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Post by neufenland on Oct 7, 2024 16:43:04 GMT -5
It does matter if they enforce the standard 2 hours commuting time requirement though. Realistically the agency could be moving rapidly towards 100% remote hearings, or drastically cut back on telework across the board up to and including eliminating it entirely for all positions, depending entirely on the election outcome. I don't know how that's helpful for any of us trying to make a decision, but it's the accurate state of the land. We’ll know soon enough, thankfully. You can always remove locations, as Gaidin noted. |
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Post by ewartdunlop on Oct 7, 2024 16:54:39 GMT -5
It does matter if they enforce the standard 2 hours commuting time requirement though. Realistically the agency could be moving rapidly towards 100% remote hearings, or drastically cut back on telework across the board up to and including eliminating it entirely for all positions, depending entirely on the election outcome. I don't know how that's helpful for any of us trying to make a decision, but it's the accurate state of the land. We’ll know soon enough, thankfully. You can always remove locations, as Gaidin noted. What do you mean remove locations? Just that you can decline an offer from a specific OHO? |
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Post by johnthornton on Oct 7, 2024 17:22:07 GMT -5
It does matter if they enforce the standard 2 hours commuting time requirement though. Realistically the agency could be moving rapidly towards 100% remote hearings, or drastically cut back on telework across the board up to and including eliminating it entirely for all positions, depending entirely on the election outcome. I don't know how that's helpful for any of us trying to make a decision, but it's the accurate state of the land. The judges still have a maximum telework contract until at least 2029. |
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Post by tsatty on Oct 7, 2024 17:32:57 GMT -5
We’ll know soon enough, thankfully. You can always remove locations, as Gaidin noted. What do you mean remove locations? Just that you can decline an offer from a specific OHO? At some point in the future, if they ask you to interview, they’ll ask again if you still want to go to all the places you listed initially. |
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Post by tsatty on Oct 7, 2024 17:35:48 GMT -5
What do you mean remove locations? Just that you can decline an offer from a specific OHO? At some point in the future, if they ask you to interview, they’ll ask again if you still want to go to all the places you listed initially. Also, the question suggests you’ll get an offer from “a specific OHO.” Particular offices do not do their own hiring. |
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Post by ewartdunlop on Oct 7, 2024 17:38:12 GMT -5
At some point in the future, if they ask you to interview, they’ll ask again if you still want to go to all the places you listed initially. Also, the question suggests you’ll get an offer from “a particular OHO.” Particular offices do not do their own hiring. Really? So when you interview you don’t know where you’ll be assigned? That seems crazy to me. What about when the offer is made? Do they only offer one office? If you decline the offer, might you still get another offer, or is that the same as declining the job in general? |
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Post by monopoly on Oct 7, 2024 17:58:27 GMT -5
Good luck to all who are choosing to apply this time around! It’s a rollercoaster of an application and hiring process so don’t forget to enjoy the ride.
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Post by tsatty on Oct 7, 2024 18:27:59 GMT -5
Also, the question suggests you’ll get an offer from “a particular OHO.” Particular offices do not do their own hiring. Really? So when you interview you don’t know where you’ll be assigned? That seems crazy to me. What about when the offer is made? Do they only offer one office? If you decline the offer, might you still get another offer, or is that the same as declining the job in general? Basically they’ll tell you you’re under consideration for X,Y,Z. If you’re willing to go to a lot of places, and you got a good score, it could be a very long list. You’ll be asked to rank preferences, but no guarantee you get your first or second choice. I heard of people being considered for 50 different locations. You’ll get a call offering you a job wherever. Someone else may correct me, but I think the ability to reject an offer and ask for a different location is very limited. I recall it can be done, but it’s limited (I am not sure how everything is done after Lucia). |
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Post by aljwishful on Oct 7, 2024 18:41:50 GMT -5
I noted that the interview will be in person instead of virtually. Is this different from the last go around?
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Post by ewartdunlop on Oct 7, 2024 18:42:36 GMT -5
Really? So when you interview you don’t know where you’ll be assigned? That seems crazy to me. What about when the offer is made? Do they only offer one office? If you decline the offer, might you still get another offer, or is that the same as declining the job in general? Basically they’ll tell you you’re under consideration for X,Y,Z. If you’re willing to go to a lot of places, and you got a good score, it could be a very long list. You’ll be asked to rank preferences, but no guarantee you get your first or second choice. I heard of people being considered for 50 different locations. You’ll get a call offering you a job wherever. Someone else may correct me, but I think the ability to reject an offer and ask for a different location is very limited. I recall it can be done, but it’s limited (I am not sure how everything is done after Lucia). Thank you for this response. It does seem important. I don’t want to list places then that I only have a 5% chance of actually saying “yes” to then and should limit the potential offices at least a bit more. I don’t want to be stuck saying no to the job just because of the location. |
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Post by tripper on Oct 7, 2024 19:28:31 GMT -5
Basically they’ll tell you you’re under consideration for X,Y,Z. If you’re willing to go to a lot of places, and you got a good score, it could be a very long list. You’ll be asked to rank preferences, but no guarantee you get your first or second choice. I heard of people being considered for 50 different locations. You’ll get a call offering you a job wherever. Someone else may correct me, but I think the ability to reject an offer and ask for a different location is very limited. I recall it can be done, but it’s limited (I am not sure how everything is done after Lucia). Thank you for this response. It does seem important. I don’t want to list places then that I only have a 5% chance of actually saying “yes” to then and should limit the potential offices at least a bit more. I don’t want to be stuck saying no to the job just because of the location. Don’t list any location that you might say no to. |
