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Post by kylearan on Dec 7, 2018 8:38:33 GMT -5
I suppose you’ve all seen by now the controversy about the Christmas song “Baby, It’s Cold Outside,” and some radio stations refusing to play it because they think it’s rapey. Personally I never cared for the song but every time it’s on I listen just to irritate the wackos. So, I got to thinking, should we really be creating a grievance industry out of Christmas songs, analyzing the lyrics for something to be offended by? I saw online a list of questionable Yuletide ditties, and added some objections of my own:
1. “I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus” - perceived infidelity; subjecting minors to soft-core porn
2. “The Christmas Song” - Open fire? Pollution. Folks dressed up like Eskimos? Cultural appropriation. PLUS it only wishes Merry Christmas to kids from 1 to 92. Flagrant age discrimination against people 93 and up!
3. “Holly Jolly Christmas” - Kiss her once for me. Unwanted advances?
4. “White Christmas” - Racist?
5. “Santa Claus is Coming to Town” - Sees you when you’re sleeping? Knows when you’re awake? Peeping Tom stalker
6. “Most Wonderful Time of the Year” - Everyone telling you be of good cheer? Forced to hide depression
7. “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” - Bullying
8. “It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas” - Forced gender-specific gifts: dolls for Janice and Jen and boots and pistols (GUNS!) for Barney and Ben
9. “Santa Baby” - Gold digger, blackmail
10. “Frosty the Snowman” - Sexist; not a snow woman
11. “Do You Hear What I Hear” - Blatant disregard for the hearing impaired
12. “Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas” - Make the yuletide GAY? Wow, just wow!
13. “Jingle Bell Rock” - Giddy up jingle horse, pick up your feet: animal abuse
14. “Mistletoe and Holly” - Overeating, folks stealing a kiss or two? How did this song ever see the light of day?
15. “Winter Wonderland” - Parson Brown demanding they get married…forced partnership
16. "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer" - elder abuse and gratuitous violence
17. “The Twelve Days Of Christmas” - insensitivity to single people who don’t have a true love (but at least they don’t have to worry about all those partridges in pear trees making all that racket); PLUS, for people who DO have a true love, what if the true love can’t afford all that stuff? (I mean think of how much all those golden rings cost)
18. “Silver Bells” - “even street lights blink a bright red and green as the shoppers rush home with their treasures” encourages reckless driving
19. “You’re a Mean One Mr. Grinch” - constant bullying and put-downs
20. “Deck The Halls” - makes me feel unprepared for Christmas because I don’t have any gay apparel.
21. “God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen” - sexist, what about ladies?
Ahhh… the slippery slope of being offended by Christmas music. 🎄 😖 🙄
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Post by generalsherman on Dec 7, 2018 9:53:10 GMT -5
I would argue Baby It’s Cold Outside is not Christmas music, but winter music.
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Post by Peabody on Dec 7, 2018 10:20:51 GMT -5
I would argue Baby It’s Cold Outside is not Christmas music, but winter music. I agree. It is one of the songs that makes the holiday rotations on stations playing holiday music but there is no mention of Christmas or Hanukkah or anything else from this time of year. In our family, we have called it the, "Dirty Old Man Song" for years, and Key and Peele did a funny rendition of it on their show. |
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Post by christina on Dec 7, 2018 11:59:17 GMT -5
I would argue Baby It’s Cold Outside is not Christmas music, but winter music. I agree. It is one of the songs that makes the holiday rotations on stations playing holiday music but there is no mention of Christmas or Hanukkah or anything else from this time of year. In our family, we have called it the, "Dirty Old Man Song" for years, and Key and Peele did a funny rendition of it on their show. Or dirty young man based on jimmy kimmel Skit or Michael buble’s remake of song |
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Post by christina on Dec 7, 2018 14:55:48 GMT -5
and kylearan, check out buckaroo holiday season by Brad paisley, i think that is name of song, you should definitely like it! |
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Post by gary on Dec 7, 2018 15:04:25 GMT -5
