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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Jan 13, 2015 10:15:54 GMT -5
If you look at the polling data on the cities on the GALs of those who had the first January interviews scheduled, it was a mathematical certainty that they were interviewing at least a couple of people who only had CA cities on their GALs. Assuming they don't schedule interviews for someone unless there is a chance that person could be actually considered for a placement, it was thought that they were actually contemplating hiring for CA. Combined with SAAAO's intel (above) it seems to be a reasonable conclusion. No, I haven't seen anything more formal or specific about CA openings.
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Post by 71stretch on Jan 13, 2015 10:26:30 GMT -5
Well, again, I only had western cities on my GAL when I interviewed in November. I'm willing to bet that ODAR knew those cities were off the table before we did, and interviewed anyway. They may in fact hire for those cities in the near future. To say they are in play for imminent hire is pure conjecture. Which this board seems to revel in more and more, and frankly, it's getting old. What will happen will happen. Back to real life.
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Post by thankful1 on Jan 13, 2015 10:49:58 GMT -5
Well, again, I only had western cities on my GAL when I interviewed in November. I'm willing to bet that ODAR knew those cities were off the table before we did, and interviewed anyway. They may in fact hire for those cities in the near future. To say they are in play for imminent hire is pure conjecture. Which this board seems to revel in more and more, and frankly, it's getting old. What will happen will happen. Back to real life. Thankfully we all have the ability to spot conjecture, and make our own assessment of its value. Given that there is absolutely zero "official" information provided to candidates regarding virtually every aspect of this process, I'm grateful for both the hard and soft information provided on this board. Without a doubt what will happen will happen, but until it happens, I don't think its unreasonable to try to make whatever sense can be made of this process. Wild Ass Guesses get discussed and refined. Insiders often provide valuable insight, and, every now and then, really good intel. Its appreciated. It often makes me really crazy, particularly as I see spots I had hoped for filled, but at least its something. I'd probably be happier not knowing this board existed, but i'm wiser for having read it. Just another one of life's tradeoffs, I guess.
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Post by gary on Jan 13, 2015 10:51:20 GMT -5
I basically agree with you Sandi. I can't see them scheduling interviews with people whose GALs only include locations for which they know they won't be hiring. That said, there is certainly the possibility that they do interview people for locations in which they might hire even if the probability of hiring there is relatively low. There is also the possibility that subsequent events occur which cause them not to hire in some locations for which they interviewed.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Jan 13, 2015 11:08:59 GMT -5
Well, again, I only had western cities on my GAL when I interviewed in November. I'm willing to bet that ODAR knew those cities were off the table before we did, and interviewed anyway. They may in fact hire for those cities in the near future. To say they are in play for imminent hire is pure conjecture. Which this board seems to revel in more and more, and frankly, it's getting old. What will happen will happen. Back to real life. Thankfully we all have the ability to spot conjecture, and make our own assessment of its value. Given that there is absolutely zero "official" information provided to candidates regarding virtually every aspect of this process, I'm grateful for both the hard and soft information provided on this board. Without a doubt what will happen will happen, but until it happens, I don't think its unreasonable to try to make whatever sense can be made of this process. Wild Ass Guesses get discussed and refined. Insiders often provide valuable insight, and, every now and then, really good intel. Its appreciated. It often makes me really crazy, particularly as I see spots I had hoped for filled, but at least its something. I'd probably be happier not knowing this board existed, but i'm wiser for having read it. Just another one of life's tradeoffs, I guess. AGREE!
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Post by Gaidin on Jan 13, 2015 11:32:02 GMT -5
Thankfully we all have the ability to spot conjecture, and make our own assessment of its value. Given that there is absolutely zero "official" information provided to candidates regarding virtually every aspect of this process, I'm grateful for both the hard and soft information provided on this board. Without a doubt what will happen will happen, but until it happens, I don't think its unreasonable to try to make whatever sense can be made of this process. Wild Ass Guesses get discussed and refined. Insiders often provide valuable insight, and, every now and then, really good intel. Its appreciated. It often makes me really crazy, particularly as I see spots I had hoped for filled, but at least its something. I'd probably be happier not knowing this board existed, but i'm wiser for having read it. Just another one of life's tradeoffs, I guess. AGREE! I couldn't agree more. I am fine if someone wants to disregard my SWAG. But aren't we all here for the guesses? Real solid intel comes in from time to time although even that has proven wrong sometimes. I read stuff here sometimes that I think is wrong in whole or in part. Generally, though I feel better informed for reading the guesses and assumptions and sifting them than I would ignoring it all. My current SWAG is based on the time constraints. ODAR can't afford to spend to many interview days interviewing candidates for offices they will never fill. Will they fill all those west coast offices in the near future probably not BUT they scheduled those people to come in for interviews in January instead of people for other offices for a reason. Lets be clear its better for me if they don't hire a single soul in California, Florida, or Oklahoma. None of those places is on my GAL although I wish some of them were. So right or wrong I am not making the case out of wishful thinking.
