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Post by neufenland on Jul 7, 2022 14:59:13 GMT -5
I received the Notice of Results and Referral status email today and the present iteration of AM states “not referred.” So, a FOAD letter? So, mine says "Not Referred" and I have an interview... Methinks there is a foul-up at OPM. |
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Post by fowlfinder on Jul 7, 2022 15:00:42 GMT -5
I received the Notice of Results and Referral status email today and the present iteration of AM states “not referred.” So, a FOAD letter? I got the NOR letter and my AM status says "reviewing applications." If you got a "not referred" that is usually a bad sign in any USAjobs application. That would mean the who ever did the initial review for the agency did not refer the person to the hiring agency, ie. the hiring agency never saw your application. If that is actually what happened, then yes the NOR is effectively your FOAD letter. That said for those who have "received" or "referred" or some other status, the outcome is a lot less clear. I am interested to know if there are others who got the NOR email and what their AM status's are and if I'm an outlier for receiving the NOR email, still having "reviewing application," as my status, but not getting an interview. EDIT: Based on the feed back from interviewees it seems USAJobs/OPM and AM don't know what the agency is doing at all. Which is par for the course. |
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Post by patrick on Jul 7, 2022 15:04:01 GMT -5
I received the Notice of Results and Referral status email today and the present iteration of AM states “not referred.” So, a FOAD letter? So, mine says "Not Referred" and I have an interview... Methinks there is a foul-up at OPM. Same here. |
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Post by ssa on Jul 7, 2022 15:12:47 GMT -5
I received the Notice of Results and Referral status email today and the present iteration of AM states “not referred.” So, a FOAD letter? I got the NOR letter and my AM status says "reviewing applications." If you got a "not referred" that is usually a bad sign in any USAjobs application. That would mean the who ever did the initial review for the agency did not refer the person to the hiring agency, ie. the hiring agency never saw your application. If that is actually what happened, then yes the NOR is effectively your FOAD letter. That said for those who have "received" or "referred" or some other status, the outcome is a lot less clear. I am interested to know if there are others who got the NOR email and what their AM status's are and if I'm an outlier for receiving the NOR email, still having "reviewing application," as my status, but not getting an interview. EDIT: Based on the feed back from interviewees it seems USAJobs/OPM and AM don't know what the agency is doing at all. Which is par for the course. When you log into usajobs, it says “reviewing applications.” When you click “track this application,” it takes you to AM, where it says “not referred.” Seems like they updated everyone to not referred regardless of interview status. |
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Post by fowlfinder on Jul 7, 2022 15:21:19 GMT -5
I got the NOR letter and my AM status says "reviewing applications." If you got a "not referred" that is usually a bad sign in any USAjobs application. That would mean the who ever did the initial review for the agency did not refer the person to the hiring agency, ie. the hiring agency never saw your application. If that is actually what happened, then yes the NOR is effectively your FOAD letter. That said for those who have "received" or "referred" or some other status, the outcome is a lot less clear. I am interested to know if there are others who got the NOR email and what their AM status's are and if I'm an outlier for receiving the NOR email, still having "reviewing application," as my status, but not getting an interview. EDIT: Based on the feed back from interviewees it seems USAJobs/OPM and AM don't know what the agency is doing at all. Which is par for the course. When you log into usajobs, it says “reviewing applications.” When you click “track this application,” it takes you to AM, where it says “not referred.” Seems like they updated everyone to not referred regardless of interview status. You are correct. And my status says "not referred." Boy do I hate AM. |
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Post by hillsarealive on Jul 7, 2022 15:52:46 GMT -5
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Post by spacemonkey on Jul 7, 2022 15:56:06 GMT -5
I would rest easy if I were you. My status is not referred, and I have an interview. So, my guess is that someone made a mistake.
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Post by roymcavoy on Jul 7, 2022 16:02:25 GMT -5
I’m not sure it was a mistake. Everyone getting same email means it is OPM completing their limited role in this process and ssa is handling it from here forward.
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Post by neufenland on Jul 7, 2022 16:09:22 GMT -5
I’m not sure it was a mistake. Everyone getting same email means it is OPM completing their limited role in this process and ssa is handling it from here forward. Could be. Main takeaway is that everyone has the same status, so it's not an "oh, s#$t" moment. |
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Post by spacemonkey on Jul 7, 2022 16:14:41 GMT -5
Perhaps it is just extremely poorly worded. So far on the pole it looks like 10 of 10 respondents that received interviews have a "not referred" status. Normally, that would be interpreted as a FOAD. If many (or perhaps most or even all) of the candidates receiving interviews were "not referred", then I doubt that it can be interpreted as a FOAD. I think that the fact that SSA's role in the current process is different than it has been in the past may be causing some confusion.
