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Post by gary on May 22, 2015 10:24:45 GMT -5
also, at least in the past, i think people could reapply to try to get a higher score. am i right or in ballpark on that? someone who knows more, please comment. thanks I understand that on a refresh, someone on the register could reapply in hopes of getting a higher score. I believe if you did that you would be stuck with your new result, even if it was a lower score or a failure to do well enough to get on the register. Or possibly a failure to do well enough online to be invited to test in DC. It would not be something to do lightly.
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Post by JudgeRatty on May 22, 2015 10:25:13 GMT -5
also, at least in the past, i think people could reapply to try to get a higher score. am i right or in ballpark on that? someone who knows more, please comment. thanks This is true with a BIG caveat.... IF you reapply when the time comes, once you get your NOR it will replace the old one whether it is higher OR lower... so it is not in stone that it will be a higher score. There have been posters here who have shared that they increased their score by several points, but there have also been stories of the opposite. So buyer beware.... just like appealing a score, you never know what the result will be once the appeal is final--that score could increase or decrease so it is a decision each must make with great care.
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Post by JudgeRatty on May 22, 2015 10:25:59 GMT -5
also, at least in the past, i think people could reapply to try to get a higher score. am i right or in ballpark on that? someone who knows more, please comment. thanks I understand that on a refresh, someone on the register could reapply in hopes of getting a higher score. I believe if you did that you would be stuck with your new result, even if it was a lower score or a failure to do well enough to get on the register. Or possibly a failure to do well enough online to be invited to test in DC. It would not be something to do lightly. Exactly. We are posting at the same time. LOL!
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Post by christina on May 22, 2015 10:40:31 GMT -5
ok, thanks, so i would say anyone on register would be wise to not retest given how many test phases people got cut at this time around. obviously, this is a person by person decision. thanks for info. i knew it was an option but little more than that. and i am NOT saying the option to retest is coming. i made comments in regard to some questions being asked.
for anyone just joining us, all we know so far is that those cut at the online phase(eg SJT, an an online written portion) MAY now get invited to DC for the next phase of testing which (and if i say too much, let me know, and i will delete) includes a writing component, a logic based test, and a structured interview. we are responsible for travel and lodging costs for this part of test if invited. Expected testing time is this summer and fall, and speculated to be towards the end of summer at the earliest.
Also, some people who advanced to the next phase but for some reason did not follow through are being given another chance to advance. for example, i think opm determined one person had seven years of attorney experience but he has not not done online testing yet. he will now be allowed to do online testing. i hope this helps to clarify some confusion.
EDIT NOTE BY PIXIE: No, you aren't giving too much away. Pixie.
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Post by hapi2balj on May 22, 2015 11:01:04 GMT -5
I have also received the same e-mail as Hope. My situation was that I did receive notification to move on to the online component. I then suffered perhaps the largest brain cramp known to man when I failed to begin it. I won't make that mistake again! I received the exact same survey that has been posted, identical down to the time it was sent, 12:36pm. Richter, even though our situations are slightly different, glad to know that someone else got the same survey. I assume you responded as quickly as I did once I found it! Now (as one of my previous posts clearly indicates) slight paranoia has set in that I somehow screwed up the survey response, let me ask to make sure - have you received any kind of confirmation that your answer has been received, etc.?
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Post by 71stretch on May 22, 2015 12:50:44 GMT -5
I heard from a source within SSA that OPM will also be posting the position on USAJOBS within the next 2 months. Any truth to this? I very much doubt this. As someone else stated, I don't see OPM dealing with brand new applications and these reopened ones from 2013 at the same time. I suspect that your source's information actually pertains to the reopened ones from 2013.
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Post by coolmom on May 22, 2015 13:24:24 GMT -5
OMG. Complete failure to insert important pop-culture reference - I'm so disappointed! So here you go (and you're welcome for the ear worm): I was working part time in a five-and-dime My boss was Mr. McGee He told me several times that he didn't like my kind 'Cause I was a bit too leisurely... Seems I was busy doing something close to nothing But different than the day before That's when I saw her oh saw her She walked in through the out door,out door She wore a raspberry beret, The kind you find in a second-hand store. A raspberry beret, And if it was warm she wouldn't wear much more. Guess I'm old too!
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Post by sealaw90 on May 22, 2015 14:19:42 GMT -5
Seems I was busy doing something close to nothing But different than the day before That's when I saw her oh saw her She walked in through the out door,out door She wore a raspberry beret, The kind you find in a second-hand store. A raspberry beret, And if it was warm she wouldn't wear much more. Guess I'm old too! Me too! I'm very old. those old songs of the last century will always peg me as an old timer. Glad they managed to get Prince on stage a few weeks ago what if he couldn't sing anymore?? Whoever posted the Oh Brother where art thou reference - thanks for that memory too! Awesome movie.