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Post by ok1956 on Jan 13, 2015 11:39:08 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. I am fine if someone wants to disregard my SWAG. But aren't we all here for the guesses? Real solid intel comes in from time to time although even that is proven wrong sometimes. I read stuff here from to time that I think is wrong in whole or in part. Generally, though I feel better informed for reading the guesses and assumptions and sifting them than I would ignoring it all. My current SWAG is based on the time constraints.  ODAR can't afford to spend to many interview days interviewing candidates for offices they will never fill.  Will they fill all those west coast offices in the near future probably not BUT they scheduled those people to come in for interviews in January instead of people for other offices for a reason.  Lets be clear its better for me if they don't hire a single soul in California, Florida, or Oklahoma.  None of those places is on my GAL although I wish some of them were. So right or wrong I am not making the case out of wishful thinking. Hey! Let's not lump Oklahoma in there! :-)
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Post by saaao on Jan 13, 2015 11:40:12 GMT -5
I think it is worth remembering that ODAR is clearly flying by the seat of their pants and changing things on the fly, so while the data that has been collected up to this point is not useless, I don't think it is telling us as much as it did even for the first certificate hires. The information I was given about hiring for California was second hand and told to me in November which by now is ancient. But the March class is by no means filled and quite few cities, mostly western cities, from the November certificates have not completed interviews. We will know more in a couple of weeks, but I think offers for cities from the November certificate will resume after the interviews are completed, and I think that quite a few California and other western cities will get hires. ODAR might dangle one or two popular cities out just to put a toe in the water, but locking down a whole state for transfers for that purpose is not in their interest, particularly in a very populous state with federal retirement season going on.
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Post by 71stretch on Jan 13, 2015 12:50:22 GMT -5
They have not locked down the entire state. There are many cities in CA who were not on the certs from last fall and remain open to transfer. More open cities than closed there, in fact.
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Post by saaao on Jan 13, 2015 15:49:39 GMT -5
That is correct but they have locked down six, including L.A and Pasadena. Stockton is very economically depressed and as a result is likely a high volume office, the rest I have no knowledge of. Those are offices they would like to keep fully staffed. While I could see them perhaps dangling just L.A. or Pasadena out there to see who is on the register, putting all those offices out there (and as a result preventing transfers to replace attrition) suggests they serious about filling all or some of them, or at least were serious when they started scheduling interviews. Things have been changing on the fly and it is also possible that they decided after scheduling that they would not hire, but had to go through with the interviews to prevent issues with OPM. In a matter of weeks we will find out one way or another. Personally I have no dog in the fight as I eliminated almost everything West of the Rockies from my GAL. Like everything else here you can accept or reject the analysis. It's all intended for entertainment purposes, successful results are not typical and individual results may vary.
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Post by Gaidin on Jan 13, 2015 16:05:11 GMT -5
I look back to August when a bunch of folks on the 1st cert were beat down by the process. I know we all want this job and for all of us wannabes the brass ring seems just out of reach. You can let that distance become a million miles in your head or you can keep dreaming the big dream. I chose to do what Joe Perry says. However, maybe you want to listen to what I said in August. The offer still stands. aljdiscussion.proboards.com/post/62082/thread
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Post by moopigsdad on Jan 13, 2015 16:17:54 GMT -5
I look back to August when a bunch of folks on the 1st cert were beat down by the process. I know we all want this job and for all of us wannabes the brass ring seems just out of reach. You can let that distance become a million miles in your head or you can keep dreaming the big dream. I chose to do what Joe Perry says. However, maybe you want to listen to what I said in August. The offer still stands. aljdiscussion.proboards.com/post/62082/threadMy only problem with the song is that the band had no idea of the city of Detroit and ended up using lyrics which made no sense. If they said the south side of Detroit it would have been okay or if they said East Detroit, it would have been okay, but South Detroit makes no sense. LOL! By the way, Gaidin we will revisit how you feel if you are not hired as an ALJ by mid-Summer. I think all our moods will change to a slightly different tune, if we are not hired by that time.
