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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:25:51 GMT -5
do you have a usajobs account? set up one of those. i have a usajobs account and when i look at my old ALJ app, it takes me to application manager. Application manager is no longer used by federal govt which is my best guess as to why you can no longer get there directly. however, as i just noted, i can still get to application manager through usajobs and you may be able to as well. Christina, I have had an USAjobs account forever (I am a long time federal employee). I am able to access application manager for other jobs I have applied for so the problem does not lie there. As the application manager help desk told me, the problem lies with the fact that the ALJ division of OPM changed my status to "Application Status Not Available." When your status is this, you do not get the link to Application Manager which I find odd as I have a pending appeal. In applcation manager you are only able to see jobs with certain status and if it is not one of those certain statuses, you will not get the link to application manger and you will not be able to see anything pertaining to it. In my case, the progress or lack thereof of my appeal. This is the explanation I got from Application Manager Help Desk: It appears that the Hiring Agency/HR Specialist has made changes to this announcement, which has in turn caused the issue with not being able to view the application in Application Manager. This is not a technical issue with Application Manager and you will need to contact the Hiring Agency/HR Specialist directly for further assistance. Below I have included the Agency Contact Information provided in the Job Announcement, there is not a telephone number or a mailing address provided and unfortunately this is the only contact information we have been given. Agency Contact Info: Admin Law Judge Program Office Phone: (000)000-0000 Email: ALJAPPLICATION@OPM.GOV I have also included a list of Application Statuses and their definitions used in USAJOBS. Application Incomplete: Application “package” has not been completed. Applicant either failed to complete electronic process, or did not submit necessary supplemental documents, e.g., DD-214. Application Status Not Available: Your USAJOBS resume may not have been submitted to the agency as part of your application. USAJOBS did not receive confirmation from the agency system that either your resume was received or your application was complete. This may indicate you did not complete the application process, did not properly log out, or the agency's system did not return your status to USAJOBS. Cancelled: Job announcement is withdrawn without any selections having been made. This status may be selected at any time after the job is posted. Hired: Candidate has accepted the offered position. Not Hired: Candidate has either declined or was not offered the position. Not Referred: Candidate is not among the best qualified and is not referred for selection consideration. Received: Application "package" (resume and any supplemental forms or documentation you submitted) received for processing in connection with job announcement. Referred: Candidate is among the best qualified and is referred for the next step in the selection process. Reviewed: Application “package” has been reviewed by the agency human resources office, but no determination of qualification has been made at this time. NOTE: Application statuses are provided directly by the hiring agency, and USAJOBS nor Application Manager have access to additional information. For additional assistance with questions or concerns about your application status, please contact the agency directly through the contact information listed inside the job announcement.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:42:27 GMT -5
Thanks Sratty that helps a lot. It still does not address my concerns that I have a pending appeal and no way of checking it's status as I have no link to Application Manager when I view my ALJ app in USA jobs
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Post by christina on May 25, 2015 9:44:22 GMT -5
well, that bites.... as sratty said, check your emails and junk emails frequently then as there is def some activity with ALJ apps and also, it sounds like on appeals these days.
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Post by gary on May 25, 2015 9:45:17 GMT -5
Thanks Sratty that helps a lot. It still does not address my concerns that I have a pending appeal and no way of checking it's status as I have no link to Application Manager when I view my ALJ app in USA jobs What did OPM say when you contacted them?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:51:43 GMT -5
well, that bites.... as sratty said, check your emails and junk emails frequently then as there is def some activity with ALJ apps and also, it sounds like on appeals these days. That's what has been maddening. I appealed my scores on step 2 of the process but it does not appear that they are dealing with these appeals at all, reasons for which I completely understand. However, they are dealing with step 1 appeals which is good news for folks who clearly were knocked out in error. Now with this new development of OPM lowering the scores for step 2 and the fact that I have an appeal of that step with no indication, except possibly an email if my scores meet this new minimum, when or how anyone will be notified is totally unclear and unreliable as I can't even check the status or history of ANYTHING pertaining to my ALJ application. I simply don't get why this is when I have a pending appeal and thankfully saved my confirmation of OPM's receipt of my appeal. Not being nit picky here, just trying to follow the process more closely considering recent developments, which I do not think is unreasonable.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:58:57 GMT -5
Sratty - just contacted them today, as I got the response from application manager help desk late in the day yesterday, so no response from them yet. Interestingly their initial response to my inquiry was "we are not at liberty to discuss any inquiries about the ALJ job announcement" I have about 5 such responses from the application manager help desk which I had saved after I experienced this shortly after filing my appeal. When they responded in this manner I said "look, I didn't ask you to discuss inquiries about the ALJ Job, I asked you why I cannot access my application and if you keep giving me the same standard response, I will contact my congressman and Senator for an explanation because your service has been nothing short of poor." After that, I got the explanation I was looking for and posted it (in part) on the thread.
