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Post by tallgreenfrog on Nov 17, 2009 15:04:52 GMT -5
From the union:
"In 2010, the Agency plans to hire 226 ALJs (166 above attrition). 43 were hired for the October 2009 class. A small class is planned for January 2010 (from the current register), with the remaining ALJs to be hired in April and August from a new list to be prepared by OPM."
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Post by tricia on Nov 17, 2009 15:51:36 GMT -5
Wow, good luck in January to all who are on the current register. Tricia
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Post by deminimis on Nov 17, 2009 17:12:20 GMT -5
From the union: ". . . with the remaining ALJs to be hired in April and August from a new list to be prepared by OPM. . . ." Do I correctly interpret this to mean that the "new list" will be made from the applicants of November 9-10? If so, an April hiring means fast-tracking at least some of the applicants, doesn't it? Or am I misinterpreting? Or is the statement from the union inaccurate?
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Post by okeydokey on Nov 17, 2009 17:37:52 GMT -5
I call BS.
Based on past performance, there is no way that OPM can get a new list out by April. And it is unlikely that they will be able to get one out by August.
I do predict that OPM will keep this list indefinitely. Starting over would just be too tough, and with new exams every year, there is no need to do so.
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Post by tallgreenfrog on Nov 17, 2009 17:38:55 GMT -5
I think it means that they are going to hire a small group of people in January from the current register, and that they hope OPM does their job quickly enough so that they can hire a large class as early as April from the next register.
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Post by tallgreenfrog on Nov 17, 2009 17:42:40 GMT -5
It is a fantastic job, so good luck!
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Post by ALJD on Nov 17, 2009 19:52:41 GMT -5
This information is what Agency management has conveyed to AALJ, which then put it in its latest newsletter to the members. Since neither SSA or AALJ has direct control over OPM, nothing is set in stone until OPM gets done. So while this information represents what the Agency is projecting right now, it is subject to the wild card that is OPM.
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Post by 8will22 on Dec 8, 2009 13:56:41 GMT -5
If there are ALJ's being hired in January 2010, when will they be notified? Is anyone who has received an NOR eligible for being hired in January 2010? I received an NOR (10pt. veteran) in November 2009, am I eligible? When should my wife and I stop biting our teeth?
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Post by hooligan on Dec 8, 2009 21:20:48 GMT -5
If there are ALJ's being hired in January 2010, when will they be notified? Is anyone who has received an NOR eligible for being hired in January 2010? I received an NOR (10pt. veteran) in November 2009, am I eligible? When should my wife and I stop biting our teeth? I am not sure what "NOR" is. I assume it is the notice that you have been placed on the registry with a score. Assuming you now have a score, you should be eligible to go on the next certificate. That would suggest you would be eligible for the next hiring round. However, I do not think it is that simple. A certificate has a period of viability. I think it is 90 days, but I am not sure. If the next hire is announced within 90 days of the issuance of the previous cert, SSA may use the option of not getting a new cert. I do not like conspiratory theories, but SSA may want to continue to use the prior cert so they can play games with the rule of three and ignor some high scoring candidates so they can justify digging deeper into the list to grab some low scorers they want. Do not stop biting your teeth until you get the call saying you have been selected. Even being on the cert is no guarantee, even for 10 point vets.
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Post by statman on Dec 8, 2009 21:31:28 GMT -5
I was told by somebody who should know at the recent training that there was a proposal for a small January hiring but that it was vetoed at the Commissioner's level.
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Post by zero on Dec 10, 2009 13:50:39 GMT -5
I was told by somebody who should know at the recent training that there was a proposal for a small January hiring but that it was vetoed at the Commissioner's level. This has a ring of truth to it. I wonder why the comimish would veto the hire? 200+ isn't really a "small" hire any more than one can call me small when I exceed 200 lbs.
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Post by blueeyes on Dec 10, 2009 14:11:31 GMT -5
I am confused about this too because the Chief Judge's Office just posted an internal solicitation for a 120 day detailee beginning Jan. 3rd for the following: These positions are located in the Division of Administrative Support, Headquarters Support Branch, Office of the Chief Administrative Law Judge (OCALJ).
The incumbent serves as a point of contact for executive staff members on sensitive and urgent matters within the Chief Judge’s purview concerning new ALJ hires and ALJ Reassignments.