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Jan 13, 2015 16:23:39 GMT -5
C'mon, MPD. It makes perfect sense, because the reflex is in charge of finding treasure in the dark.
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Post by Gaidin on Jan 13, 2015 16:32:36 GMT -5
I look back to August when a bunch of folks on the 1st cert were beat down by the process. I know we all want this job and for all of us wannabes the brass ring seems just out of reach. You can let that distance become a million miles in your head or you can keep dreaming the big dream. I chose to do what Joe Perry says. However, maybe you want to listen to what I said in August. The offer still stands. aljdiscussion.proboards.com/post/62082/threadMy only problem with the song is that the band had no idea of the city of Detroit and ended up using lyrics which made no sense. If they said the south side of Detroit it would have been okay or if they said East Detroit, it would have been okay, but South Detroit makes no sense. LOL! By the way, Gaidin we will revisit how you feel if you are not hired as an ALJ by mid-Summer. I think all our moods will change to a slightly different tune, if we are not hired by that time. MPD I won't deny that this is taking an emotional toll. Every new hire that isn't me is a sting. However, the reality is I other than the money I spent going to DC I am not really out very much and the chance at the job is worth the risk. I bought a lottery ticket with way better odds than most. I hope it pays out for myself and the others here on the Board but not getting hired won't be the worst thing that happens to me.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jan 13, 2015 16:47:06 GMT -5
My only problem with the song is that the band had no idea of the city of Detroit and ended up using lyrics which made no sense. If they said the south side of Detroit it would have been okay or if they said East Detroit, it would have been okay, but South Detroit makes no sense. LOL! By the way, Gaidin we will revisit how you feel if you are not hired as an ALJ by mid-Summer. I think all our moods will change to a slightly different tune, if we are not hired by that time. MPD I won't deny that this is taking an emotional toll. Every new hire that isn't me is a sting. However, the reality is I other than the money I spent going to DC I am not really out very much and the chance at the job is worth the risk. I bought a lottery ticket with way better odds than most. I hope it pays out for myself and the others here on the Board but not getting hired won't be the worst thing that happens to me. I don't disagree as we all came into it knowing our odds were long and there were no guarantees. However, as you stated, it takes an emotional toll on each of us with every new hire which doesn't include our name. Will I survive if not hired? Of course I will. Will I be disappointed? Of course I will. It's the nature of the competitiveness of any of us in this marathon. If you are not disappointed in not being hired, then you probably shouldn't have applied for the position in the first place. As they say in France, at least I tried my best and if it isn't meant to be, then c'est la vie.
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Post by Gaidin on Jan 13, 2015 17:09:03 GMT -5
Essayons
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Post by ibnlurkin on Jan 14, 2015 11:47:05 GMT -5
I'm a little jealous(lol) of people on the new Charlottesville cert but having left it off my GAL I can't complain. !!
I have a low score and a 10 City GAL.... I was lucky to get called and interviewed for my top choice. Alas, others were selected.
Although I am very interested in this job and believe I am well suited to it, I am also fortunate in that I do not need the Job in any real sense.
I consider myself lucky to have come this far and am Hopeful ( without any evidence one way or the other) that my lowish score is the reason I'm still waiting for an offer.
I realize it may never come. I accept that it's an imperfect process. As far as ability to perform the actual job, some of us are probably better than our scores....some may not be as good as our score.
i credit the people at OPM / ODAR with being generally professional , pleasant and mindful of our plight. All that being said , I have not and will not for one minute resent or regret that any other candidate gets a spot That might have been mine. I don't have any more power of the process so I intend to ride it out. I appreciate that many bring a great sense of humor to this process but It does not cause me to doubt their seriousness of their purpose for 1 minute. Others Seem to be experiencing the frustration of the process and their misgivings for the future in a more palpably aggravated way. While I wish the process was less uncomfortable for them I don't question the validity of that or any other perspective on this imperfect process,
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Post by moopigsdad on Jan 14, 2015 12:20:37 GMT -5
For the old folk and "foggies" on the Board this clip expresses my opinion about the hiring process. link
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Post by finch on Jan 14, 2015 14:54:01 GMT -5
Just received a supplemental cert with Manchester, NH and Charlottesville, VA.
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Post by mch135 on Jan 14, 2015 14:58:10 GMT -5
I just received a supplemental for Charlottesville and Philadelphia.
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