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Post by Pixie on Dec 8, 2018 13:21:42 GMT -5
I think that this particular mistake takes the cake for being the most offensive Christmas music ever created. Now that is a mess. Surely the organist could hear it? |
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Post by hopefalj on Dec 8, 2018 14:19:21 GMT -5
It’s funny how different generations are offended by different things. I am of the generation not offended by the song. I watch some 80’s movies and laugh and cringe a little. I was recently schooled by my 11 yo daughter. Our local high school had an Indian mascot. After much debate, the name stayed but all Native American images were banned. I was watching the Redskin game and my daughter thought it was a mistake because she couldn’t believe that after our local issue that a pro team would have that name. For good or bad, a lot of things we see and hear will likely change in the next 25 years. Isn't that how it's always been? The younger generation is disgusted by what the older generation once did while the older generation is also shocked by the behavior of the younger generation? I'm sure plenty of the folks that think it's ridiculous that radio stations aren't playing a somewhat rapey song have also made comments like, "I can't believe that teenager is wearing that/doing that/sharing that on social media. My parents never would've let me do that!" |
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Post by acttwo on Dec 13, 2018 11:02:11 GMT -5
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Post by christina on Dec 13, 2018 12:06:11 GMT -5
Ya know I don’t even like bico but with all the coverage, i keep humming it this year without meaning to.
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Post by gary on Dec 13, 2018 12:38:11 GMT -5
And what about, “Hark, Harold the Angel Sings?” That’s gotta hurt all of the angels who were left out.
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Post by jimmyjiggles on Dec 13, 2018 12:50:52 GMT -5
Interesting read. Lines about spiking peoples drinks have certainly not aged well (does anyone recall Cosby’s Spanish Fly stand up routine from the 60s/early 70s)? One difference between the Stones or R Kelley is that they are not Christmas/holiday music. What makes BICO creepy (to me) is the contrast between the music and melody - very wintery/home mood type music - and the seeming creepiness of some of the guys lines. Also as far as I know the Stones did not advocate spiking people’s drinks (though I am not a fan so who knows). Catchy song though, and the backlash to it has only made it more popular this year it seems. |
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Post by jimmyjiggles on Dec 13, 2018 12:56:06 GMT -5
I suppose you’ve all seen by now the controversy about the Christmas song “Baby, It’s Cold Outside,” and some radio stations refusing to play it because they think it’s rapey. Personally I never cared for the song but every time it’s on I listen just to irritate the wackos. So, I got to thinking, should we really be creating a grievance industry out of Christmas songs, analyzing the lyrics for something to be offended by? I saw online a list of questionable Yuletide ditties, and added some objections of my own: 1. “I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus” - perceived infidelity; subjecting minors to soft-core porn 2. “The Christmas Song” - Open fire? Pollution. Folks dressed up like Eskimos? Cultural appropriation. PLUS it only wishes Merry Christmas to kids from 1 to 92. Flagrant age discrimination against people 93 and up! 3. “Holly Jolly Christmas” - Kiss her once for me. Unwanted advances? 4. “White Christmas” - Racist? 5. “Santa Claus is Coming to Town” - Sees you when you’re sleeping? Knows when you’re awake? Peeping Tom stalker 6. “Most Wonderful Time of the Year” - Everyone telling you be of good cheer? Forced to hide depression 7. “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” - Bullying 8. “It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas” - Forced gender-specific gifts: dolls for Janice and Jen and boots and pistols (GUNS!) for Barney and Ben 9. “Santa Baby” - Gold digger, blackmail 10. “Frosty the Snowman” - Sexist; not a snow woman 11. “Do You Hear What I Hear” - Blatant disregard for the hearing impaired 12. “Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas” - Make the yuletide GAY? Wow, just wow! 13. “Jingle Bell Rock” - Giddy up jingle horse, pick up your feet: animal abuse 14. “Mistletoe and Holly” - Overeating, folks stealing a kiss or two? How did this song ever see the light of day? 15. “Winter Wonderland” - Parson Brown demanding they get married…forced partnership 16. "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer" - elder abuse and gratuitous violence 17. “The Twelve Days Of Christmas” - insensitivity to single people who don’t have a true love (but at least they don’t have to worry about all those partridges in pear trees making all that racket); PLUS, for people who DO have a true love, what if the true love can’t afford all that stuff? (I mean think of how much all those golden rings cost) 18. “Silver Bells” - “even street lights blink a bright red and green as the shoppers rush home with their treasures” encourages reckless driving 19. “You’re a Mean One Mr. Grinch” - constant bullying and put-downs 20. “Deck The Halls” - makes me feel unprepared for Christmas because I don’t have any gay apparel. 21. “God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen” - sexist, what about ladies? Ahhh… the slippery slope of being offended by Christmas music. 🎄 😖 🙄 Uggh , I’ve seen this meme about a 1000 times on FB. Personally I am offended by any song that wishes me “happy holidays” instead of a Merry Christmas. Indeed, such constitutes a literal war on my belief system and therefore, by definition, those who wish me “happy holidays” are my enemy. |
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Post by jimmyjiggles on Dec 13, 2018 13:10:02 GMT -5
I’m just going to leave this here: “Maybe it was just my childhood fantasy.” Eeewwww and gross. Thanks for that Mercury! |
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Post by jagvet on Dec 14, 2018 10:14:13 GMT -5