I suppose you’ve all seen by now the controversy about the Christmas song “Baby, It’s Cold Outside,” and some radio stations refusing to play it because they think it’s rapey. Personally I never cared for the song but every time it’s on I listen just to irritate the wackos. So, I got to thinking, should we really be creating a grievance industry out of Christmas songs, analyzing the lyrics for something to be offended by? I saw online a list of questionable Yuletide ditties, and added some objections of my own: 1. “I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus” - perceived infidelity; subjecting minors to soft-core porn 2. “The Christmas Song” - Open fire? Pollution. Folks dressed up like Eskimos? Cultural appropriation. PLUS it only wishes Merry Christmas to kids from 1 to 92. Flagrant age discrimination against people 93 and up! 3. “Holly Jolly Christmas” - Kiss her once for me. Unwanted advances? 4. “White Christmas” - Racist? 5. “Santa Claus is Coming to Town” - Sees you when you’re sleeping? Knows when you’re awake? Peeping Tom stalker 6. “Most Wonderful Time of the Year” - Everyone telling you be of good cheer? Forced to hide depression 7. “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” - Bullying 8. “It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas” - Forced gender-specific gifts: dolls for Janice and Jen and boots and pistols (GUNS!) for Barney and Ben 9. “Santa Baby” - Gold digger, blackmail 10. “Frosty the Snowman” - Sexist; not a snow woman 11. “Do You Hear What I Hear” - Blatant disregard for the hearing impaired 12. “Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas” - Make the yuletide GAY? Wow, just wow! 13. “Jingle Bell Rock” - Giddy up jingle horse, pick up your feet: animal abuse 14. “Mistletoe and Holly” - Overeating, folks stealing a kiss or two? How did this song ever see the light of day? 15. “Winter Wonderland” - Parson Brown demanding they get married…forced partnership 16. "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer" - elder abuse and gratuitous violence 17. “The Twelve Days Of Christmas” - insensitivity to single people who don’t have a true love (but at least they don’t have to worry about all those partridges in pear trees making all that racket); PLUS, for people who DO have a true love, what if the true love can’t afford all that stuff? (I mean think of how much all those golden rings cost) 18. “Silver Bells” - “even street lights blink a bright red and green as the shoppers rush home with their treasures” encourages reckless driving 19. “You’re a Mean One Mr. Grinch” - constant bullying and put-downs 20. “Deck The Halls” - makes me feel unprepared for Christmas because I don’t have any gay apparel. 21. “God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen” - sexist, what about ladies? Ahhh… the slippery slope of being offended by Christmas music. 🎄 😖 🙄 |
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Post by foghorn on Dec 7, 2018 15:32:04 GMT -5
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Post by foghorn on Dec 7, 2018 15:37:19 GMT -5
Let us not forget the materialism --and manipulation, with the implied lack of ownership of sexual authority due to role imbalance of "Santa Baby"
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Post by nylawyer on Dec 7, 2018 16:24:17 GMT -5
Father Christmas by the Kinks is self evidently problematic.
It appears for the holidays this year I will be listening to Band Aid's "Do They Know It's Christmas" (the original ONLY) on a continuous loop this year so as to not offend anyone.
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Post by acttwo on Dec 7, 2018 16:42:16 GMT -5
Y'know, I always found BICO silly. Decent tune, but just would make me shake my head. I suspect b/c back in the Dark Ages when men would make passes at me, this sort of routine was, well, routine. I just learned early to know my own mind ijand to stick to my guns. And to avoid the situation if at all possible.
So, now I wonder, are the young'uns so used to being protected from ANY bad stuff that they never develop the ability to recognize danger early or the skills to counter such a situation on their own? If so, safe rooms, trigger warnings, etc. are ultimately hurting rather than helping. We dinosaurs won't be here to protect them forever and it's a disservice not to give them the skills to deal with people in real life. A stupid song, but if they can't deal with that, how will they deal with real life?
And, before you ask, I have been the target of an attempted sexual assault 2,3 times, in each I fought back and escaped with minimal physical harm, but I know the psychological effects. Trust me, that song is nothing.
Now, I DO agree that Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer is totally ageist! "Blue and silver candles like hairs in Grandma's wig"? How rude! Lol!
Smile!
