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Post by JudgeRatty on Nov 6, 2013 15:32:39 GMT -5
In my office, 17 ALJs, most stay until retirement. Only a few have been in the office then transferred out, one of those went to a different agency, the other 2 moved for family/personal reasons. Otherwise, there are always people on the list wanting "in." As for attorneys, 2 group sups and 1 senior attorney became ALJs in recent years. None stayed here but all wanted to do so. ALJ demographics are a mix, at least 4 are vets with 1 of those female, 4 women / 13 men, 4 retiring soon and 2 others not far behind.
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Post by epic0ego on Nov 6, 2013 15:50:29 GMT -5
It is indeed a brave new world but I'm an old-schooler that still believes that the past informs the future. I don't think the ODAR interview process can change the OPM score from the register, but I still think ODAR experience could be weighted during the horse-trading phase. I think ODAR still wants some ODAR-experienced hires. And we all know that what ODAR wants, ODAR gets. It does seem like all ALJ roads led through crapland in the past, and this has likely changed. But the basic methodology of a wide open GAL still seems valid to me. When I read your post, I had flash-backs of taking the LBMT. Can I say that?
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Post by lurker/dibs on Nov 6, 2013 15:51:09 GMT -5
I am in the heart of crapland, as most of you know. My local ODAR is designated to have 13 judges. Currently we have 12. Of those, two are on the list to transfer out. Only 4 are the original judges that were there when I started practicing. Since 2009/2010, we have had at least 14 different judges come and go. Most are there less than 6 months. One of the two on the transfer list has declined the transfer at least 3 times. The other wants one of those "highly desirable" locations and has been at our office for about 6 months (and I'll be the first of many to throw a party when she leaves). My ODAR has a joke that we train them and then they leave. Of 10 that are with us that are not on the list to leave, two transferred in after they were insiders and hired and got transferred back home. And at least 3 of those 10 are not locals, they simply got placed in crapland and decided they wanted to stay. I think those 10 will stay until they retire. The original 4 are all well beyond retirement age, but aren't likely to go any time soon. Because we have had a revolving door at our office, I assumed that there would always be an opening. With only one opening now, it seems unlikely that I will get back home any time soon. However, there are 5 ALJs slated to retire in early 2014 in another commutable ODAR.
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Post by epic0ego on Nov 6, 2013 16:02:32 GMT -5
at least in this instance, the country folk are glad for the city folk, and vice-versa!
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Post by moopigsdad on Nov 6, 2013 16:21:08 GMT -5
We are obviously killing time here, and that lends itself to over-analysis. I can't imagine that my score will land me on the first or second cert, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . Just going to keep plugging away, keep my productivity in the top 5-10%, and oh yeah, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . Don't sell yourself short superbonbon. You don't even know your score yet and you are discounting your ability to make the first or second cert. I think anybody's chance is as good as anyone else's right now. Has anyone heard from aljfaq lately? He seems to have gone M.I.A., since testing. He was always good for a comment or two.
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Post by lildavey on Nov 6, 2013 16:29:03 GMT -5
In my office, 17 ALJs, most stay until retirement. Only a few have been in the office then transferred out, one of those went to a different agency, the other 2 moved for family/personal reasons. Otherwise, there are always people on the list wanting "in." As for attorneys, 2 group sups and 1 senior attorney became ALJs in recent years. None stayed here but all wanted to do so. ALJ demographics are a mix, at least 4 are vets with 1 of those female, 4 women / 13 men, 4 retiring soon and 2 others not far behind. Stratty, are you in a "desirable" location?
