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Jun 3, 2013 17:59:15 GMT -5
Post by goldenticket on Jun 3, 2013 17:59:15 GMT -5
As I read somewhere on some other thread, this process requires Zen-like patience. Take your positions and breath, OMMMMMMM. No matter, it is all good. We will know something soon.
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Jun 4, 2013 8:11:13 GMT -5
Post by bartleby on Jun 4, 2013 8:11:13 GMT -5
Friends, according to rumors that came from a meeting yesterday with an Deputy Chief Judge, there will probably not be a small Cert after all. Any excess funding will be used for the operations side or field offices. Further, the new application process is a shambles and hundreds if not thousands of appeals have been filed already. OPM has not decided what it will do about this situation and is reconsidering the process.. This is a mess. I had been on the optimistic side regarding the small Cert as we have continued to have funding for overtime. Further, the DCJ noted that quality was more important than numbers and if a Judge couldn't do the 500-700 then they needed to do what they could while maintaining quality. This is probably a result of the recent Union v. Agency lawsuit.. I hope I may be wrong, but this could be why we have had the unexpected delay in the hiring of the 30. He did say they were ready to go with it, but no funds.. I am sorry.
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Jun 4, 2013 8:31:05 GMT -5
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Post by cinderella on Jun 4, 2013 8:31:05 GMT -5
How does this new information match up with what Colvin and Sklar reportedly said at NOSSCR two weeks ago? Namely that the money was there and they expected to make offers soon?
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Jun 4, 2013 8:44:16 GMT -5
Post by bartleby on Jun 4, 2013 8:44:16 GMT -5
From what I understand, it is all in place and set to go, but they can't get the money.. It makes no sense to me. We are paying overtime to employees on Saturday now. We have a shortage of ALJ's. It sounds like the ol' catch 22. We saved our money so we don't have to furlough. Since we have money, they are cutting some of our funding and now we don't have money.. And I don't think they will ever tell you that it is over. They will just announce a new Cert someday and that will extinguish the old one.. And by the way, Patiently, I love the kitty.
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Jun 4, 2013 8:48:50 GMT -5
Post by lurker/dibs on Jun 4, 2013 8:48:50 GMT -5
bartleby, does this mean that they will start all over for the new application process? Will those of us who are waiting to hear about the next round have to start all over? Surely they won't scrap all that is already done....any thoughts?
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Post by cmet8 on Jun 4, 2013 8:58:09 GMT -5
I was told by a reliable source within the last few weeks they still intend to hire from the current cert by the end of the year. Given the problems that have been mentioned here with the new registry that seems to make sense, but who knows.
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Jun 4, 2013 9:02:45 GMT -5
Post by bartleby on Jun 4, 2013 9:02:45 GMT -5
I would hope not, but they have added several steps to the old process and it would appear that at every step, 100's will be eliminated and since lawyers be lawyers, there will be 100's if not 1,000's of appeals and I am not sure that they can handle it. I just don't have enough information at this point. I will tell you that we need ALJ's and we will need a bunch by/in 2014. If the Agency is moving priority over to the field office/operation side of things, it could be bad for us. A lot of field offices aren't open 40 hours a week and noise is being made at the legislative level. Astrue, good, bad, or indifferent, emphasized the ODAR side of the game, so I really don't know what is going on now or will happen. They can still do the small Cert, but they are not being too promising at this time.. JMHO, as usual..
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Jun 4, 2013 9:11:28 GMT -5
Post by lurker/dibs on Jun 4, 2013 9:11:28 GMT -5
I was not around the last time there was a lawsuit regarding the hiring process. But I do know that the lawsuit delayed hiring for years. Do you, or anyone, know if they hired from those that were put through during the suit-inducing hiring process? What I am fishing for is: if the new hiring process is deemed a failure/illegal in any way/etc would those who made it through still be eligible to be hired?
Just curious if I need to stop checking my email every day to see if I made it to the next round...I do understand everything is pure speculation at this point.
