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Post by christina on May 18, 2015 10:13:50 GMT -5
true Gary but if i had told you 8 months ago that some of those who never even made it to DC would be allowed to continue testing, would you have believed me? this whole testing process has had more twists than a loopey doopey roller coaster and who knows what will come next? what tiger currently noted will not change those in superbonbon's status. but will we get more info in the next 2 months that opm is lowering overall score to get on the register? who knows?
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Post by gary on May 18, 2015 10:19:48 GMT -5
true Gary but if i had told you 8 months ago that some of those who never even made it to DC would be allowed to continue testing, would you have believed me? this whole testing process has had more twists than a loopey doopey roller coaster and who knows what will come next? what tiger currently noted will not change those in superbonbon's status. but will we get more info in the next 2 months that opm is lowering overall score to get on the register? who knows? I would not have believed you about lowering the cutoff score to go to DC. That said, I don't think OPM will be lowering the passing scores for the WD and SI. Those latter cutoffs serve a purpose different from the purpose of the online component cutoff score.
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Post by christina on May 18, 2015 10:24:13 GMT -5
fair enough
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Post by 71stretch on May 18, 2015 10:42:54 GMT -5
i know of a sitting ALJ who was in a sort of similar status to those in superbonbon's shoes several years ago. to me, it looks like opm is trying to get more names out of those who applied in 2013 and if so, that could be good news for most of us still waiting, esp those of us not on the register. those of you knocked out after what i will call the DC testing component may at least end up with a score out of this and on the register. yes, i know tiger's post made no indication of this but assuming the goal is to get more names on the register without reopening the testing, it is logical to add the DC testers to the register. also, it will vastly reduce the amount of appeals out there and be less work for OPM on the appeals, something opm would certainly like. This will not change the result for anyone who did not make the register because they did not have a high enough WD or SI score. And those who now get to test in DC will have to do well enough on the WD and SI to make the register. And what a roller coaster that would be... Knocked out early, let back in by this unprecedented move by OPM, and then potentially knocked out again? Holding good thoughts that people in this position make it through.
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Post by christina on May 18, 2015 10:55:15 GMT -5
yeah, 71stretch, that is about what this rollercoaster has amounted to for anyone still waiting. never seen an alj hiring like this one before..
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Post by alrifle on May 18, 2015 11:02:18 GMT -5
true Gary but if i had told you 8 months ago that some of those who never even made it to DC would be allowed to continue testing, would you have believed me? this whole testing process has had more twists than a loopey doopey roller coaster and who knows what will come next? what tiger currently noted will not change those in superbonbon's status. but will we get more info in the next 2 months that opm is lowering overall score to get on the register? who knows? I would not have believed you about lowering the cutoff score to go to DC. That said, I don't think OPM will be lowering the passing scores for the WD and SI. Those latter cutoffs serve a purpose different from the purpose of the online component cutoff score. Perhaps. We can probably all agree that the WD/SI parts are of more value; OPM has indicated as much in its language speaking of 'higher scoring subgroup' at the online level and 'minimum score' in DC. But I am still hopeful that christina is right.... Maybe the WD/SI minimum score threshold was not arbitrary, but maybe it is. Of course the WD and SI are the heart of the testing, but in the past, if you made it to DC, you got a score. Everyone who went to or goes to DC will have a score - it would hurt nothing important to reveal what the scores are, however low they may be, and I dare say, just as there are many qualified candidates knocked out at the online level, there are also many qualified candidates knocked out at DC.
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Post by moopigsdad on May 18, 2015 11:04:51 GMT -5
The change in cutoff score will not be just for the SJT. It will be for the combination of the SJT, WS, and EA. I agree Gary, but the change in scoring for the SJT was a part of the examination that I could point to in order to show a concrete example.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 11:26:20 GMT -5
twhat tiger currently noted will not change those in superbonbon's status. but will we get more info in the next 2 months that opm is lowering overall score to get on the register? who knows? Who knows, indeed. My solitary, selfish point is that with this new group of people now clearing the second hurdle, it's going to be a much larger pool of people on the register to contend with if my SI appeal is granted. OPM says it'll address the appeals in 6-9 months, which is plenty of time for OPM to complete the WD/SI testing this summer on our suddenly-revived contestants. Maybe that appeal timeline will be shorter now... who knows.
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Post by grandparay1 on May 18, 2015 11:51:19 GMT -5
I am in the group that was knocked out after the D.C. testing. While I do not believe that OPM will lower the standard for the WD or SI, I think it is possible (but not very likely) that those knocked out after the D.C. testing will be given the opportunity to re-test. This option would save OPM from deciding on many appeals, and put us in the same position of those that did not score as well on the second stage of testing. Regardless of what OPM decides to do, there are going to be those adversely affected. I wish everyone good luck as this situation plays out.
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Post by hapi2balj on May 18, 2015 12:30:24 GMT -5
Just got my e-mail. Hallelujah! I passed the first round but somehow (?) didn't get my notice that I was eligible to take the second round, and by the time I found out that OPM had claimed to have sent it, it was too late. So I'm ecstatic that I've been given this opportunity! Good luck to all of us!
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Post by gary on May 18, 2015 12:34:03 GMT -5
Just got my e-mail. Hallelujah! I passed the first round but somehow (?) didn't get my notice that I was eligible to take the second round, and by the time I found out that OPM had claimed to have sent it, it was too late. So I'm ecstatic that I've been given this opportunity! Good luck to all of us! Congratulations! If you wouldn't mind, could you put up a copy of the email so we can see what OPM is saying?