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Post by RichterScale on May 22, 2015 15:01:37 GMT -5
Hope - like you, I responded immediately. I also had a brief moment where I hoped that I moved the button appropriately and voted correctly. I am sure that we both responded properly. I have received no confirmation whatsoever from OPM that my survey has been received. From what I've been able to ascertain on this Board, lack of OPM acknowledgement is par for the course, what with their waiting to notify people who have active appeals until all of them are processed, etc. If I hear anything, I will certainly post and advise. I suspect we will know something shortly after June 2nd.
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Post by Gaidin on May 22, 2015 16:19:46 GMT -5
Seems I was busy doing something close to nothing But different than the day before That's when I saw her oh saw her She walked in through the out door,out door She wore a raspberry beret, The kind you find in a second-hand store. A raspberry beret, And if it was warm she wouldn't wear much more. Guess I'm old too! Awesome!
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Post by hapi2balj on May 22, 2015 16:28:04 GMT -5
Hope - like you, I responded immediately. I also had a brief moment where I hoped that I moved the button appropriately and voted correctly. I am sure that we both responded properly. I have received no confirmation whatsoever from OPM that my survey has been received. From what I've been able to ascertain on this Board, lack of OPM acknowledgement is par for the course, what with their waiting to notify people who have active appeals until all of them are processed, etc. If I hear anything, I will certainly post and advise. I suspect we will know something shortly after June 2nd. Thanks!
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Post by hapi2balj on May 22, 2015 16:42:22 GMT -5
Well, I feel vindicated! And, as dumb as this may sound, I sincerely wanted all of you to be the first to know. At 4:04 p.m. Eastern today, I got an e-mail entitled "Notification of Appeal Results." If you've read my previous posts you'll recall I absolutely did not receive my 2nd round invitation in 2013 & by the time I found out about it, it was too late. (Actually, I found this forum on May 14, and immediately appealed since I learned that others were already into the 2nd round. The ALJ Office did not respond until June 18 with its statement that I'd been sent the invite and had had a deadline of May 10. So, my appeal was dated June 18, 2013.) At any rate, the "Appeal Status" is "Resolved in your favor," with the explanation, "OPM has determined that it cannot readily demonstrate in all instances that the message that OPM attempted to transmit to applicants to commence the Online Component actually reached their destinations." My relief is that "described in the ALJ Applicant Update Survey that you were sent on May 18, 2015," namely, "an opportunity to be re-scheduled and to take the three Online Component assessments of the 2013 ALJ examination." The e-mail went on, "OPM will also provide information and notices regarding the ALJ examination to interested parties, as appropriate. As such information becomes available, it will be posted on the OPM ALJ website at www.opm.gov/services-for-agencies/administrative-law-judges/." Regardless of everything, and regardless of all the reasons which may be behind this, my opinion of OPM has increased exponentially. I can only hope this long wait is worth it and that I am lucky enough to move through all the stages successfully -- and, relatively speaking, quickly! My sincere thanks to all of you on this forum who have given me information, guidance and encouragement.
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Post by gary on May 22, 2015 16:47:01 GMT -5
Well, I feel vindicated! And, as dumb as this may sound, I sincerely wanted all of you to be the first to know. At 4:04 p.m. Eastern today, I got an e-mail entitled "Notification of Appeal Results." If you've read my previous posts you'll recall I absolutely did not receive my 2nd round invitation in 2013 & by the time I found out about it, it was too late. (Actually, I found this forum on May 14, and immediately appealed since I learned that others were already into the 2nd round. The ALJ Office did not respond until June 18 with its statement that I'd been sent the invite and had had a deadline of May 10. So, my appeal was dated June 18, 2013.) At any rate, the "Appeal Status" is "Resolved in your favor," with the explanation, "OPM has determined that it cannot readily demonstrate in all instances that the message that OPM attempted to transmit to applicants to commence the Online Component actually reached their destinations." My relief is that "described in the ALJ Applicant Update Survey that you were sent on May 18, 2015," namely, "an opportunity to be re-scheduled and to take the three Online Component assessments of the 2013 ALJ examination." The e-mail went on, "OPM will also provide information and notices regarding the ALJ examination to interested parties, as appropriate. As such information becomes available, it will be posted on the OPM ALJ website at www.opm.gov/services-for-agencies/administrative-law-judges/." Regardless of everything, and regardless of all the reasons which may be behind this, my opinion of OPM has increased exponentially. I can only hope this long wait is worth it and that I am lucky enough to move through all the stages successfully -- and, relatively speaking, quickly! My sincere thanks to all of you on this forum who have given me information, guidance and encouragement. That's great news! Good luck!