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Post by rmspringfield on Oct 7, 2024 19:48:40 GMT -5
Really? So when you interview you don’t know where you’ll be assigned? That seems crazy to me. What about when the offer is made? Do they only offer one office? If you decline the offer, might you still get another offer, or is that the same as declining the job in general? Basically they’ll tell you you’re under consideration for X,Y,Z. If you’re willing to go to a lot of places, and you got a good score, it could be a very long list. You’ll be asked to rank preferences, but no guarantee you get your first or second choice. I heard of people being considered for 50 different locations. You’ll get a call offering you a job wherever. Someone else may correct me, but I think the ability to reject an offer and ask for a different location is very limited. I recall it can be done, but it’s limited (I am not sure how everything is done after Lucia). This. When you see the acronym GAL we mean our geographic availability. Ie which cities we will go to. That becomes a factor because the announcement may indicate hiring for multiple locations. But not all locations will have a new candidate hired for that location. That is all a mystery how that gets sorted. So even though your application may have been spot on but you only put down Boise as your only location, your application may be overlooked and you would not get an interview if the agency doesn’t need any new judges in Boise this go around. But say you listed several cities, Boise Cleveland Columbus Des Moines etc and you were rated as highly qualified and Cleveland needs a new ALJ you would be considered for an interview. But you only know you’re getting an interview at that stage. Not for which city. Welcome to GAL roulette. |
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Post by neufenland on Oct 7, 2024 19:49:19 GMT -5
Really? So when you interview you don’t know where you’ll be assigned? That seems crazy to me. What about when the offer is made? Do they only offer one office? If you decline the offer, might you still get another offer, or is that the same as declining the job in general? Basically they’ll tell you you’re under consideration for X,Y,Z. If you’re willing to go to a lot of places, and you got a good score, it could be a very long list. You’ll be asked to rank preferences, but no guarantee you get your first or second choice. I heard of people being considered for 50 different locations. You’ll get a call offering you a job wherever. Someone else may correct me, but I think the ability to reject an offer and ask for a different location is very limited. I recall it can be done, but it’s limited (I am not sure how everything is done after Lucia). I didn’t get an offer, but did interview in 2022, and they did not tell you possible locations prior to or during the interview. From what I gather, people got locations (from their GAL list, of course) on date of offer only. No “scores” after 2018, so no Register and no Certificates to make for individual locations. The application allows you to pick a number one choice, but all other GAL options are unranked. |
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Post by neufenland on Oct 7, 2024 19:56:26 GMT -5
Also, the question suggests you’ll get an offer from “a particular OHO.” Particular offices do not do their own hiring. Really? So when you interview you don’t know where you’ll be assigned? That seems crazy to me. What about when the offer is made? Do they only offer one office? If you decline the offer, might you still get another offer, or is that the same as declining the job in general? 1) No. 2) I think so, but I never got an offer. My understanding is it’s for one specific locale. 3) Theoretically, you could; you’d only be removed for consideration from the location you declined. Not a great move, though. Best only pick places you’d be willing to go. |
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Post by rmspringfield on Oct 7, 2024 19:57:43 GMT -5
Basically they’ll tell you you’re under consideration for X,Y,Z. If you’re willing to go to a lot of places, and you got a good score, it could be a very long list. You’ll be asked to rank preferences, but no guarantee you get your first or second choice. I heard of people being considered for 50 different locations. You’ll get a call offering you a job wherever. Someone else may correct me, but I think the ability to reject an offer and ask for a different location is very limited. I recall it can be done, but it’s limited (I am not sure how everything is done after Lucia). I didn’t get an offer, but did interview in 2022, and they did not tell you possible locations prior to or during the interview. From what I gather, people got locations (from their GAL list, of course) on date of offer only. No “scores” after 2018, so no Register and no Certificates to make for individual locations. The application allows you to pick a number one choice, but all other GAL options are unranked. Correct. “The call” comes from SSA with an area code out of state. They introduce themselves. Say congratulations you’ve been accepted as an ALJ in *insert city name*. And they ask you if you accept. That’s when you find out where you are going. |
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Post by ewartdunlop on Oct 7, 2024 20:01:34 GMT -5
I didn’t get an offer, but did interview in 2022, and they did not tell you possible locations prior to or during the interview. From what I gather, people got locations (from their GAL list, of course) on date of offer only. No “scores” after 2018, so no Register and no Certificates to make for individual locations. The application allows you to pick a number one choice, but all other GAL options are unranked. Correct. “The call” comes from SSA with an area code out of state. They introduce themselves. Say congratulations you’ve been accepted as an ALJ in *insert city name*. And they ask you if you accept. That’s when you find out where you are going. Safe to say that I shouldn’t hold out for my favorite city and should accept an acceptable city. |
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Post by prescient on Oct 7, 2024 20:20:05 GMT -5
I noted that the interview will be in person instead of virtually. Is this different from the last go around? Yes. Interviews last time were virtual |
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Post by Pixie on Oct 7, 2024 20:31:18 GMT -5
Correct. “The call” comes from SSA with an area code out of state. They introduce themselves. Say congratulations you’ve been accepted as an ALJ in *insert city name*. And they ask you if you accept. That’s when you find out where you are going. Safe to say that I shouldn’t hold out for my favorite city and should accept an acceptable city. That's right. Pixie |
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Post by jagvet on Oct 7, 2024 21:52:01 GMT -5
What does someone who never litigated do to find three opposing attorneys? File three lawsuits. |
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Post by jimmyjiggles on Oct 7, 2024 21:56:43 GMT -5
What does someone who never litigated do to find three opposing attorneys? File three lawsuits. I logged in just to hit like on this post. |
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