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Post by tallgreenfrog on Apr 25, 2009 13:45:35 GMT -5
If you tell me the cities you had, i can check on my cert list ... I chose a lot. It would be telling if it turned out that none of your choices ended up having spots available. t
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Post by privateatty on Apr 25, 2009 16:20:06 GMT -5
The short answer is yes. Much more so if you are an insider that SSA wants. I disagree with PA because any September cert will likely be for a smaller number of positions than this first one. Remember that OPM only sends over 3x the number of openings on a cert. It does not matter if ODAR wants someone or not, they cannot hire someone whose score is not sufficiently high for them to get onto a cert. Not on the cert equals not eligible for consideration by the hiring agency. If the score isn't high enough to make a large cert then it certainly won't be high enough to get onto a much smaller cert later in the year. Removing 100 or so people from the register won't help someone to move up sufficiently high if the next cert is only for 40 or 50 openings. Simple math, 3x100=300 but 3x50 is only 150 so a smaller cert does not reach as far down the register as a large one. Sorry Bina and anyone whose score didn't get them onto this large cert. Rework your application materials now and try again in 2010 or hope for another large cert before the register gets scrapped. Yeah, my boo-boo. I'm sorry, bina, that I gave you wrong info. You do need to be on a cert. That will teach me to post before I'm sufficiently caffeinated!
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Post by Propmaster on Apr 27, 2009 13:59:02 GMT -5
I am not as up in the inside scoop as some of you all, but during my interview, I had the impression that they were interviewing a total of 320 this week and next, and that there would be two classes this Summer (elsewhere on this Board we have heard 3?), with a possible class in September. How many were in each "class" last year, for training? Also, I was told we should hear in early May (followed by a slight disclaimer that these things take time). In another thread, it was mentioned that the three classe of fifty from last year would probably be turned into two classes of 75 this year.
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Post by outtadodge on Apr 27, 2009 14:21:47 GMT -5
I happened upon a link to a Nov. 2008 discussion (3 Strikes) which suggested that if you were considered and passed over in 2008, even though you made the cert again, ODAR is not re-considering you. Sorry to "bring up the past," but I lost interest and stopped paying attention after being "on the cert" twice last year without being selected. The answer to this question will let know whether I can stop repeatedly checking this board, and go buy a Mega millions ticket. Any insight provided would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by northwest on Apr 27, 2009 14:52:35 GMT -5
I happened upon a link to a Nov. 2008 discussion (3 Strikes) which suggested that if you were considered and passed over in 2008, even though you made the cert again, ODAR is not re-considering you. Sorry to "bring up the past," but I lost interest and stopped paying attention after being "on the cert" twice last year without being selected. The answer to this question will let know whether I can stop repeatedly checking this board, and go buy a Mega millions ticket. Any insight provided would be greatly appreciated. This is my understanding: The "3 strike" rule is optional. The agency is not required to consider someone anymore if it has already considered and rejected the person 3 times. However, it may choose to consider the person dozens of times. So I would not feel discouraged even if I knew I'd been considered and rejected 3 or more times. There may be different things they're giving weight to this time around, or maybe they'll see the light and recognize that you're the candidate they want!
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Post by privateatty on Apr 27, 2009 15:11:52 GMT -5
I happened upon a link to a Nov. 2008 discussion (3 Strikes) which suggested that if you were considered and passed over in 2008, even though you made the cert again, ODAR is not re-considering you. Sorry to "bring up the past," but I lost interest and stopped paying attention after being "on the cert" twice last year without being selected. The answer to this question will let know whether I can stop repeatedly checking this board, and go buy a Mega millions ticket. Any insight provided would be greatly appreciated. Did you get on this cert, outtadodge?
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Post by outtadodge on Apr 27, 2009 15:18:34 GMT -5
There were also references to contact jagghagg in a pm if one had been passed up twice before. I hesitate to do this since these postings were in November and because I have not seen any recent postings from her. Anyone have some enlightenment to share either on the board or in a pm???
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Post by outtadodge on Apr 27, 2009 15:25:57 GMT -5
[quote author=outtadodge Did you get on this cert, outtadodge? Yes, this one and the last two.
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Post by ssaer on Apr 27, 2009 15:49:21 GMT -5
There were also references to contact jagghagg in a pm if one had been passed up twice before. I hesitate to do this since these postings were in November and because I have not seen any recent postings from her. Jagghagg has posted as recently as this morning.
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Post by privateatty on Apr 27, 2009 16:30:25 GMT -5
[quote author=outtadodge Did you get on this cert, outtadodge? Yes, this one and the last two. Well, then, technically you're being considered for this round of hiring in 2009. As to how it works in practice at Puzzle Palace (home of the Chief ALJ), I dunno. jagghagg knows as much and probably more, as anybody who posts.
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Post by jagghagg on Apr 27, 2009 17:01:29 GMT -5
Yeah, and I'm not dead ........yet Although there are those who have had such HIGH hopes... What do ya wanna know, exactly?
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Post by okeydokey on Apr 27, 2009 17:15:22 GMT -5
Yes, this one and the last two. Well, then, technically you're being considered for this round of hiring in 2009. As to how it works in practice at Puzzle Palace (home of the Chief ALJ), I dunno. jagghagg knows as much and probably more, as anybody who posts. You are being considered, I guess, unless the openings you applied for were filled by transfers...