Maybe this is just wishful thinking.
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Post by saintsfan on Dec 10, 2009 21:48:54 GMT -5
I am confused also; does the fact that someone is passed over 3 times by SSA (but not 3 striked) and they received notification their name went back to OPM for consideration later if it was sent by OPM to SSA, give them a chance for a Jan. 2010 hiring (if it takes place)? I am also curious about when would notification go out for a Jan 2010 hiring...
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Post by barkley on Dec 11, 2009 3:43:09 GMT -5
I am confused also; does the fact that someone is passed over 3 times by SSA (but not 3 striked) and they received notification their name went back to OPM for consideration later if it was sent by OPM to SSA, give them a chance for a Jan. 2010 hiring (if it takes place)? I am also curious about when would notification go out for a Jan 2010 hiring... If you have not been three-striked, it is possible that you could be considered three times in one cycle of hiring and be picked up in future hirings. I am no expert on the puzzle palace, but if they were planning on a January hire, you'd think the notices would have already gone out. Chances are, when they ask for a cert, there would be at least a few names new to the list that would need to be interviewed. It's now the second week of December and unlikely there would be any movement over the holidays. You gotta figure that OPM will likely be setting up the interviews and testing in Jan/Feb. (and is anyone else surprised we have not heard anything on that yet?) I bet SSA waits for the new list.
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Post by carjack on Dec 11, 2009 11:07:00 GMT -5
PF:
Ask OPM even if you get notice via email directly from SSA that you're on the cert for certain cities - or is this just if you don't hear from SSA when you know others have?
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Post by saintsfan on Dec 11, 2009 16:41:20 GMT -5
On inquiry, I was notified by OPM that I had previously indicated all locations...
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Post by nonamouse on Dec 12, 2009 1:39:03 GMT -5
IMO, there is no sign of any January 2010 hire. People would have been working on it already and believe me, presently there is no urgency like the Congressional interest that spurred action through the holidays of 2007 and SSA interviews in Jan. 2008. The latest group that finished training in Nov. 2009 filled the available ALJ offices nationwide even in the "less popular" spots. The certificate from which they were hired has expired and no new one has been requested from which to select anyone in January. It takes some planning to get active ALJs to Falls Church to do agency interviews and selections which means January and probably February are out for significant activity.
The initial solicitation for current ALJs who want to transfer into the new offices that will be opening in fiscal year 2010 went out a month or so ago. Until the first group of new offices are built out and those ALJs get notice of who was selected, no one knows for sure where there will be openings in existing offices. The transfer list for the old offices will have to be worked next pursuant to the ALJ contract. Only after all of that happens will ODAR know where they will have space for ALJs. They will also have received notice from retiring ALJs so that openings due to attrition can be listed. By the time all of the necessary movement happens at ODAR, OPM could be finished with test, interview and Notice of Results (NOR) for the last group of applicants, but there is no sign of any urgency on their part as compared to 2007-2008.
Everyone can relax for now and try to enjoy their holidays.
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Post by saintsfan on Dec 21, 2009 18:49:54 GMT -5
Any further info on another hiring before the "newbies" are processed in 6-8 months?
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Post by ALJD on Dec 22, 2009 2:56:26 GMT -5
Any further info on another hiring before the "newbies" are processed in 6-8 months? This is the latest hearsay that came my way last week: "There is likely to be a cert in January to hire 50 ALJs in April, 2010. This cert will be from the existing register. Following the issuance of the January cert ODAR will commence the hiring process for those on the cert, interviews, reference checks etc. Additional certs will be requested after OPM completes updating the register. Those hires will likely take place in August, give or take a month and depending somewhat on OPM and when they get the register updated." Of course, like everything else that goes on in the Puzzle Palace, we won't know this is a go until they start calling for interviews. Hope this helps. Good luck to all of you and happy holidays.
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Post by runningman on Dec 22, 2009 10:36:34 GMT -5
PF-Nonamouse was correct in her post. ODAR anticipated trying to hire a small number of new ALJs with a January start date. A January hire, meaning ALJs would be hired in January, is clearly distinguishable from a January certificate, where it might take up to several more months to complete the hiring process. As indicated in ALJD's post above, with a January certificate, new ALJs are likely to be hired in April. It appears you did not understand nonamouse's original post. I submit that now you are the one posting inaccurate information.
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