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Post by keepsake on May 22, 2015 17:25:04 GMT -5
So this appears to be the first we've heard that OPM has issued a Notice of Appeal Results. Congrats on that. Gives appellants hope that more determinations should be coming at some point (near or far in the future, who knows?). Not sure in what order they are providing these or how long a wait people will have, but at least there are some decisions being made on appeals.
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Post by gary on May 22, 2015 17:38:02 GMT -5
So this appears to be the first we've heard that OPM has issued a Notice of Appeal Results. Congrats on that. Gives appellants hope that more determinations should be coming at some point (near or far in the future, who knows?). Not sure in what order they are providing these or how long a wait people will have, but at least there are some decisions being made on appeals. In its appeal rights email, OPM said: "After all appeals have been adjudicated, applicants will be notified via email of the Panel’s decision." This looks like it would mean everybody will be getting their Notice of Appeal Results emails in short order. It will be interesting to see how it actually plays out.
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Post by privateatty on May 23, 2015 8:17:09 GMT -5
Seems I was busy doing something close to nothing But different than the day before That's when I saw her oh saw her She walked in through the out door,out door She wore a raspberry beret, The kind you find in a second-hand store. A raspberry beret, And if it was warm she wouldn't wear much more. Guess I'm old too! Prince was 15 when he went to his first Joni Mitchell concert (I was a bit older). You guys are youngsters and I'm glad I'm not competing against you.
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Post by gary on May 23, 2015 8:27:33 GMT -5
Prince was 15 when he went to his first Joni Mitchell concert (I was a bit older). You guys are youngsters and I'm glad I'm not competing against you. "Old age and treachery beats youth and skill every time." --An Anonymous Old Guy
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 7:50:08 GMT -5
Is it just me or do others share my concerns regarding the rumor that OPM is to open up the process potentially for those who were did not move past step 2 in the process. My situation is similar to others: I passed step 1, took the online portion of the exam and my NOR said my scores were not sufficient to proceed to the remaining steps. I filed an appeal. After receiving my NOR for Step 2, my status changed to "Application Status Not Available" which made it impossible to access my application through Application Manager. I made multiple attempts through application manager help desk, who finally told me that my status was changed by the hiring agency, namely aljapplication@opm.gov which was the reason I could not see my application in application manager.
My questions are: Is it reasonable to expect that if you have an appeal pending, you should have access to Application Manager to track the progress or lack thereof of your appeal?
Next, if indeed OPM is lowering the minimum score needed at step 2 to proceed through the process, how are they going to notify those who meet those newly determined scores and should people in this situation be concerned that they cannot see their application in Application Manager. Are people supposed to assume that OPM will change qualified individuals status from "application status not available" to a different status and assume that they will capture everyone who will be affected by this change. Based on my experience with OPM, the later makes me very uncomfortable.
Thoughts?
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Post by JudgeRatty on May 25, 2015 8:30:30 GMT -5
Is it just me or do others share my concerns regarding the rumor that OPM is to open up the process potentially for those who were did not move past step 2 in the process. My situation is similar to others: I passed step 1, took the online portion of the exam and my NOR said my scores were not sufficient to proceed to the remaining steps. I filed an appeal. After receiving my NOR for Step 2, my status changed to "Application Status Not Available" which made it impossible to access my application through Application Manager. I made multiple attempts through application manager help desk, who finally told me that my status was changed by the hiring agency, namely aljapplication@opm.gov which was the reason I could not see my application in application manager. My questions are: Is it reasonable to expect that if you have an appeal pending, you should have access to Application Manager to track the progress or lack thereof of your appeal? Next, if indeed OPM is lowering the minimum score needed at step 2 to proceed through the process, how are they going to notify those who meet those newly determined scores and should people in this situation be concerned that they cannot see their application in Application Manager. Are people supposed to assume that OPM will change qualified individuals status from "application status not available" to a different status and assume that they will capture everyone who will be affected by this change. Based on my experience with OPM, the later makes me very uncomfortable. Thoughts? First, it is not a rumor. OPM sent an email to get volunteer ALJs to conduct the SI the fall. So it is happening. I am sure you will be notified if your score falls into the "new" subgroup and it will be by email just like all the other correspondence from them. Make sure to check your spam, email, and this board frequently. Also, this is the first time this has ever happened so no one is going to know about the application manager status changes at this point. Once people start getting emails, we will be able to figure it out. Good luck! And welcome to the board!
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Post by christina on May 25, 2015 9:02:29 GMT -5
do you have a usajobs account? set up one of those. i have a usajobs account and when i look at my old ALJ app, it takes me to application manager. Application manager is no longer used by federal govt which is my best guess as to why you can no longer get there directly. however, as i just noted, i can still get to application manager through usajobs and you may be able to as well.
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