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Post by rp on Sept 25, 2017 15:35:30 GMT -5
One of the major reasons I started this trek when I was otherwise deep into retirement planning (see how I did that without mentioning my age?) is that a person I worked with was hired by ODAR at age 70. I think that the Feds, especially, attempt not to violate age discrimination laws. There was plenty of grey hair in my DC group. In particular, judging calls upon one's experience, wisdom, and insight as much as it does raw knowledge of the law. These can only be acquired in one way that I know of, and that is to get old practicing. New young judges tend, in my experience, to be more arrogant, rash, and less forgiving - more "judgmental" if you will - than those with some years under their belt. This does not mean that a 30-something can't make a good judge. It does not mean that The Ancients all make good judges (I wasn't impressed by that 70-year-old). It only means that I think it becomes an easier and more natural function when backed up by some years. And given that 65 is the new 47, there's no reason to think that ODAR can't be a fine second career starting in one's 50s or 60s. Note the absence of an apostrophe in 50s and 60s. Teacher's pet! |
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Post by rhd on Sept 25, 2017 16:22:34 GMT -5
Note the absence of an apostrophe in 50s and 60s. Teacher's pet! I wear this brown nose with great pride. |
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Post by ok1956 on Sept 25, 2017 17:18:54 GMT -5
I wear this brown nose with great pride. This warrants more than a mere like! 😂😂😂 |
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Post by foghorn on Sept 26, 2017 14:04:44 GMT -5
They will only consider applicants from the local area, no matter how many times you hit that nail. If it says local area, or words to that effect, that is what they want. In his above post, bayou gave some of the reasons. As a hiring official, the last thing I want to do is to hire a candidate and have her go back home after being trained by our office. I have lost that FTE, and another may not be available for a couple of years. Pixie
I also assume that if they talk about relocation allowance they expect that some applicants will be from outside the area.
Or are you saying agencies always hire from the local area regardless?
As to the last point, a local may be dissatisfied and decide to leave anyway--seems someone who has invested in a lease at least will be there for 12 months barring some personal catastrophe --severe illness of spouse or parent for example.
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Post by phoenixrisingALJ on Sept 26, 2017 16:28:55 GMT -5
I don't think anyone can tell you agencies always hire locally. I do think an experienced manager will have a list of things s/he is looking for... for some managers this may very well include - I only want locals because I have been burned by folks saying they will commute - or relocate...
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Post by Pixie on Sept 26, 2017 21:41:17 GMT -5
They will only consider applicants from the local area, no matter how many times you hit that nail. If it says local area, or words to that effect, that is what they want. In his above post, bayou gave some of the reasons. As a hiring official, the last thing I want to do is to hire a candidate and have her go back home after being trained by our office. I have lost that FTE, and another may not be available for a couple of years. Pixie
I also assume that if they talk about relocation allowance they expect that some applicants will be from outside the area.
Or are you saying agencies always hire from the local area regardless?
As to the last point, a local may be dissatisfied and decide to leave anyway--seems someone who has invested in a lease at least will be there for 12 months barring some personal catastrophe --severe illness of spouse or parent for example.
The last thing I want is an employee who is only there for 12 months or even 36 months before she leaves. When an employee goes elsewhere, I have lost that FTE for an unknown period of time - maybe two or three years. Local hires seldom leave (although sometimes we wish they would). Those hired outside of the local area usually try to get back home within a few years. That has been my experience as the one who signs the paperwork after the check marks have been made. Pixie |
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Post by foghorn on Sept 27, 2017 10:57:18 GMT -5
RE: The last thing I want is an employee who is only there for 12 months or even 36 months before she leaves. When an employee goes elsewhere, I have lost that FTE for an unknown period of time - maybe two or three years. Local hires seldom leave (although sometimes we wish they would). Those hired outside of the local area usually try to get back home within a few years. That has been my experience as the one who signs the paperwork after the check marks have been made. Pixie
It is perhaps one of those unfortunate realities of life, like nepotism and office politics, that are none the less facts on the ground that have to be considered. (As a former DC resident, there is a certain irony that I may no longer be welcome in a town filled with arrivistes who wish to pull up the drawbridge now that they're in--but I get it. You can't go home any more). Bearing this in mind, in the perhaps unlikely event an out-of-area applicant is called for an interview, are there any points they should bring up to deal with what may be an underlying "we-are-just-calling-you-to-go-through-the-paces-check-the-boxes"subtext ?
