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Post by jagghagg on Mar 4, 2008 12:43:16 GMT -5
The reason SSA didnt get very far into the scores is that someone with a high score and wide geographic preference can be considered three times before being removed from consideration. I'd love to know - if anyone knows - if there is a process through which we can find out if we were considered 3 times in this process and, no matter what our score may be, we are now banished to the Register hinderland, never to be considered again. Anyone ? While I can not give you a cite to check, it is my understand that if a hiring authority interviews one person on the "most qualitied list" the hiring authority must interview all on that list. It need not interview any on the list. I presume that the cert is treated as a "most qualified list." That is accurate. |
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Post by jagghagg on Mar 4, 2008 12:44:34 GMT -5
...need to enjoy our life without being an ALJ. Well said. |
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Post by testtaker on Mar 4, 2008 13:22:09 GMT -5
I was not selected but I guess I am looking at this differently. We all knew that 2/3 of those interviewed would not be selected. I don't understand the shock some people are feeling. Assuming some of my limited locations come up again, the top 1/3 will no longer be competing. I would imagine that most of the high score candidates who put all locations have been selected. If you have a high score, were willing to go anywhere and did not get picked, I would assume you will not in the future and there was something that they did not like about you. In my case, my score is not great and I would guess they filled the vacancies with higher scored candidates. If another 100 plus are selected in the next 6 months, before opm opens the list again, you should have a much better shot. I agree with your post. However, I was not shocked about the results, just very disappointed. No getting around that! |
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Post by testtaker on Mar 4, 2008 13:28:01 GMT -5
...something that has only slightly better odds than winning the lottery. It can take years to get selected off a register depending on score, availability, who else listed the same cities, etc. Some of us will never be selected and need to enjoy our life without being an ALJ. Right on the money! |
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Post by southernmiss on Mar 4, 2008 15:15:10 GMT -5
Been there, done that. I was on the first register but my score was so low I didn't have a chance. This time, I got knocked out by not putting the date I joined the Bar. I really KNOW what you all are going through, and please allow me to tell you the stages: Disappointment, Anger, Frustration, Disgust, Anhedonia and finally, a return to normal. It may take months, depending on whether anyone in your office was selected. If so, it really won't go away until that person is settled and any new ALJs are on board.
I felt embarrassed. People on the "outside" have no idea of the randomness of the selection and I was pretty sure they thought I was making it up. Frankly, if skill and knowledge were the deciding factors, we would not, in the past, have had so many woefully inadequate judges. The selection is too subjective and there is too much luck involved. Don't get me wrong, the people I know who got the job this time are really good; but then, so were a number of others who were passed over.
All I can say is keep an eye on the future, try to add some experience to your life that addresses the areas of concern on the AR, and then just wait for another chance. Just don't get your hopes up. Good things happen when you lease expect them.
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Post by Propmaster on Mar 4, 2008 15:56:44 GMT -5
I was not selected but I guess I am looking at this differently. We all knew that 2/3 of those interviewed would not be selected. I don't understand the shock some people are feeling. Assuming some of my limited locations come up again, the top 1/3 will no longer be competing. I would imagine that most of the high score candidates who put all locations have been selected. If you have a high score, were willing to go anywhere and did not get picked, I would assume you will not in the future and there was something that they did not like about you. In my case, my score is not great and I would guess they filled the vacancies with higher scored candidates. If another 100 plus are selected in the next 6 months, before opm opens the list again, you should have a much better shot. I like this post. It makes me think that Ms. Rochefort's e-mail to Crazybroad (I got a similar one, too) about "not getting down to your score" was kind of a hopeful message - in other words, "we didn't turn you down because we don't like you, we just didn't get to you." |
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Post by podar on Mar 4, 2008 16:16:24 GMT -5
Assuming the Profile Summary for those offered a job survey is accurate, it’s apparent to me that the selectors picked several (perhaps many) individuals with lower OPM scores than other available candidates (than my score). This makes me feel worse than my prior assumption that my OPM score was too low for selection. I think I was actively passed over for unknown reasons (but I would have to guess it must have been my interview report because all other factors should have been very positive). If so, I must concede that my chances for a future selection on the current data set (so long as whatever it was that caused me to be passed over this time remains in my package) are not just low, but are undeniably and reliably low. It is very difficult not to take this rejection personally.
I am a Senior Attorney of maximum experience in the position, a history of good productivity, and a reputation high quality work. For many years, I have been a key contributor to the quality and productivity of my office. I’m confident that I am held in the highest regard by the ALJs in my office and Regional office, by my supervisors, and by the claimants’ bar. I am an “insider” only in the general sense because I don’t have any central office contacts and I don’t spend time networking on the phone. I believe, and I have been told by all those listed above, that I have demonstrated the ability and other characteristics to perform as a productive ALJ with a short learning curve. I listed a wide availability (a handful of cities less than all). Therefore, I think at least 10 people who responded to the survey have lower OPM scores than mine, but were selected for cities on my list. Because the survey represents a fraction of the new ALJs, I would guess there are 30 or 40 with OPM scores below mine.
