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Post by nylawyer on Feb 1, 2019 10:48:25 GMT -5
In our office, there is about an even split as to whether there will be another partial shutdown in 2 weeks. But, of more concern, is that when the debt ceiling issue comes up in the springs, the entire government could shut down. Hopefully, the adults will come together and this shall not be a problem. I don't know that failure to raise the debt ceiling would lead to the government shutting down. Of course, I don't really know where that path goes, and I don't want to know. With apologies to Frost, sometimes the road less traveled is the one where the travelers are consistently mauled and eaten by bears. |
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Post by foghorn on Feb 1, 2019 17:24:30 GMT -5
given the revenue sag caused by the Tax cutting (the wisdom of which I shall refreain from commenting on), sure looks like that debt ceiling may have to be raised. OK an "emergency " could be called, but ......that's not the legal definition.
I think a lot will happen depending on how this shutdown is resolved, and who the public blames. I note a lot on the GOP side of the aisle have been acting like their phones were ringing and it wasn't all folk congratualting them for standing strong etc. So if that drift continues, look for the debt ceiling to be raised or other items reconfigured but the elephant is getting in that tent bigtime. Spring being election season for local and some state-wides, I don't know that Spring is when either party wants voters really honked off to a fare-thee-well.
Bet on the shutdown if you will, but might want to get odds or have a side bet the other way, with matchsticks I mean.
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Post by jagvet on Feb 1, 2019 17:57:11 GMT -5
I don't think the debt ceiling issue directly equals shutdown. In past years, the Secretary of the Treasury has been able to move money around while Congress was stalled on it, but if no spending appropriation, the agencies "shut down" like last week. I put that in quotes, because there's now a law on the books guaranteeing salaries. That doesn't help people's cash flow, but it's sort of a back door appropriation. Anyway, my bet is this:
No agreement on wall. President uses executive order to build. US District judge in 9th circuit enjoins walls in 9th and 11th Circuits (and all other circuits). 9th Circuit affirms, and wall sits unbuilt until USSC decides in 2020. Congress passes another CR after a 3 or 4 day shutdown without wall funding. President vetoes 2 or 3 times, and then signs it.
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Post by arkstfan on Feb 4, 2019 15:47:02 GMT -5
I don't think the debt ceiling issue directly equals shutdown. In past years, the Secretary of the Treasury has been able to move money around while Congress was stalled on it, but if no spending appropriation, the agencies "shut down" like last week. I put that in quotes, because there's now a law on the books guaranteeing salaries. That doesn't help people's cash flow, but it's sort of a back door appropriation. Anyway, my bet is this: No agreement on wall. President uses executive order to build. US District judge in 9th circuit enjoins walls in 9th and 11th Circuits (and all other circuits). 9th Circuit affirms, and wall sits unbuilt until USSC decides in 2020. Congress passes another CR after a 3 or 4 day shutdown without wall funding. President vetoes 2 or 3 times, and then signs it. Think you mean the 10th circuit instead of 11th. The 10th includes New Mexico. The 11th is Gulf Coast and Atlantic Coast states. 5th is likely where the bulk of the takings cases will be though there may be some stiff environmental litigation related to Big Bend National Park in the 5th as well. |
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Post by foghorn on Feb 8, 2019 17:46:47 GMT -5
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Post by foghorn on Feb 11, 2019 13:37:39 GMT -5
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Post by foghorn on Feb 12, 2019 15:55:03 GMT -5
I assume everyone has heard about the tentative deal, and to save face members of each party are trying to posture by saying things like "Well I have to look at it before I'll say defintely." Riiiight, like they can't wait to face the wrath of the voters especially in their first term. (In caucus they were murmuring pass something, pass anything , just pass a g-damn compromise ! Give him 3 feet of wall and paint it pink ! But pass it!"
So I think it will pass, now the President has been making noises like they've found a source of money he can use. At this point no one is telling him otherwise just so he signs whaever they give him and they'll litigate misapplication f funds issues later. But there will be statements, tweets, agony, and as with any good Melville book, whaling & gnashing of teeth.