As a non-Christian, I love many Christmas songs, many of which in the 20th Century were written by my tribe members Mel Torme, Irving Berlin, Ralph Blane, Sammy Cahn, Neal Diamond and, of course, Adam Sandler! Mariah Carey's "All I Want" is a great tribute to the Phil Spector (sadly, he's Jewish, too) Christmas songs by the great girl groups of the 60's. I heard Mariah on Thanksgiving Day on the PA at Kohl's. None of them are offensive. Even as a kid (I mean 10 years old), I thought "Baby, It's Cold Outside" was a great tune, but the lyrics were creepy Rat-Pack-type "dames" and "broads" song. Here's a weird version by Tony Bennet and a miniskirted Lady Gaga: www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiX3P7bzZ_fAhWjUt8KHZpRDsIQ3ywwAHoECAMQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DgK2x_bnzwZU&usg=AOvVaw0OazJaNOsAOTboIHoy5seD |
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Post by Pixie on Dec 14, 2018 10:29:40 GMT -5
The two videos in the link above show Lady Gaga without all of that makeup, as does A Star Is Born. She is pretty. Neither my husband nor I knew what she actually looked like until we saw the movie. Pixie
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Post by acttwo on Dec 14, 2018 10:39:11 GMT -5
The two videos in the link above show Lady Gaga without all of that makeup, as does A Star Is Born. She is pretty. Neither my husband nor I knew what she actually looked like until we saw the movie. Pixie You ever notice how it's the young and pretty who seem driven to heavy make up? When I look at old pix of me, I realize I was so much prettier then. |
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Post by jagvet on Dec 14, 2018 10:49:24 GMT -5
True story. I have a photo from my 1979 wedding on my desk. A few months ago, a young coworker came in and said (without a trace of sarcasm), "Hey. Look at that photo! Is that you? You used to be handsome."
Maybe it's time for old Jagvet to get some makeup tips from Tony Bennett!
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Post by christina on Dec 14, 2018 11:07:36 GMT -5
True story. I have a photo from my 1979 wedding on my desk. A few months ago, a young coworker came in and said (without a trace of sarcasm), "Hey. Look at that photo! Is that you? You used to be handsome." Maybe it's time for old Jagvet to get some makeup tips from Tony Bennett! i did that when i was a young pup to an aging senior partner in his 80's. said it better than your coworker though, and it made his day!!!! and he really was quite the looker in his 20's based on that pic! |
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Post by fowlfinder on Dec 15, 2018 0:16:49 GMT -5
There is offensive Christmas music because we are seeing something with a different historical lense, there is offensive because it's just bad, and then there is offensive because it was designed to be offensive.
I won't link it here but you are free to YouTube "Christmas with the Vandals." The album has some catchy riffs but it is guaranteed to have a track that will offend you, (maybe every track will).
The album was a source of yearly conflict at my home growing up. Getting older and having your own teenagers certainly gives one a new perspective about what we put our own parents through.
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Post by kylearan on Dec 15, 2018 16:42:38 GMT -5
AHHHP! I’m triggered! I just found a new one to add to the list!
“Ding Dong, Merrily on High” makes me think we’re celebrating Christmas wrong at my church because in all the years I’ve gone there, neither the Priest nor the people have ever sung “Io! Io! Io!”
Plus, it might create some trademark issues with the Hostess company.
(You know, come to think of it, I’ve never heard Father Larry or anyone at my church ever even SAY “Io! Io! Io!,” much less sing it.)
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Post by SPN Lifer on Dec 15, 2018 17:58:10 GMT -5
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Post by lurkerbelow on Dec 15, 2018 18:15:09 GMT -5
I saw some earlier mention of Lady Gaga. This isn't really a Christmas comment, but her work with Tony Bennett is, to my ears at least, authentic and shows an unusually good vocal ability that was really caged in her pop work. It's worth a search on youtube if you're into jazz. She's done a fair bit of songs with him, and it's pretty clear that they both really enjoy the process.
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Post by kylearan on Dec 15, 2018 18:52:36 GMT -5
No, not “lo” as in “lo and behold” but “capital-i”-o. Spelled like the moon of Saturn but pronounced “E-O”. It’s a Latin exclamation of holy joy, sort of equivalent to “Hallelujah”. It only appears, that I know of, in two Christmas songs: the Latin lyrics of Hark the Herald Angels Sing (“Cantet nunc ‘Io’ chorus angelorum...”) and Ding Dong Merrily on High (“E’en so, here below, below, let steeple bells be swungen, and ‘Io! Io! Io!’ by Priest and people sungen.”) |
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Post by Pixie on Dec 16, 2018 8:35:14 GMT -5
I saw some earlier mention of Lady Gaga. This isn't really a Christmas comment, but her work with Tony Bennett is, to my ears at least, authentic and shows an unusually good vocal ability that was really caged in her pop work. It's worth a search on youtube if you're into jazz. She's done a fair bit of songs with him, and it's pretty clear that they both really enjoy the process. After A Star Is Born, I am a Lady Gaga fan. She was excellent. Also a Bradley Cooper fan after An American Sniper. He is excellent in whatever he does. |
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Post by arkstfan on Dec 19, 2018 20:12:38 GMT -5
Baby It’s Cold is rapey sounding to us because we don’t bring the context of the time. The female wants to stay but concern about how others will scorn her for doing what she wants to holds her back. The “what’s in this drink?” line is a common expression from books and movies of the era expressing it was mixed strong or I’ve already got a buzz.
Santa Baby is like accidentally hitting a filling with a fork to me.
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