Based on one past experience with this process, I'm not holding my breath that I will hear anything but it would sure be nice to know if my scores did or did not meet the new minimum requirements. If they do will I be notified? They have my email address to the best of my knowledge but I have no access to application manager. If my scores do not meet the new minimum scores, will they let me know that? I have no idea. If nothing happens with respect to the new minimum scores will anything happen to my appeal? Again no idea. Being left in limbo like this blows and is really unnecessary, what about openness in government? It's not like this process is some covert operation. They need to get real!
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Post by gary on May 25, 2015 10:13:14 GMT -5
Sratty - just contacted them today, as I got the response from application manager help desk late in the day yesterday, so no response from them yet. Interestingly their initial response to my inquiry was "we are not at liberty to discuss any inquiries about the ALJ job announcement" I have about 5 such responses from the application manager help desk which I had saved after I experienced this shortly after filing my appeal. When they responded in this manner I said "look, I didn't ask you to discuss inquiries about the ALJ Job, I asked you why I cannot access my application and if you keep giving me the same standard response, I will contact my congressman and Senator for an explanation because your service has been nothing short of poor." After that, I got the explanation I was looking for and posted it (in part) on the thread. Based on one past experience with this process, I'm not holding my breath that I will hear anything but it would sure be nice to know if my scores did or did not meet the new minimum requirements. If they do will I be notified? They have my email address to the best of my knowledge but I have no access to application manager. If my scores do not meet the new minimum score, will they let me know that? I have no idea. If nothing happens with respect to the new minimum scores will anything happen to my appeal? Again no idea. Being left in limbo like this blows and is really unnecessary, what about openness in government? it's not like this process is some covert operation. They need to get real! You got a response from a federal government entity late on the Sunday before Memorial Day? That doesn't sound like the federal government I used to work for!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 10:14:54 GMT -5
I know Gary, it was, blew me away too! OPM must of received a big budget for OT this fiscal year!
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Post by mamaru on May 25, 2015 10:20:14 GMT -5
Wait - is this new info about them addressing the Step 1 appeals? I work in an office with a lot of those and Step 2 appeals and people who were cut off at Step 2 but did not appeal. Nobody has heard boo, despite inquiries to OPM. Are some people hearing back about Step 1 appeals? Curious minds (mine) would like to know.
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Post by gary on May 25, 2015 10:20:59 GMT -5
I know Gary, it was blew me away too! OPM must of received a big budget for OT this fiscal year! Maybe you'll get a response to your email from the ALJ Application arm of OPM in the next day or two. Or better yet, an email sending you through to the next round. Good luck!
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Post by gary on May 25, 2015 10:24:24 GMT -5
Well, I feel vindicated! And, as dumb as this may sound, I sincerely wanted all of you to be the first to know. At 4:04 p.m. Eastern today, I got an e-mail entitled "Notification of Appeal Results." If you've read my previous posts you'll recall I absolutely did not receive my 2nd round invitation in 2013 & by the time I found out about it, it was too late. (Actually, I found this forum on May 14, and immediately appealed since I learned that others were already into the 2nd round. The ALJ Office did not respond until June 18 with its statement that I'd been sent the invite and had had a deadline of May 10. So, my appeal was dated June 18, 2013.) At any rate, the "Appeal Status" is "Resolved in your favor," with the explanation, "OPM has determined that it cannot readily demonstrate in all instances that the message that OPM attempted to transmit to applicants to commence the Online Component actually reached their destinations." My relief is that "described in the ALJ Applicant Update Survey that you were sent on May 18, 2015," namely, "an opportunity to be re-scheduled and to take the three Online Component assessments of the 2013 ALJ examination." The e-mail went on, "OPM will also provide information and notices regarding the ALJ examination to interested parties, as appropriate. As such information becomes available, it will be posted on the OPM ALJ website at www.opm.gov/services-for-agencies/administrative-law-judges/." Regardless of everything, and regardless of all the reasons which may be behind this, my opinion of OPM has increased exponentially. I can only hope this long wait is worth it and that I am lucky enough to move through all the stages successfully -- and, relatively speaking, quickly! My sincere thanks to all of you on this forum who have given me information, guidance and encouragement. Mamaru, I think this was the first we heard about a ruling on an appeal, though maybe there was another. At any rate, it is relatively new info. It was posted on 5/22.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 10:25:42 GMT -5
Well thank you Gary! i am a very satisfied federal employee so either way I will remain happy. Besides, I have many opportunities outside of the federal workforce which I am seriously contemplating at this point for personal reasons. Either way, things will work out. I am simply a stickler for closure and it is herein where my frustration lies.