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Post by moopigsdad on May 18, 2015 12:35:01 GMT -5
Just got my e-mail. Hallelujah! I passed the first round but somehow (?) didn't get my notice that I was eligible to take the second round, and by the time I found out that OPM had claimed to have sent it, it was too late. So I'm ecstatic that I've been given this opportunity! Good luck to all of us! H2BALJ what does your email state regarding testing or appeals? Just curious. Thanks.
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Post by hapi2balj on May 18, 2015 12:36:58 GMT -5
Just got my e-mail. Hallelujah! I passed the first round but somehow (?) didn't get my notice that I was eligible to take the second round, and by the time I found out that OPM had claimed to have sent it, it was too late. So I'm ecstatic that I've been given this opportunity! Good luck to all of us! Congratulations! If you wouldn't mind, could you put up a copy of the email so we can see what OPM IS saying? 3 of 570 ALJ Applicant Update Survey Inbox x x ALJ Applicant Update <USASurvey@opm.gov> 12:36 PM (58 minutes ago) You are being sent this message because you meet ALL of the conditions below: Submitted an application for the Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) examination, Job Opportunity Announcement (JOA) ALJ2013-847661 during the filing period. Cleared the preliminary qualifications screening. Received an IMIN rating on the ALJ examination Notice of Results. Did not start any portion of the three Online Component assessments (i.e., Situational Judgment Test (SJT), Writing Sample (WS), and Experience Assessment (EA)). Did not re-apply and did not re-take the ALJ examination pursuant to 5 CFR 332.311. The U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM) plans to administer the Online Component (i.e., SJT, WS and EA), one time only in late Spring 2015, to applicants who met the above conditions. We have created an online survey to determine if you are interested in this opportunity to be re-scheduled to participate in this phase of the ALJ examination. This survey will be used to collect this information and explains any next steps. The survey deadline is 11:59 pm EDT, June 2, 2015. To access the survey, click the following link that is unique to you: usasurvey.opm.gov/index.php/survey/al/XXXXXXXXIf you experience problems with the direct link, you may log in manually: URL: usasurvey.opm.gov/surveyUsername: (I deleted) Password: (I deleted) Please do not share this logon information with anyone: Once your personal survey has been submitted, no one may gain access to it again. Thank you, Administrative Law Judge Program Office U.S. Office of Personnel Management
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Post by gary on May 18, 2015 12:44:49 GMT -5
Thanks hope2balj! Great intel!
That's very interesting. In a way it moots (or effectively grants) a class of appeal before they do the adjusted online component cutoff thing.
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Post by hapi2balj on May 18, 2015 13:00:00 GMT -5
I am beside myself with excitement so need to calm down and get back to Earth. I realize nothing is a done deal yet and even if I pass all the steps, nothing will happen overnight after that. However - and I apologize profusely if this is at all inappropriate - but can anyone give me any advice/insight on the SJT/WS/EA? Or point me to where I might be able to find that information? If the online test is "late Spring" but the deadline for responding to the survey is June 2, that means the test will be sometime before the first day of Summer which is June 20 or so. At least looks like I won't have to wait long for that .... although I have been waiting already for over two years, come to think of it. :-) Ah well, I'm just obviously happy and grateful for this opportunity!
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Post by christina on May 18, 2015 13:03:55 GMT -5
hey, good luck with the process. i don't think anyone is allowed to give you advice about testing but they can give you advice about hotels nearby the testing sites, best ways to travel to and around DC, and that sort of stuff.
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Post by hapi2balj on May 18, 2015 13:09:01 GMT -5
Christina, Thanks. That's why I prefaced my comments with maybe this isn't appropriate - I'm not surprised to hear that but since I didn't know for sure, thought I'd inquire. Shows how much of a neophyte I am. Ironic, since I've had my eye on an ALJ position as an option for more than 30 years - but perhaps not from a very informed point of view. I supposed I won't be hearing back until after June 2 but I will be on pins and needles since then. I sure hope I didn't hit the wrong button but since it was beside "No, I am not interested" I am pretty sure I was careful enough to give the right answer! Now to work toward passage of the other levels and hopefully get on the register!! Good luck, everyone!!
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Post by JudgeRatty on May 18, 2015 13:09:06 GMT -5
I am beside myself with excitement so need to calm down and get back to Earth. I realize nothing is a done deal yet and even if I pass all the steps, nothing will happen overnight after that. However - and I apologize profusely if this is at all inappropriate - but can anyone give me any advice/insight on the SJT/WS/EA? Or point me to where I might be able to find that information? If the online test is "late Spring" but the deadline for responding to the survey is June 2, that means the test will be sometime before the first day of Summer which is June 20 or so. At least looks like I won't have to wait long for that .... although I have been waiting already for over two years, come to think of it. :-) Ah well, I'm just obviously happy and grateful for this opportunity! When you get the email for the next testing, it will give you information about it. We are not allowed to discuss any details or provide info. Good luck!
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Post by hapi2balj on May 18, 2015 13:10:53 GMT -5
Sratty, thank you!
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Post by mamaru on May 18, 2015 13:12:56 GMT -5
hey, good luck with the process. i don't think anyone is allowed to give you advice about testing but they can give you advice about hotels nearby the testing sites, best ways to travel to and around DC, and that sort of stuff. I think Hope2b's asking about the on-line portion of the test, not the DC portion. As I recall, the same rules of silence about content apply. When we did it, we had several days to complete the test which gave us time to read and mull over the instructions before taking the tests and doing the EA. I think he is in a unique situation (maybe not unique, but relatively unusual) in that he needs to do the on-line test whereas others who have taken the test may be invited to move on to DC without redoing the test, based on a change of minimum score needed to advance.
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