that in, but it seemed to be more than mere speculation. Of course, it could have been "no earlier than mid-February," or something to that effect, or the person passing on the intel might have heard incorrectly. So the expectation that NORs are imminent is based on more than some people seeing status changes.
Of course, we will receive the NORs when they are released and not sooner than that. We will, or will not, make the register, and we will, or will not, be hired. What makes me (and possibly others) think things could move more quickly this time is the need to hire more ALJs, and soon.
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Post by odarSAA on Feb 28, 2016 21:03:50 GMT -5
Someone said their application manager says due by 04/24/2016, but mine says due by 04/24/2015... So, this is of no consequence.
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Post by funkyodar on Feb 29, 2016 9:56:38 GMT -5
I've been hesitant to post my thoughts in this thread. I don't want to give hope unduly, but would hate to squash it without evidence. So, to post a theory seems cruel. After all, I was one of the main "'Complete' means you made it and 'SDT' means you are sunk" cadre back in 2013/14. Turns out that was right. Then.
And, there is much wisdom in sealaw's post that SDT has always been bad and they wouldn't change horses in the middle of the stream. JudgeRatty echoes that thought, again with pretty decent evidence to support the conclusion that those with SDT are doomed to the cut pile.
Also, the argument that they have such a great need for a larger register they wouldn't cut too many at this stage, so SDT must not be bad, is unconvincing. There is a minimum score on the SI and WD. I would hazard a guess that the individual minimum scores for those components are the same as they were for the first group. If they suddenly reduced the minimum and a FOIA act request revealed that reduction, I would think the 20-25% of the first rounders cut at the DC phase would have one helluva cause of action.
So, the arguments made that SDT is bad seem convincing. Must be bad now, cause it always has been.
Except it hasn't. OPM did indeed pick a new horse right smack dab in the middle of a roaring creek. Think about it.
Every single one of the folks in the second chance club got SDT before and were "cut" only to later be moved on. So, was SDT bad for them? Yep, but not fatal.
Could it be the real harbinger of full and final register dream death this time? Yes, it could. But it could also just be a data entry delay, another example of opm and app manager not synching, or nothing at all. You will either make the register or not. You will either get a numerical score in your NOR or a NOR that says you failed to meet the minimum score on the SI, WD or both. That is when you will know if you got shoved off the train or if you get to see a few more sites and maybe, after a lot more hoop jumping and torturous waiting, get to see ALJ land. You simply cannot tell from a status in App Manager. So why put any faith, add any stress or take any false tea leave readings from it? Waiting for the NOR is hard, but I assure you all that you have much harder waits ahead. Get cut and you will agonize over the wait for the appeal ruling or have to go thru the application process all over again from the start at the refresh. Get a score and you will wait for certs, wait for interviews, wait for offer calls. Maybe many times.
71stretch has said it many times and if anyone knows she should: live your life, try and put this process to the back of your mind and only think about it when you have to jump thru another hoop. It's hard to do, but just might keep you sane.
Good luck everyone,
Funky
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