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Post by outtadodge on Apr 27, 2009 17:22:49 GMT -5
Yeah, and I'm not dead ........yet Although there are those who have had such HIGH hopes... What do ya wanna know, exactly? LOL Hi Jagghagg! I didn't think you were dead! Just asleep. Personal message to follow.
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Post by traceb on Apr 28, 2009 10:16:00 GMT -5
I had a fairly high score, but limited my geographic location to the three offices in Oklahoma, OKC, Tulsa and McAlester. I didn't make the cert. But; I suppose there is always hope for the fall or next year. I'd be interested to know if there were any positions open in Oklahoma this time around, how many transfers in/out etc. Might give me a clue if I just wasted my time, effort and money.
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Post by Propmaster on Apr 28, 2009 11:26:38 GMT -5
I happened upon a link to a Nov. 2008 discussion (3 Strikes) which suggested that if you were considered and passed over in 2008, even though you made the cert again, ODAR is not re-considering you. Sorry to "bring up the past," but I lost interest and stopped paying attention after being "on the cert" twice last year without being selected. The answer to this question will let know whether I can stop repeatedly checking this board, and go buy a Mega millions ticket. Any insight provided would be greatly appreciated. ODAR may pass over a candidate they have previously considered three times, whether or not it is the same cert. However, they do not have to. There are actually two very important reasons why you should not give up hope, to the best of my understanding. First of all, your cities might have gone earlier in earlier certs, leading to higher candidates outranking you compared to what could happen if, this time, your cities are considered last. Second, you might have been a victim of maneuvering in the past to get "highly desirable" candidates with low scores. Assuming ODAR practices this technique (which appears to me to be allowable, if of questionable compliance with the "sprirt" of the rule), you might have been someone who it was necessary be passed over as a way of minimizing the candidates that needed to be considered, and allowing consideration of a lower scored candidate. If that candidate is not a factor (presumably, they were picked), your position may not be affected, and you are up for essentially new consideration. On the other hand, only you know if you have some flaw (or poor reference) that would make ODAR affirmatively avoid you. I wish you the best of luck.
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Post by outtadodge on Apr 28, 2009 12:10:52 GMT -5
I happened upon a link to a Nov. 2008 discussion (3 Strikes) which suggested that if you were considered and passed over in 2008, even though you made the cert again, ODAR is not re-considering you. Sorry to "bring up the past," but I lost interest and stopped paying attention after being "on the cert" twice last year without being selected. The answer to this question will let know whether I can stop repeatedly checking this board, and go buy a Mega millions ticket. Any insight provided would be greatly appreciated. ODAR may pass over a candidate they have previously considered three times, whether or not it is the same cert. However, they do not have to. There are actually two very important reasons why you should not give up hope, to the best of my understanding. First of all, your cities might have gone earlier in earlier certs, leading to higher candidates outranking you compared to what could happen if, this time, your cities are considered last. Second, you might have been a victim of maneuvering in the past to get "highly desirable" candidates with low scores. Assuming ODAR practices this technique (which appears to me to be allowable, if of questionable compliance with the "sprirt" of the rule), you might have been someone who it was necessary be passed over as a way of minimizing the candidates that needed to be considered, and allowing consideration of a lower scored candidate. If that candidate is not a factor (presumably, they were picked), your position may not be affected, and you are up for essentially new consideration. On the other hand, only you know if you have some flaw (or poor reference) that would make ODAR affirmatively avoid you. I wish you the best of luck. Propmaster, thanks for the info and encouragement. Best of luck, karma, wishes, etc. to all
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2009 15:18:00 GMT -5
Hey All,
There was a question in a previous post back on page 1 that I don't think got addressed.
We assume, or some assume anyway, SSA will make offers to about 150 people in a few weeks, and train them in two classes of 75 each in July and August, AND, we understand that there will be an additional round of hiring of around 50 for September.
If OPM provided SSA with a cert of about 450 people for about 150 slots, your chance of getting an offer is, very roughly, 33%. Basically, without considering geography or veteran's preference, you have to beat two other candidates. Of course, depending on how the big board is run, you may get several bites at the apple, i.e. several chances to beat two other candidates. Right?
However, the question from above had to do with whether SSA will hire the additional 55 from the existing cert, or will it ask OPM for another one?
If you don't make the hire in a few weeks, you still have a chance in September. However, 55 hires out of the remaining 300 candidates is a tough climb. Only 16%. But, If SSA asks for a new cert, 55 hires out of 160 candidates brings us back to 33%, roughly.
Here's some math to make you feel better, however. If SSA hires 150 now and another 50 in September, that's approximately 200 hires for this year. If SSA uses the same cert of 450 for all hires, 200 hires out of 450 candidates is a robust 44.44% chance of drawing an offer. If it works that way, I feel a little better.
Of course, the above could be, and probably is, complete rubbish. My apologies.
Thirteen days until "the week of May 11th."
R
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Post by counselor95 on Apr 28, 2009 21:33:11 GMT -5
If the openings for the Sept. hire (the second, smaller hire) are in different locations from those on the present cert., SSA would have to request a new cert. and consider additional people (possibly with lower scores but the requisite location).
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Post by morgullord on Apr 29, 2009 8:41:00 GMT -5
Good to see you again, Counselor95! I hope it is everything you wanted it to be.
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Post by dragonfly on Apr 29, 2009 15:25:33 GMT -5
Question: what about the qualified 2007-08 people? Are they already merged by OPM into the current cert list, or does SSA merge people after scoring up the 2009 interviewees? Put in another way, is the 450-person cert list a merger of people from last year's cert or not?
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