To what extent is this true of ALJ positions? Are people with wide GAL's being delusional? May only those from the Great Lakes area apply to Mt. Pleasant?
As to non-ALJ positions is this true at all levels but only low to mid or mid to higher?
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Post by foghorn on Sept 27, 2017 12:55:06 GMT -5
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Post by aljwishhope on Sept 27, 2017 13:57:10 GMT -5
My thought in reply to Foghorn regarding not being a local and dealing with that at interview is IMHO if they invite you to interview it is either a nonissue because they want you regardless (or you are one of the seriously considered)
In other words no interview would occur if being local was so important.
All we can do is apply for the jobs we are qualified for and interested in and hope for the best.
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Post by foghorn on Oct 9, 2017 9:54:09 GMT -5
monster salary for those with the right quals:https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/480160700
note several others in the attorney/attorney advisor category with Army, AF, CG for those with specialized knowledge of maritime regs.
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Post by Pixie on Oct 9, 2017 13:22:29 GMT -5
My thought in reply to Foghorn regarding not being a local and dealing with that at interview is IMHO if they invite you to interview it is either a nonissue because they want you regardless (or you are one of the seriously considered)
In other words no interview would occur if being local was so important. All we can do is apply for the jobs we are qualified for and interested in and hope for the best. I have always been told that if I get, say, three names on the qualified list, I must interview all of them if I interview one of them. So, there may be one we are really interested in and one who has not a chance, but we are advised to interview all three. Pixie |
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Post by Prrple on Oct 9, 2017 16:34:32 GMT -5
My thought in reply to Foghorn regarding not being a local and dealing with that at interview is IMHO if they invite you to interview it is either a nonissue because they want you regardless (or you are one of the seriously considered)
In other words no interview would occur if being local was so important. All we can do is apply for the jobs we are qualified for and interested in and hope for the best. I have always been told that if I get, say, three names on the qualified list, I must interview all of them if I interview one of them. So, there may be one we are really interested in and one who has not a chance, but we are advised to interview all three. Pixie Yes, this is the guidance. Always. |
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Post by Serious, J. on Oct 9, 2017 17:29:10 GMT -5
I understand an ALJ transferred to a city where he grew up/still has extended family there including aging parents, leaving wife and children behind so the kids could finish out the school year. The wife had an attorney advisor position with another agency, and when she applied for an attorney advisor position at her husband's permanent duty station/agency, she was told they would not consider her because she was still at the old location and was not living locally.
Yes, the people who would interview her knew their situation. It seems illogical to me. It must be a hard and fast rule.
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Post by aljwishhope on Oct 10, 2017 5:53:39 GMT -5
I have always been told that if I get, say, three names on the qualified list, I must interview all of them if I interview one of them. So, there may be one we are really interested in and one who has not a chance, but we are advised to interview all three. Pixie Yes, this is the guidance. Always. The point is missed here. Where you live is still not an issue if you reach interview. So either they are really interested in you or they are totally wasting your and their time interviewing you so who cares where you live which frankly is over the top annoying or they are seriously considering you regardless of where you live. |
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Post by foghorn on Oct 10, 2017 9:39:29 GMT -5
I have always been told that if I get, say, three names on the qualified list, I must interview all of them if I interview one of them. So, there may be one we are really interested in and one who has not a chance, but we are advised to interview all three. Pixie Yes, this is the guidance. Always. |
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Post by foghorn on Oct 12, 2017 13:40:50 GMT -5
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Post by wendy on Oct 12, 2017 21:17:12 GMT -5
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Post by jessejames on Oct 12, 2017 21:37:22 GMT -5
Sounds like a dream job, no unruly lawyers or claimants, no medical records to review, no opinion deadlines, and get to be out of the office and become one with nature on most days.
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Post by foghorn on Oct 13, 2017 10:54:54 GMT -5
And, unlike all the attorney/judge announcements, they pay relocation expenses! How bad is that!
Time to brush up on your animal husbandry (and foal midwifery?) campers! Reno--in the Eastern Sierras, near some good microbreweries, great climbing & hiking, and skiing/snowshoeing.
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Post by foghorn on Oct 13, 2017 10:56:48 GMT -5
And no conniptions over which type of bar certification you got either!
(wendy must have the good computer skills--my job search for Judge also pulls in all the cook positions that are $17.50 per hour--shows what my computer thinks of my search for judge type positions).
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