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Post by SPN Lifer on Sept 27, 2020 21:43:33 GMT -5
So Columbus doesn't possess his day, but St. Patrick possesses his? Sainthood has its privileges. There is a whole calendar of saints' days, more than one for every day of the year. It's a religious thing. |
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Post by nylawyer on Sept 28, 2020 8:50:46 GMT -5
So, why doesn't Columbus Day get an apostrophe? Maybe his real name was Columbu and they forgot they apostrophe when they gave him a "Day.". That said, it's like the old "Take Your Secretary to Lunch Day," which became "Secretary Day," and then, what "Administrative Assistant Day"? The "Day" is not possessive or possessed. "Flag Day," not "Flag's Day." I forgot, I believe his name actually wasn't Columbus, it was something like Colon or Columbo. |
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Post by Pixie on Sept 28, 2020 9:55:12 GMT -5
Maybe his real name was Columbu and they forgot they apostrophe when they gave him a "Day.". That said, it's like the old "Take Your Secretary to Lunch Day," which became "Secretary Day," and then, what "Administrative Assistant Day"? The "Day" is not possessive or possessed. "Flag Day," not "Flag's Day." I forgot, I believe his name actually wasn't Columbus, it was something like Colon or Columbo. Well, whatever his name was in the old land, it is now Columbus. So, that raises the question of the possessive. Would it be Columbus' Day or Columbus's Day? Pixie |
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Post by superalj on Sept 28, 2020 14:28:15 GMT -5
It’s Columbus Day. Columbus does not own the day. Although Indigenous Peoples Day is preferable.
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Post by nylawyer on Sept 28, 2020 15:55:59 GMT -5
Indigenous Peoples' Day.
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Post by superalj on Sept 28, 2020 18:34:48 GMT -5
It is not a day that belongs to indigenous peoples, it honors them just like Veterans Day.
This is what happens when Pixie locks the interesting threads like the SCOTUS nominee. Lol
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Post by jagvet on Sept 28, 2020 23:04:29 GMT -5
It is not a day that belongs to indigenous peoples, it honors them just like Veterans Day. This is what happens when Pixie locks the interesting threads like the SCOTUS nominee. Lol Exactly. We resort to bad attempts at "humor." I hope all who fasted had a happy Yom Kippur's Day! |
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Post by Pixie on Sept 29, 2020 8:14:28 GMT -5
It is not a day that belongs to indigenous peoples, it honors them just like Veterans Day. This is what happens when Pixie locks the interesting threads like the SCOTUS nominee. Lol It was going to get political in a hurry. So no one wants to take a shot at the singular possessive of Columbus? Forget the holiday. Is it Columbus' ship or Columbus's ship? Pixie |
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Post by nylawyer on Sept 29, 2020 8:42:48 GMT -5
It is not a day that belongs to indigenous peoples, it honors them just like Veterans Day. This is what happens when Pixie locks the interesting threads like the SCOTUS nominee. Lol It was going to get political in a hurry. So no one wants to take a shot at the singular possessive of Columbus? Forget the holiday. Is it Columbus' ship or Columbus's ship? Pixie Neither. They were King Phillip's ships, Columbus (or whatever his name was) just got to borrow them. But, of course, that assumes you subscribe to a view that property can in fact be owned by an individual, who can do with it as they please, rather than the collective which permits temporary possession only for the purpose of bettering society as a whole. But that is another discussion, that I fear would also get political in a hurry. |
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Post by tom b on Sept 29, 2020 10:09:50 GMT -5
Would that we had a language whose nouns, verbs, modifiers, etc., were inflected! Columbi navis, for example (or, in deference to nylawyer, regis philippi navis or even nationis hispaniae navis). Instead we are left to wrangle the mighty apostrophe (and Pixie knows how hard it is to herd us cats; imagine how hard it must be to control punctuation).
Respectfully, Tom B |
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Post by tom b on Sept 29, 2020 10:18:14 GMT -5
Would that we had a language whose nouns, verbs, modifiers, etc., were inflected! Columbi navis, for example (or, in deference to nylawyer, regis philippi navis or even nationis hispaniae navis). Instead we are left to wrangle the mighty apostrophe (and Pixie knows how hard it is to herd us cats; imagine how hard it must be to control punctuation).