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Post by superalj on Feb 15, 2019 17:57:51 GMT -5
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Post by Pixie on Feb 15, 2019 18:57:09 GMT -5
I assume everyone has heard about the tentative deal, and to save face members of each party are trying to posture by saying things like "Well I have to look at it before I'll say defintely." Riiiight, like they can't wait to face the wrath of the voters especially in their first term. (In caucus they were murmuring pass something, pass anything , just pass a g-damn compromise ! Give him 3 feet of wall and paint it pink ! But pass it!" So I think it will pass, now the President has been making noises like they've found a source of money he can use. At this point no one is telling him otherwise just so he signs whaever they give him and they'll litigate misapplication f funds issues later. But there will be statements, tweets, agony, and as with any good Melville book, whaling & gnashing of teeth. Yes, they found the source of money in Mexico. |
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Post by foghorn on Feb 15, 2019 19:13:02 GMT -5
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Post by jagvet on Feb 17, 2019 20:43:14 GMT -5
I don't think the debt ceiling issue directly equals shutdown. In past years, the Secretary of the Treasury has been able to move money around while Congress was stalled on it, but if no spending appropriation, the agencies "shut down" like last week. I put that in quotes, because there's now a law on the books guaranteeing salaries. That doesn't help people's cash flow, but it's sort of a back door appropriation. Anyway, my bet is this: No agreement on wall. President uses executive order to build. US District judge in 9th circuit enjoins walls in 9th and 11th Circuits (and all other circuits). 9th Circuit affirms, and wall sits unbuilt until USSC decides in 2020. Congress passes another CR after a 3 or 4 day shutdown without wall funding. President vetoes 2 or 3 times, and then signs it. OK. I got some of this right, some wrong, but I cracked up watching President's comments on court process. I DID NOT WRITE HIS REMARKS. He must be trolling this Board! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 22:38:10 GMT -5
I suspect we did not get any raise. The federal Government cannot afford it |
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Post by Pixie on Feb 18, 2019 8:31:15 GMT -5
Read in the paper yesterday morning that Trump is considering taking 3.6 B from the Armed Forces construction fund. Great idea. Take it from the Air Force. It has all the nice, new and permanent buildings with tile roofs it needs. Don't take it from the Army or the Marine Corps. All they have are tents and wooden WWII temporary buildings. If they take away our tents, where will the troopers sleep? Sort of like trying to get fat from a starving man—it just isn't there. Time for the AF to step up and be a lad about this. No shutdown and the federal employees get a raise. Pixie
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Post by Prrple on Feb 18, 2019 10:06:25 GMT -5
Read in the paper yesterday morning that Trump is considering taking 3.6 B from the Armed Forces construction fund. Great idea. Take it from the Air Force. It has all the nice, new and permanent buildings with tile roofs it needs. Don't take it from the Army or the Marine Corps. All they have are tents and wooden WWII temporary buildings. If they take away our tents, where will the troopers sleep? Sort of like trying to get fat from a starving man—it just isn't there. Time for the AF to step up and be a lad about this. No shutdown and the federal employees get a raise. Pixie AF needs its golf courses to be built and maintained. The AF understands, and the other branches forget: MWR matters |
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Post by Pixie on Feb 18, 2019 15:10:56 GMT -5
Won't be any Morale or Welfare if the tents for the troopers are sacrificed for the wall.
I know it is a foreign concept, but maybe the AF should give up one of its golf courses so the Army and Marines can keep most of their tents.
Semper Fi, Pixie
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Post by aljnoobie on Feb 18, 2019 15:40:01 GMT -5
Or at least give up on the boxed lunches with name brand candy and chips - right there you can save millions.....
Airborne, all the way !!
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Post by foghorn on Feb 18, 2019 16:06:26 GMT -5
Read in the paper yesterday morning that Trump is considering taking 3.6 B from the Armed Forces construction fund. Great idea. Take it from the Air Force. It has all the nice, new and permanent buildings with tile roofs it needs. Don't take it from the Army or the Marine Corps. All they have are tents and wooden WWII temporary buildings. If they take away our tents, where will the troopers sleep? Sort of like trying to get fat from a starving man—it just isn't there. Time for the AF to step up and be a lad about this. No shutdown and the federal employees get a raise. Pixie
However I do appreciate the comments on the Marines. Always striving mightily with far less. Getting for air ground support those aircraft & helicopters all the other services think they may have.
Though I've heard some lawyers saying it's not a true emergency, I did note that the c-in-c had to evacuate to his SoCom Center at Mc Dill (report said MarALago but that must be a typo as SoCom is at McDill.) (Though it could be tactical disinformation at a time of crisis).
Heartening to see the President keeping up a stream of positive encouragement for the public and those in the armed services, unceasing service.
And such is the respect Marines-- and I'm sure Army combat arms-- have for the c-in-c and all those who serve our country, even though they may have severe and disabling plantar faciitis, that I'm sure they'd be happy, delighted* in fact to give up yet another item and sleep in the rain if it meant an unnecessary and hyper expensive anachronism-on-arrival like Camp Leatherneck could be built for 242 times what it cost to build Leatherneck. Edifice Rex!
* Even more than happiness, Marines are filled with delight! You can see it in their faces: It's what they mean by "that old Marine Corps Spirit."
In fact most Marines,if not all, just can't wait to transfer that spirit of delight to others. Which could be why Generals John "Fabulous" Kelly and James "Nirvanna" Mattis had to leave--their spirit might have made the White House too much a place of joyous good cheer when there was so much incredibly important work to be done.
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Post by Prrple on Feb 19, 2019 11:45:45 GMT -5
Won't be any Morale or Welfare if the tents for the troopers are sacrificed for the wall. I know it is a foreign concept, but maybe the AF should give up one of its golf courses so the Army and Marines can keep most of their tents. Semper Fi, Pixie AF strategy - always build the golf courses first. After you run out of money for mission critical tasks, new appropriations follow. This strategy has worked for decades.
Also, I am that rarest of rare breeds - former AF officer who does not and did not golf. I'm pretty sure I should get a ribbon for this feat.
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Post by neufenland on Feb 19, 2019 11:56:48 GMT -5
Won't be any Morale or Welfare if the tents for the troopers are sacrificed for the wall. I know it is a foreign concept, but maybe the AF should give up one of its golf courses so the Army and Marines can keep most of their tents. Semper Fi, Pixie AF strategy - always build the golf courses first. After you run out of money for mission critical tasks, new appropriations follow. This strategy has worked for decades.
Also, I am that rarest of rare breeds - former AF officer who does not and did not golf. I'm pretty sure I should get a ribbon for this feat.
I was an Air Force officer who didn’t golf. I did play a little AFTER getting out, but not while active. Of course, I was stationed in North Dakota at the famed “Why Not?” base (which did, incidentally, have a nine hole course...usable for like two weeks out of the year, I guess, but they had it). |
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Post by nylawyer on Sept 21, 2020 19:45:13 GMT -5
Thought I'd bring back this thread, an oldie but goody.
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