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Post by cmet8 on Jun 4, 2013 9:24:20 GMT -5
It was totally frozen to anyone other than veterans.
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Jun 4, 2013 9:35:54 GMT -5
Post by johnx on Jun 4, 2013 9:35:54 GMT -5
It was totally frozen to anyone other than veterans. What exactly was totally frozen to anyone other than veterans?
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Jun 4, 2013 10:07:36 GMT -5
Post by hod on Jun 4, 2013 10:07:36 GMT -5
bartleby, does this mean that they will start all over for the new application process? Will those of us who are waiting to hear about the next round have to start all over? Surely they won't scrap all that is already done....any thoughts? They will full steam ahead with the new application process and eventually create a register and cert from the process. It is always possible that some lawsuit will freeze the new register from this application process, but that is just like anything else-nothing is promised or written in stone. For now-everyone who as been moved up in the application process should continue to move forward. The uncertainty is part of the "fun." Try not to let it disrupt your life too much. (Easy to say-I know). Good Luck.
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Post by cmet8 on Jun 4, 2013 10:09:48 GMT -5
I was not around the last time there was a lawsuit regarding the hiring process. But I do know that the lawsuit delayed hiring for years. Do you, or anyone, know if they hired from those that were put through during the suit-inducing hiring process? What I am fishing for is: if the new hiring process is deemed a failure/illegal in any way/etc would those who made it through still be eligible to be hired? Just curious if I need to stop checking my email every day to see if I made it to the next round...I do understand everything is pure speculation at this point. I was responding to the above when I said it was frozen to anyone but vets.
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Jun 4, 2013 10:12:06 GMT -5
Post by hod on Jun 4, 2013 10:12:06 GMT -5
It was totally frozen to anyone other than veterans. What exactly was totally frozen to anyone other than veterans? The hiring process was closed during the law suit, but vets were still eligible to apply anytime and be considered regardless of the law suit.
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Jun 4, 2013 10:21:03 GMT -5
Post by hopingforalj on Jun 4, 2013 10:21:03 GMT -5
Thanks HOD, it gives me hope that my review of logic might pay off, if I am lucky enough to make it to the third round.
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Jun 4, 2013 10:22:33 GMT -5
Post by chinook on Jun 4, 2013 10:22:33 GMT -5
All veterans are not eligible, just 10 point veterans.
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Jun 4, 2013 10:40:04 GMT -5
Post by 71stretch on Jun 4, 2013 10:40:04 GMT -5
Nice to know that OPM and SSA/ODAR can see that the register process is a shambles. We can all certainly see that from what's been posted on this board. Those of you on the cert can just take a deep breath and focus on the job and life you have now. For those of you who are new to this, it's hard, I know... And I love the kitty too.
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Post by tmgesq on Jun 4, 2013 11:08:10 GMT -5
I can't believe they aren't going forward with the small hire...so many rumors... I wish someone would provide us with an official position on all of this one way or the other!
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Jun 4, 2013 11:28:57 GMT -5
Post by hod on Jun 4, 2013 11:28:57 GMT -5
A comment on an official position would require an official position. As you can see the entire operation rides on rumors, leaks, guesses, and speculation. No matter what is said today,tomorrow can be different. I think that the powers enjoy the flexibility of keeping everything in an uproar.
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Jun 4, 2013 11:33:41 GMT -5
Post by bartleby on Jun 4, 2013 11:33:41 GMT -5
To take an offical position requires acceptance of responsibilty, and that incurs liability.
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Jun 4, 2013 12:10:45 GMT -5
Post by johnx on Jun 4, 2013 12:10:45 GMT -5
nice find, but a tough read. basically, what i get out of it is that OPM is not necessarily always at fault here; it seems to me that every time they try to take a position, someone on the other side of the position uses litigation or political leverage to force it another way. just my cursory read, i know the devil's in the details.
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