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Post by Judicially Imployed on Apr 13, 2016 22:21:07 GMT -5
So I had an ALJ tell me today that you cannot be hired into a region of any RCALJ that interviews you. According to him, if one of the judges in your interview is the Atlanta RCALJ, then you know after the interview that you will not be hired into the Atlanta region, for example.
This is the first I've heard of this rule, but he was rather adamanent it was true. Has anyone else ever heard this rule? Is this something that used to be rule but no longer is? Can anyone confirm this is true or refute it?
This is just not something I've ever heard being the case.
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Post by Pixie on Apr 13, 2016 22:35:15 GMT -5
I have never heard that. The interviewers don't make the hiring decisions; they only give their impressions. OCALJ and the A.C. determine who is hired. What difference does it make if a RCALJ is on the panel? Or the HOCALJ in the office one is hired for? Pixie.
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Post by mamaru on Apr 14, 2016 1:48:50 GMT -5
I plan on ranking my top 10 maybe my top 15 if there are a whole lot of top shelf choices. After that they will all sort of be fungible even in a list of 81. That's exactly what I have done. When I get to the point that it's hard to tell between the rankings of two locations, I start with the X's.
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Post by christina on Apr 14, 2016 4:34:49 GMT -5
So I had an ALJ tell me today that you cannot be hired into a region of any RCALJ that interviews you. According to him, if one of the judges in your interview is the Atlanta RCALJ, then you know after the interview that you will not be hired into the Atlanta region, for example. This is the first I've heard of this rule, but he was rather adamanent it was true. Has anyone else ever heard this rule? Is this something that used to be rule but no longer is? Can anyone confirm this is true or refute it? This is just not something I've ever heard being the case. no, i have not heard of that and likely would have over the years if accurate. i believe no one that knows you can be on the panel. so my hocalj cannot be on my panel. and if you know the RCALJ, then maybe they won't interview you either. actually, it makes sense the RCALJ might want to interview prospects for their region to get a sense of them esp if they are people who have not worked for the agency. and maybe your RCALJ has that policy but i am not aware of it being a nationwide rule.
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Post by funkyodar on Apr 14, 2016 7:20:39 GMT -5
I'm sure it happens, but I haven't heard of anyone getting interviewed by a ROCALJ. I, and everyone I have talked to, were interviewed by HOCALJs. I could see them trying to make it so no HOCALJ from an office you are in the running for is on your panel (though that would be hard for those with high scores and wide GALs) but I cant see how they could do that with ROCALJs.
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Post by christina on Apr 14, 2016 7:23:03 GMT -5
rcaljs have interviewed in the past. not sure about recently.
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Post by Pixie on Apr 14, 2016 7:26:25 GMT -5
I'm sure it happens, but I haven't heard of anyone getting interviewed by a ROCALJ. I, and everyone I have talked to, were interviewed by HOCALJs. I could see them trying to make it so no HOCALJ from an office you are in the running for is on your panel (though that would be hard for those with high scores and wide GALs) but I cant see how they could do that with ROCALJs. RCALJS have been used for interviewing in the past. Don't know about currently. Pixie.
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Post by sealaw90 on Apr 14, 2016 8:06:11 GMT -5
I plan on ranking my top 10 maybe my top 15 if there are a whole lot of top shelf choices. After that they will all sort of be fungible even in a list of 81. Yes, Gaidin, my plan of attack if I make a ton of cities. And to mamaru's post - I hear what you are saying and I don't disagree, but I want to obsess not necessarily to rank them, but to dig a little deeper into the hinterlands of my GAL.
If the 20 cities I really don't care about (too far away, bad transportation options, bad weather, etc.) are the only cities I made, I still think I should rank the top 3 - 5, possibly cross off 1 or 2 (what WAS I thinking when I put that on my GAL??) and let the rest fall in the middle.
Now, if I got some of my 'dream' locales (I'm home/near home/nice place to live even if not home, etc.) and no cropland locales, then I can either rank them according to desirable-ness down to less than optimal even if I like the place. Depending upon how many of my dream cities appear, I may take the chance and remove more than 1 or 2 less desirable cities. It depends.
So THAT's the type of obsessing I am talking about. Oh, and the spouse gets to vote as well. We like to mind-f*^k these things for fun (two lawyers, you know). Oh, I have to break it to my aging parents that moved here to be near me that I may be moving for 2 years. Not fun.
Everybody has to look at the cities they are up for and do what they need to do to get hired plus what's good for their family and themselves. For me, family still comes first, even if I end up crossing off the one city I was actually the top candidate for --- Hey, wouldn't it be nice if ODAR ranked the cities you were in the running for (you are in the top 3) all the way down to the 'you are on this cert but are #20 on the list'?? That would be awesome! Time to stop dreaming and go to work!
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Post by aljwishhope on Apr 14, 2016 8:17:27 GMT -5
Phone rings 703 number showing iPhone also shows call coming from Falls Church VA.
My heart races. I was sure I would not get a call this round. OMG maybe I was wrong.
Hello
Hello this is Blah Blah from ... Blah blah dentists office calling to schedule your kids 6 month cleaning ...
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Post by fingerscrossed on Apr 14, 2016 8:18:59 GMT -5
Just a point of clarification for a newbie on the certs. If we make the cert, it means we are in the top three for at least one location that is both on our GAL and the cert. So if only one city on our GAL is on the cert, it means we are among the top 3 scoring candidates for that location, right?
Another point, how does our ranking play into ultimately being considered for a location. Since we don't know which cities we are actually in the running for (ie within the top scoring candidates (not necessary in the top three since this is a moving target dependent upon the order in which they fill the cities), what if the cities we rank in our top 5 are all cities we are at the bottom of the heap for? What if the cities we don't rank or rank very low on the list are actually the cities we were in the top of the heap for? Just trying to understand how it works. Not sure if these are questions anyone can answer or if this is all part of the mystery of what's behind the curtain at OZ.