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Post by JudgeRatty on May 25, 2015 10:36:02 GMT -5
Well thank you Gary! i am a very satisfied federal employee so either way I will remain happy. Besides, I have many opportunities outside of the federal workforce which I am seriously contemplating at this point for personal reasons. Either way, things will work out. I am simply a stickler for closure and it is herein where my frustration lies. Keep us posted @tink . There are a lot folks in your shoes who want something, closure or an idea of some sort. One thing for sure is that you are not alone and if anyone hears anything someone will post it here! Good luck to you and love the avatar!
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Post by Pixie on May 25, 2015 10:52:17 GMT -5
And I love the avatar and the name. When I approved your application this morning, I wondered where you were going with the name; now I know. Pixie.
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Post by mamaru on May 25, 2015 13:30:49 GMT -5
That's what I thought. Tink mentioned that OPM is "dealing with" Step 1 appeals, which is why I wondered if people who appealed Step 1 "not qualified" emails were finally hearing something. I thought perhaps this was new info.
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Post by luckylady2 on May 25, 2015 13:35:43 GMT -5
Welcome Tink! I guess it's pretty obvious, but just in case it's not: The primary way that OPM contacts you is by email. My experience was that I got emails from OPM as my application moved through various steps, and the Application Manager status seemed to change independently and very cryptically - and almost irrelevantly. The Application Manager would change to say something like "complete" waaayyy after all my materials were in and, like halfway through all the testing steps. To me, it was never much of a help in determining where things were.
So check the email, see if you can get a hold of OPM, and we're all pulling for you!
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Post by pumpkin on May 25, 2015 13:58:53 GMT -5
Well, I feel vindicated! And, as dumb as this may sound, I sincerely wanted all of you to be the first to know.... I received the same e-mail as Hope2b - I did not receive the e-mail notifying me of the testing back in 2013. I timely appealed and my appeal has been pending since June 2013. I called and e-mailed several times to check on the status of my appeal and finally quit e-mailing/calling when I got the "don't call us, we'll call you" lecture. I was using an aol.com e-mail address at the time and when I recently replied to the survey, I took that opportunity to update my address to a non-AOL e-mail.
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Post by gary on May 25, 2015 14:13:21 GMT -5
Well, I feel vindicated! And, as dumb as this may sound, I sincerely wanted all of you to be the first to know.... I received the same e-mail as Hope2b - I did not receive the e-mail notifying me of the testing back in 2013. I timely appealed and my appeal has been pending since June 2013. I called and e-mailed several times to check on the status of my appeal and finally quit e-mailing/calling when I got the "don't call us, we'll call you" lecture. I was using an aol.com e-mail address at the time and when I recently replied to the survey, I took that opportunity to update my address to a non-AOL e-mail. Good luck!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:06:25 GMT -5
That's what I thought. Tink mentioned that OPM is "dealing with" Step 1 appeals, which is why I wondered if people who appealed Step 1 "not qualified" emails were finally hearing something. I thought perhaps this was new info. I'm a step-1er who filed an appeal and I havent gotten any update related to resolution or denial of my appeal. I sent the ALJ desk a very frisky email on Thursday informing them that my due process had been violated by them constructively granting some appeals while not yet ruling on all of them, as they said they would in various emails. So we shall see. Given the overall evidence here, as well as some things DC Sklar said to some managers last week, i think OPM realizes they made a litany of mistakes and are trying to (1) refill the register and (2) avoid litigation, which bodes well for many of us.
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Post by Gaidin on May 25, 2015 19:13:46 GMT -5
That's what I thought. Tink mentioned that OPM is "dealing with" Step 1 appeals, which is why I wondered if people who appealed Step 1 "not qualified" emails were finally hearing something. I thought perhaps this was new info. I'm a step-1er who filed an appeal and I havent gotten any update related to resolution or denial of my appeal. I sent the ALJ desk a very frisky email on Thursday informing them that my due process had been violated by them constructively granting some appeals while not yet ruling on all of them, as they said they would in various emails. So we shall see. Given the overall evidence here, as well as some things DC Sklar said to some managers last week, i think OPM realizes they made a litany of mistakes and are trying to (1) refill the register and (2) avoid litigation, which bodes well for many of us. I think its waaaayyyyyy to early to say due process was violated because appeal results emails are rolling out slowly. Any appeal of any step in this process is likely to be different than any other appeal and as such it may take a while to get emails out. They really don't have to tell anybody a thing about their results from a given phase until they are ready to move onto the next phase. I really expect that step 1s will hear in the next 4-6 weeks, step 2's in the next 2-3 months, and step 3's 3-4 months after that. @tink I can only imagine your frustration but it sounds like everybody who missed the cut off at step 2 will be notified simultaneously. I wouldn't expect much of a response until they send out those notices. They probably won't send out those notices until they grade the folks who are moving on to step 2's tests. Folks getting to far down the road on what is at best partial information is going to give you heartburn.
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