Does anyone have an alternative explanation/analysis that might make me feel better about this? If not, are there others reading this with a similar profile and a high 60’s score who want to commiserate with me?
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Post by happy on Mar 4, 2008 16:39:13 GMT -5
I'm wondering why I didn't get a "we didn't get to you" email. Haven't they had enough time to get them all out?
Just wondering . . . .
Anyone else not officially "not selected" yet?
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Post by Propmaster on Mar 4, 2008 16:42:15 GMT -5
I'm wondering why I didn't get a "we didn't get to you" email. Haven't they had enough time to get them all out? Just wondering . . . . Anyone else not officially "not selected" yet? Crazybroad and I asked via e-mail if the offers had all gone out. Someone else phoned (which was way cleverer). Eventually we received an e-mail back. It was not a form e-mail that is going to everyone. P.S. - I got a big letter in the mail and thought it was my rejection, but it was my voucher finally arriving for returning! |
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Post by happy on Mar 4, 2008 16:48:59 GMT -5
Ah. Okay. Question answered.
Thanks!
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Post by nonamouse on Mar 5, 2008 8:45:38 GMT -5
I'm wondering why I didn't get a "we didn't get to you" email. Haven't they had enough time to get them all out? Just wondering . . . . Anyone else not officially "not selected" yet? This agency has some history of not notifying people who were not selected for a position in a timely manner. For example, I initially applied to three offices at the same time as an attorney. I had been working in one office for about 3 months when the first of the rejection letters arrived from another office. I already knew from the internal grapevine that they had finished their selections all about the same time. Yeesh! |
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Post by theoldmajor on Mar 5, 2008 14:23:03 GMT -5
In the words of the Prophet, "It ain't over till it's over." The Deputy Commissioner for Personnel just announced early outs
for all ODAR personnel. If this includes ALJs, anticipate 100
additional retirements NLT 1 Sep 08. Enshallah.
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Post by testtaker on Mar 5, 2008 15:16:34 GMT -5
In the words of the Prophet, "It ain't over till it's over." The Deputy Commissioner for Personnel just announced early outs for all ODAR personnel. If this includes ALJs, anticipate 100 additional retirements NLT 1 Sep 08. Enshallah. Can you explain this for us non-ODAR folks? |
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Post by morgullord on Mar 5, 2008 15:34:21 GMT -5
Rest assured that a later amended announcement will delete ALJs from early retirement eligibility.
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Post by conanthebarbarian on Mar 5, 2008 17:31:23 GMT -5
It has been a few days since I have been able to return to the board. I was among those not receiving an offer and, I must admit, I was quite disappointed. I felt like I had been worked over with a baseball bat. It took several Old Mr. Woodchucks to whip me back into shape. No sniveling for this barbarian. I am waiting for Round 2 (the balance of the 175). If the rumor of another large hiring in 2009 is true I will be waiting for that as well. Does it sound reasonable that they would select from the existing cert for a 2009 hiring instread of re-opening the process? It makes sense to me given that there are still so many (approx. 250??) viable candidates on he cert. Any suggestions? Anyway, my very best wishes for success and good luck to everyone who received offers! CTB
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Post by happy on Mar 5, 2008 19:26:21 GMT -5
CTB - the "cert" was for those specific locations listed and, yeah, there's about 250-300 left on that. However, I think you're talking about the "register" not reopening, and there were around 600 people on that.
So, even after they do the next "short cert," there will still be roughly 400 to cull a cert from for 2009, even eliminating those who have gone to Agencies other than SSA. Here's hoping OPM leaves it alone so that low scorers like me can be reached!
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Post by conanthebarbarian on Mar 5, 2008 19:52:19 GMT -5
happy: Thanks!
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Post by jagghagg on Mar 6, 2008 7:45:05 GMT -5
Does it sound reasonable that they would select from the existing cert for a 2009 hiring instread of re-opening the process? It makes sense to me given that there are still so many (approx. 250??) viable candidates on he cert. CTB - They will not select from the existing cert in their hands. They can't. SSA will have to ask for another cert from OPM which will be culled from the current Register. Rumor has it that the next cert requested will be for 25-30 slots, meaning 75-90 names. Allegedly, the interviews from THAT cert will begin mid-May. And then there's always the 2009 opportunities. |
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Post by conanthebarbarian on Mar 6, 2008 12:44:42 GMT -5
jagghagg: Are you saying that to be considered for "Round 2" we will all have to re-interview and re-interview possibly a third time for "Round 3" in 2009? Do you think the "locations" offered will change for Round 2? Thanks! CTB
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Post by odarite on Mar 6, 2008 12:49:54 GMT -5
Are you saying that to be considered for "Round 2" we will all have to re-interview and re-interview possibly a third time for "Round 3" in 2009? Do you think the "locations" offered will change for Round 2? Conan, anyone who interviewed with SSA for the current (or should I say recent) certificate will not have to interview if they appear on the soon-to-be requested small supplemental certificate. In fact, I doubt very much that they would be required to interview again in 2009, either. They say you won't have to interview if you have been interviewed "recently" which I imagine will cover 2009. Meanwhile, there will definitely be cities on the supplemental certificate that were not on the recent one. |
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