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Post by Gaidin on Apr 14, 2016 8:29:22 GMT -5
Just a point of clarification for a newbie on the certs. If we make the cert, it means we are in the top three for at least one location that is both on our GAL and the cert. So if only one city on our GAL is on the cert, it means we are among the top 3 scoring candidates for that location, right? No. It means that in some order in which they could hire for all the locations on the set of certs that you could wind up in the top 3 for the location(s) you are certed for.Another point, how does our ranking play into ultimately being considered for a location. Since we don't know which cities we are actually in the running for (ie within the top scoring candidates (not necessary in the top three since this is a moving target dependent upon the order in which they fill the cities). In other words, what if the cities we rank in our top 5 are all cities we at the bottom of the heap for? What if the cities we don't rank or rank very low on the list are actually the cities we were in the top of the heap for? Just trying to understand how it works. Not sure if these are questions anyone can answer or if this is all part of the mystery of what's behind the curtain at OZ. Eh... who knows. It appears they use it to give you preference if there is a tie in where they could hire you but who knows how often that happens.
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Post by Gaidin on Apr 14, 2016 8:31:21 GMT -5
So I had an ALJ tell me today that you cannot be hired into a region of any RCALJ that interviews you. According to him, if one of the judges in your interview is the Atlanta RCALJ, then you know after the interview that you will not be hired into the Atlanta region, for example. This is the first I've heard of this rule, but he was rather adamanent it was true. Has anyone else ever heard this rule? Is this something that used to be rule but no longer is? Can anyone confirm this is true or refute it? This is just not something I've ever heard being the case. I don't see how they could possibly make this work with many candidates. Also if you don't get hired that first go round you may be up for other locations in other regions. I had two HOCALJs for my interviewers.
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Post by Pixie on Apr 14, 2016 8:48:50 GMT -5
So I had an ALJ tell me today that you cannot be hired into a region of any RCALJ that interviews you. According to him, if one of the judges in your interview is the Atlanta RCALJ, then you know after the interview that you will not be hired into the Atlanta region, for example. This is the first I've heard of this rule, but he was rather adamanent it was true. Has anyone else ever heard this rule? Is this something that used to be rule but no longer is? Can anyone confirm this is true or refute it? This is just not something I've ever heard being the case. I don't see how they could possibly make this work with many candidates. Also if you don't get hired that first go round you may be up for other locations in other regions.I had two HOCALJs for my interviewers. Exactly. Nothing precludes appointment of a candidate in a region where the RCALJ for that region was on her interview panel. The process is complicated enough as it is without making it even more so. Pixie.
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Post by gary on Apr 14, 2016 8:51:27 GMT -5
Phone rings 703 number showing iPhone also shows call coming from Falls Church VA. My heart races. I was sure I would not get a call this round. OMG maybe I was wrong. Hello Hello this is Blah Blah from ... Blah blah dentists office calling to schedule your kids 6 month cleaning ... You have someone else clean your kids? Only once every 6 months?
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Post by gary on Apr 14, 2016 8:55:11 GMT -5
Sealaw90 said:
"Now, if I got some of my 'dream' locales (I'm home/near home/nice place to live even if not home, etc.) and no cropland locales, then I can either rank them according to desirable-ness down to less than optimal even if I like the place. Depending upon how many of my dream cities appear, I may take the chance and remove more than 1 or 2 less desirable cities. It depends."
Cropland would not be crapland for Funky.
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Post by fingerscrossed on Apr 14, 2016 8:55:36 GMT -5
Just a point of clarification for a newbie on the certs. If we make the cert, it means we are in the top three for at least one location that is both on our GAL and the cert. So if only one city on our GAL is on the cert, it means we are among the top 3 scoring candidates for that location, right? No. It means that in some order in which they could hire for all the locations on the set of certs that you could wind up in the top for the location(s) you are certed for.Another point, how does our ranking play into ultimately being considered for a location. Since we don't know which cities we are actually in the running for (ie within the top scoring candidates (not necessary in the top three since this is a moving target dependent upon the order in which they fill the cities). In other words, what if the cities we rank in our top 5 are all cities we at the bottom of the heap for? What if the cities we don't rank or rank very low on the list are actually the cities we were in the top of the heap for? Just trying to understand how it works. Not sure if these are questions anyone can answer or if this is all part of the mystery of what's behind the curtain at OZ. Eh... who knows. It appears they use it to give you preference if there is a tie in where they could hire you but who knows how often that happens.Thanks for the clarification. I have read previous threads on the board that indicated if you made a cert you were in the high three for at least one location. Ultimately it doesn't matter if you get hired. Something else, however, to obsess over while we wait for certs.
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Post by mack15 on Apr 14, 2016 9:11:57 GMT -5
Just got a call to schedule interview week of May 2. 703 area code. I asked if there were any other dates available due to a personal conflict and was told the week of May 9 was also available. I have a wide open GAL and a median-ish NOR score. Thank you so much! I was in major panic mode because I have a conflict the week of May 2.
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Post by aljwishhope on Apr 14, 2016 9:15:51 GMT -5
Gary given the SSA backlog if I get the ALJ gig my kids will be lucky to get cleaned once a year.
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Post by gary on Apr 14, 2016 9:18:26 GMT -5
Gary given the SSA backlog if I get the ALJ gig my kids will be lucky to get cleaned once a year. If they're boys, that cleaning schedule will make them feel lucky indeed.
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Post by marathon on Apr 14, 2016 9:52:51 GMT -5
Received call to schedule interview week of May 9. Scheduler indicated that tomorrow is Today.tm.
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