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Post by sta on Dec 22, 2018 11:11:07 GMT -5
What's the potential penalty for being AWOL despite having pre-approved leave this week? Having experienced shutdowns over the last 20 to 30 years, the only penalty that occurred when you took preapproved annual leave was that you were in effect treated worse than employees who were furloughed during the shutdown, because Congress always after the fact has paid employees' salary, who were initially not paid and did not work during the shutdown time period. In other words, if you expect a shutdown, you would be better off cancelling your annual leave before the shut down started. |
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Post by mercury on Dec 22, 2018 11:23:03 GMT -5
My question may have been buried, but I understand it’s business as usual as far as SSA goes. My question is about payroll from Interior—anyone heard anything about that?
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Post by christina on Dec 22, 2018 11:31:17 GMT -5
My question may have been buried, but I understand it’s business as usual as far as SSA goes. My question is about payroll from Interior—anyone heard anything about that? Uh no.... 🙀 |
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Post by Thomas fka Lance on Dec 22, 2018 12:51:10 GMT -5
My question may have been buried, but I understand it’s business as usual as far as SSA goes. My question is about payroll from Interior—anyone heard anything about that? I do not know the "official" answer, but this is part of an article from the Washington Post: "I’m a federal worker. Am I getting paid? Paychecks for the pay period ending Saturday “should be issued at the normal time (generally, in the December 28 to January 3 time range),” the budget office said in a planning document. Employees deemed essential, otherwise known as “excepted workers,” who must work during the shutdown, will get paid for that time after the shutdown, according to guidance released by the Office of Personnel Management. For furloughed employees, however, it’s up to Congress whether they get paid for the shutdown period; after every previous shutdown, Congress has passed legislation mandating that furloughed workers be paid." That OPM guidance appears here: www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/furlough-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf |
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Post by SPN Lifer on Dec 22, 2018 13:50:31 GMT -5
The OPM guidance refers to employees of agencies directly affected by the shutdown.
It does not refer to unaffected agencies whose payroll is processed by another affected department, such as Agriculture in Louisiana or Interior in Colorado.
That is the unanswered question. Is such payroll processing deemed “essential”?
My guess would be “yes”, but I suppose we will have to wait (or hopefully not) to find out.
Since many or most agencies had an early closeout of webTA, such as to allow USDOJ employees to be paid by Agriculture from New Orleans this year, my hypothetical about consequences on retirement “high three” calculations may not be put to the test this time.
The only other government shutdown at the end of a calendar year was in 1995. Perhaps some who retired in 1998 got a (very) slight “pension spike”?
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Post by christina on Dec 22, 2018 13:59:45 GMT -5
well it's certainly essential in my mind!!!!
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Post by SPN Lifer on Dec 22, 2018 18:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by SPN Lifer on Dec 24, 2018 7:35:43 GMT -5
I just hope he doesn't cancel Festivus. If he’s not fond of the rest of us he just might. I would think though that Festivus is safe, at least through Trump’s airing of his grievances. That's two good ones in a row, Gary. Someone with little sense of humor will soon be scolding us to get back on topic. Can't we have any fun? For those who do not watch television, this article explains the Seinfeld references and carries forward the foregoing humor. thehill.com/homenews/senate/422691-rand-pauls-festivus-grievances-include-comparing-lindsey-graham-to-senator |
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Post by acttwo on Dec 26, 2018 11:15:45 GMT -5
A sense of humor is one of the few things no one can ever take from you, at least not for long. So please, have some fun before we all melt away!
PS anyone else see the articles about 1923 works going into the public domain next month? More good stuff out there soon!
C'mon, TPTBs, compromise, and let's get back to business!
Smile!
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Post by foghorn on Dec 26, 2018 15:11:55 GMT -5
Kudos to the folks at OPM or DoJ? who are getting out notices of vacancies.
During this lag time, EOIR I can meet for a second interview at your convenience. Let's schedule something soon, and avoid the rush, shall we?
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Post by superalj on Dec 27, 2018 11:13:00 GMT -5
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Post by kylearan on Dec 27, 2018 16:41:50 GMT -5
Now that I’m off duty and off govt property I can observe that he’s exactly right; most of those affected are in the cities and suburbs, especially places like northern Virginia which is a Democrat hotspot. It’s incredible that, just to appease ILLEGALS, Democrats are throwing their own legal voters under the bus. |
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Post by lurkerbelow on Dec 27, 2018 16:54:01 GMT -5
Uh-huh. No comment.
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Post by upbeat on Dec 27, 2018 17:26:10 GMT -5
Are you seriously using the term "illegals"? Please, keep it civil.
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Post by Pixie on Dec 27, 2018 17:40:14 GMT -5
This is getting more political than we want to be. Let's get away from politics. Pixie
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Post by foghorn on Dec 27, 2018 19:55:06 GMT -5
Looks like Congress will, as a fitting capstone to the session, do nothing (hence the expression "Congress sits?"). Their voters have told them to go perform certain acts and they appear to be having Acts of Congress with each other in response to the voters' wishes that they do so. www.nytimes.com/2018/12/27/us/politics/government-shutdown-trump-democrats.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=HomepageA technical point to the polemic stated above about Democrats being allegedly willing to throw "their own voters" under some bus. I know a lot of Democratic politicians, their staffs, their Campaign Chairs (as well as a few Republicans) and can assure you that with modern software they know not only who can vote but who does. Under no circumstances will they value a person who can, let alone does vote for them, less than a person who can't vote for them (or anyone else). That may not be noble, but it is a truth--ask any of the board members from the great City of Chicago, shining diadem of the Land of Lincoln. However I see a possible opening which is that Mr. Trump referred to " .....A wall, a fence, whatever they want to call it." Now there's a big cost difference per mile between a mile of wall and a mile of fence. Also he's always been careful to use the term wall. The Dems have included money in their package for fence. I see a face saving possibility between the two. As 'twas said on that night so clear, "Angels sing...... and cash goes ka-ching!" (the latter being a reference to the sound of the quorum call. or a quorum call.) And the lion shall sit down to a lamb dinner. |
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Post by foghorn on Dec 27, 2018 20:08:27 GMT -5
apologies for a double post but saw this and it's useful knowledge for y'all federal employees: thehill.com/policy/finance/423060-opm-tweets-sample-letters-for-furloughed-federal-employees-dealing-withAnother thought --if during this period either you have a payment missed or late, you copy those letters and send them in under the Fair Credit Reporting Act's right to explain circumstances outside of your control. The National Consumer Law Center will also have information on how to have your say about unfortunate blems on your credit rating. |
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Post by banks on Dec 27, 2018 21:07:24 GMT -5
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Post by jimmyjiggles on Dec 27, 2018 21:15:39 GMT -5
Not for SSA. As I understand it, SSA is funded, and we are not furloughed. The guy in the story is furloughed, in which case all leave is cancelled. That said, I’m not sure we are getting paychecks after the next one. |
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Post by natethegreat on Dec 28, 2018 11:46:16 GMT -5
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