Respectfully, Tom B Those of you who are eagle-eyed Latin scholars will note that I used the singular "navis" instead of the plural "naves." To paraphrase Dirty Harry, in all the excitement I kind of lost track myself. |
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Post by nylawyer on Sept 29, 2020 10:19:06 GMT -5
Or the old school Nauibus Hispania. (For ships instead of boats).
Edit- posted at same time as Tom's 2nd post above.
And I admit to using Google translate to find the Latin for "ship", while i took Latin for 4 years I rarely get to practice.
And given that the Roman fleet would have consisted of galleys not sure why they would have words that distinguish between a ship and a boat.
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Post by Pixie on Sept 29, 2020 11:40:58 GMT -5
Or the old school Nauibus Hispania. (For ships instead of boats). Edit- posted at same time as Tom's 2nd post above. And I admit to using Google translate to find the Latin for "ship", while i took Latin for 4 years I rarely get to practice. And given that the Roman fleet would have consisted of galleys not sure why they would have words that distinguish between a ship and a boat. Anyone know the difference between a ship and a boat? Or to phrase it another way, how to distinguish a boat from a ship? Surely some of you Canoe U graduates will know, or just regular ole Navy veterans. Pixie |
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Post by tom b on Sept 29, 2020 12:02:17 GMT -5
Or the old school Nauibus Hispania. (For ships instead of boats). Edit- posted at same time as Tom's 2nd post above. And I admit to using Google translate to find the Latin for "ship", while i took Latin for 4 years I rarely get to practice. And given that the Roman fleet would have consisted of galleys not sure why they would have words that distinguish between a ship and a boat. Anyone know the difference between a ship and a boat? Or to phrase it another way, how to distinguish a boat from a ship? Surely some of you Canoe U graduates will know, or just regular ole Navy veterans. Pixie Yes.
The description of "boats" appears in Navy Regulation 0855 (and a warning to those of you who go on-line to the Navy Regulations website: it takes a huge amount of time to load). Boats are essentially an extension of the ship or aircraft to which they are attached. (But in submarine jargon, a "boat" is actually the commissioned vessel, i.e., the submarine.) There are either OPNAV or SECNAV instructions on the status of vessels (in commission, in service, etc.) that I once remembered having to research for an issue or two, but I've lost touch with that part of my life.
Think of it this way: If it fits on a ship or in an aircraft, it's a "boat." But the status as a sovereign piece of the United States is the same whether it's a ship, boat, or aircraft.
And the ring that I knock is not one from one of the service academies (USMA, USNA, USAF, USMMA).
Respectfully, Tom B
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Post by tom b on Sept 29, 2020 12:02:39 GMT -5
Shame on me; left out USCGA.
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Post by nylawyer on Sept 29, 2020 12:50:10 GMT -5
To my original point, my civilian understanding would be that a ship is designed to travel in deep water, open ocean; whereas a boat is not.
As far as I know, the Romans had no ships designed for ocean travel, they used galleys whether in the Mediterranean or in crossing the English channel. They would have no need for a word to distinguish between a boat and a ship.
I am very willing to be corrected on this, I'm by no means a scholar on the Roman Empire. I am relying way too heavily on Sid Meier's Civilization and Europa Universalis 4.
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Post by Pixie on Sept 29, 2020 18:40:17 GMT -5
Well, no one has the answer. Tomorrow I will post what I think to be the correct answer. Can't do it tonight as I have to prepare for the debate. Pixie
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Post by SPN Lifer on Sept 29, 2020 19:35:08 GMT -5
For words ending in "s", usually the normal singular form ending is used — apostrophe "s". However, in certain very rare cases, solely an apostrophe is used, as if the underlying word were plural.
Strunk & White, The Elements of Style has a good summary explanation.
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Post by SPN Lifer on Sept 29, 2020 19:37:47 GMT -5
Fun fact: The Army has more vessels than the Navy and more aircraft than the Air Force — mostly helicopters.
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Post by hamster on Sept 29, 2020 20:37:25 GMT -5
Shame on me; left out USCGA. Who? Aim high! Respectfully, Hamster |
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