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Post by mercury on Dec 7, 2018 18:49:16 GMT -5
I’m just going to leave this here:
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Post by lurkerbelow on Dec 7, 2018 18:50:56 GMT -5
I think that this particular mistake takes the cake for being the most offensive Christmas music ever created.
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Post by mercury on Dec 7, 2018 19:00:26 GMT -5
I think that this particular mistake takes the cake for being the most offensive Christmas music ever created. Interestingly, the Hallelujah Chorus does not celebrate the coming or birth of Christ, but rather the resurrection, although in modern times it has become associated with Christmas. |
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Post by christina on Dec 7, 2018 19:13:04 GMT -5
I think that this particular mistake takes the cake for being the most offensive Christmas music ever created. Lol! Hallelujah chorus with some phantom of the opera thrown in 😀 |
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Post by gary on Dec 7, 2018 19:18:03 GMT -5
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Post by generalsherman on Dec 7, 2018 19:38:55 GMT -5
Speaking of offensive holiday music, I was antiquing (okay I was at the consignment store) and I found a homemade CD called so-and-so’s Naughty and Nice Christmas Mix 2003, which alternated between “naughty” songs and “nice” songs. It was bad and I made it through a few songs, and the only one I can remember was called “Santa Will Kick Your A**.” Good times.
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Post by Peabody on Dec 7, 2018 19:58:04 GMT -5
Oh my! What an odd thought! generalsherman, was the song perhaps sung in a rather redneck way? I am from the south, so I can see that actually being stated by some folks I see out and about as a sort of caution against bad behavior during the holidays.
I wanted to thank Kylearan for the very thorough start to this thread, by the way - even going down this path caused my to laugh.
As for the horrendous organ failure (ha!) cited earlier, I actually worried the organist was hurt or had a CVA there (and I say that not to make fun, but my grandmother had one and her falling out has remained quite the memory from childhood. Had she been playing organ, I imagine that is what sound would have been emitted).
Acttwo - I definitely wanted to say that we have used BICO as a talking point with our daughters. We seriously have, and now they know not to accept a drink that they can't see comes from a sealed source, nor will they leave one down anywhere. All of us adults need to band together against the dirty old man/men described in that song!!! :-) I am desensitized to any offense it is supposed to cause some people, but again, it is absolutely and unequivocally "the Dirty Old Man" song of the winter.
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Post by kylearan on Dec 7, 2018 20:25:42 GMT -5
Have you ever heard the Cryptkeeper (from Tales from the Crypt) Christmas album? With his own version of Christmas songs like “Deck the Halls With Parts of Charlie,” “We Wish You’d Bury The Mrs.,” etc.? 🎶 on the first day of Cryptmas, my true love gave to me, a trip to the mortuar-ee” 🎶. Hahah m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhh0HjLXmvJ3RcB_vAq90BQMrRRQ89KV5 |
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Post by lurkerbelow on Dec 7, 2018 20:48:16 GMT -5
As for the horrendous organ failure (ha!) cited earlier, I actually worried the organist was hurt or had a CVA there (and I say that not to make fun, but my grandmother had one and her falling out has remained quite the memory from childhood. Had she been playing organ, I imagine that is what sound would have been emitted). My understanding is that that particular organist was playing an instrument that was electronic, and one of its bells and whistles was to switch from a=440hz to a=415hz for playing with baroque ensembles. The button to do that was apparently pressed accidentally. How I don't know, but it's an organ and it has a lot of buttons, so... The difference in tuning is dramatic. If you listen carefully, the organ is actually playing chords, they're just so horribly out of sync that it sounds like a Charles Ives' concert. If you are incredibly bored and want to know more (or are a classical music buff. Skip to 1:42 for the actual music demonstrating it:) |
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Post by redsox1 on Dec 8, 2018 6:22:35 GMT -5
It’s funny how different generations are offended by different things. I am of the generation not offended by the song. I watch some 80’s movies and laugh and cringe a little. I was recently schooled by my 11 yo daughter. Our local high school had an Indian mascot. After much debate, the name stayed but all Native American images were banned. I was watching the Redskin game and my daughter thought it was a mistake because she couldn’t believe that after our local issue that a pro team would have that name. For good or bad, a lot of things we see and hear will likely change in the next 25 years.
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