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Post by badger on Jul 7, 2022 16:15:53 GMT -5
Every referral email I have received from USAjobs has said if I was referred or not in the body of the email. The email body this time around does not specify referral status. Based on my experience using other government softwares, I have a feeling that the hiring procedures for this job don't fit neatly into the statuses allowed by application manager, so we all have the same status.
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Post by Prrple on Jul 7, 2022 16:24:27 GMT -5
Here is exactly what mine says, and the portion I bolded, I interpreted to mean I did not screw up the application - in other words is was not a "see details" situation, but that OPM had nothing else to impart. This notice is a record of your application status for Federal employment for the position of Administrative Law Judge at the Social Security Administration (SSA), vacancy announcement number SH11434791. Based on our review of your application, you meet the minimum eligibility requirements for the position. As explained in the vacancy announcement, if you are among the higher-scoring applicants for the geographic locations under consideration, you will receive an invitation to participate in a structured interview. Please note: we will not provide further status updates until selections are made. We appreciate your interest in this position and encourage you to continue searching and applying for SSA vacancy announcements on USAJOBS.
Editing to add: my application status in USA staffing says "Not Referred" - I did not get an interview
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Post by hillsarealive on Jul 7, 2022 17:04:17 GMT -5
Okay, crisis averted. It seems that everyone who is interviewing is at "not referred," so this status is meaningless. Many good points raised above. The NOR email is really benign if you actually read it. SSA isn't necessarily using AM the way that it was used in the past. I will stop freaking out at this time. Perhaps the moral of the story is to ignore AM.
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Post by hopingforalj on Jul 8, 2022 8:35:40 GMT -5
Pixie, Sorry i posted this in the wrong thread, i lurk now as ive been practicing 25 years in disability and at this a very long time, so i forgot the rules 😁, ok here is a question, do we know if there are people who did not get through the initial requirements, either got a letter saying they did not get through, or never got yesterdays letter telling us we met the requirements, ok back to lurking, good luck to all.
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Post by hillsarealive on Jul 8, 2022 9:07:53 GMT -5
Pixie, Sorry i posted this in the wrong thread, i lurk now as ive been practicing 25 years in disability and at this a very long time, so i forgot the rules 😁, ok here is a question, do we know if there are people who did not get through the initial requirements, either got a letter saying they did not get through, or never got yesterdays letter telling us we met the requirements, ok back to lurking, good luck to all. Good questions. I posted another poll about this, which will hopefully provide some clarity. aljdiscussion.proboards.com/thread/5529/7-2022-notification-result-emails |
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Post by roymcavoy on Jul 8, 2022 10:00:27 GMT -5
Pixie, Sorry i posted this in the wrong thread, i lurk now as ive been practicing 25 years in disability and at this a very long time, so i forgot the rules 😁, ok here is a question, do we know if there are people who did not get through the initial requirements, either got a letter saying they did not get through, or never got yesterdays letter telling us we met the requirements, ok back to lurking, good luck to all. Good questions. I posted another poll about this, which will hopefully provide some clarity. aljdiscussion.proboards.com/thread/5529/7-2022-notification-result-emailsThe emails for those with and without emails/interviews are the same, so I think this is just OPM washing its hands of its duty to post this job, aggregate the respondents, and provide them to SSA…. who then made the decisions |
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Post by fowlfinder on Jul 8, 2022 10:39:31 GMT -5
The emails for those with and without emails/interviews are the same, so I think this is just OPM washing its hands of its duty to post this job, aggregate the respondents, and provide them to SSA…. who then made the decisions I agree this is OPM washing its hands. But the bigger question is whether the email is saying SSA is going to hold onto these applications and treat them as a defacto register list to pull from when they want to hire for other geographical locations, or if they will reopen the process again for what ever next round occurs. Unfortunately exegesis of the email could lead to both conclusion IMHO. |
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Post by hillsarealive on Jul 8, 2022 10:42:36 GMT -5
The emails for those with and without emails/interviews are the same, so I think this is just OPM washing its hands of its duty to post this job, aggregate the respondents, and provide them to SSA…. who then made the decisions I agree 100% that this feels like OPM signaling that its role is done. So far, the poll seems to show that everyone got the same email. It seems possible though that there might be a different email for the group of people who did not meet minimum requirements. Either that, or those people were already notified--and we didn't hear much about it on this board. I recall one person saying that his/her proof of current bar membership was not accepted. Perhaps others received similar explanations. |
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Post by march2013 on Jul 8, 2022 11:34:16 GMT -5
I know of two people that received an email stating that their proof of current bar membership was not accepted.
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Post by hopingforalj on Jul 8, 2022 12:22:09 GMT -5
The emails for those with and without emails/interviews are the same, so I think this is just OPM washing its hands of its duty to post this job, aggregate the respondents, and provide them to SSA…. who then made the decisions actually i meant were there any people that did not meet the minimums, and they either got no email, or a rejection email 👍👍 |
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