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Post by moopigsdad on Nov 6, 2013 16:35:44 GMT -5
In my office, 17 ALJs, most stay until retirement. Only a few have been in the office then transferred out, one of those went to a different agency, the other 2 moved for family/personal reasons. Otherwise, there are always people on the list wanting "in." As for attorneys, 2 group sups and 1 senior attorney became ALJs in recent years. None stayed here but all wanted to do so. ALJ demographics are a mix, at least 4 are vets with 1 of those female, 4 women / 13 men, 4 retiring soon and 2 others not far behind. Stratty, are you in a "desirable" location? I think desirability depends upon the person looking for a position. Someone might say Atlanta is desirable, but others might say it is not. Hence, how do you determine what is desirable? I for one do not want to be in Florida or California, but they are in my GAL as is New York. However, I realize in reality my likelihood of landing at any of those spots is remote (and I am happy about it). I will go anywhere, but I hope to go someplace close to where I am now. I would be happy to garner an ALJ position period no matter where, although I might enjoy some locations much better than others. I will leave my mind open to be persuaded that any location can be good for me.
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Post by JudgeRatty on Nov 6, 2013 16:40:55 GMT -5
In my office, 17 ALJs, most stay until retirement. Only a few have been in the office then transferred out, one of those went to a different agency, the other 2 moved for family/personal reasons. Otherwise, there are always people on the list wanting "in." As for attorneys, 2 group sups and 1 senior attorney became ALJs in recent years. None stayed here but all wanted to do so. ALJ demographics are a mix, at least 4 are vets with 1 of those female, 4 women / 13 men, 4 retiring soon and 2 others not far behind. Stratty, are you in a "desirable" location? I am not in one of the places that people have identified as "desirable" on this board, like the big cities on the east and west coasts, but I suppose since the transfer list always has names on it for people wanting in, and people do not leave until they retire, it would make it "desirable." I do live in a large city. Of course, I consider Middlesboro KY and Tupelo MS to be "desirable" places that I would like to live, so I guess it is perspective! But as for the definition of desirable goes on this board, I would guess that I am not in a place has a lot of turnaround like Shreveport and some places in Ohio. Some of those places I guess are less than desirable since so many people leave as soon as they can. I bet it has to do with the original preference in the first place and not that those places are "bad" places to live. They probably want to get back to family, friends, familiarity.
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Post by epic0ego on Nov 6, 2013 17:07:22 GMT -5
I have no doubt that the current and historical staffing picture for each office is the very kind of raw data that ODAR will take into account during the "horse-trading" selection phase.
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Post by tmgesq on Nov 6, 2013 17:30:26 GMT -5
The updated transfer list (Nov,2013) has been generated...
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Post by epic0ego on Nov 6, 2013 17:34:34 GMT -5
The updated transfer list (Nov,2013) has been generated... maybe we can get a little peek under the Puzzle Palace tent . . .
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Post by lildavey on Nov 6, 2013 17:55:10 GMT -5
The updated transfer list (Nov,2013) has been generated... What doth that portend?
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Post by epic0ego on Nov 6, 2013 17:57:48 GMT -5
The updated transfer list (Nov,2013) has been generated... What doth that portend? lidavey, methinks you and I watch too much Masterpiece Theater!
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Nov 6, 2013 18:14:30 GMT -5
Can someone with access please post the entire updated transfer list when he/she gets an opportunity? (...To avoid the piecemeal requests for certain cities' lists that happened in another thread.)
Also, a suggestion: post the list in a separate thread, with "Transfer list" in the title, to make it easier to find, rather than burying it in this thread.
Thanks to you insiders helping us newbies with information that will (hopefully) be useful to us this spring!
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Post by Ace Midnight on Nov 6, 2013 22:23:24 GMT -5
Also, a suggestion: post the list in a separate thread, with "Transfer list" in the title, to make it easier to find, rather than burying it in this thread. Thanks to you insiders helping us newbies with information that will (hopefully) be useful to us this spring! This is one of the best ideas I've heard in a long time.
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Post by redryder on Nov 7, 2013 9:37:14 GMT -5
Your suggestion sounds fine in theory; however that list contains the names of people who may not wish to have that information published. The transfer list is not a public document.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Nov 7, 2013 10:07:17 GMT -5
Your suggestion sounds fine in theory; however that list contains the names of people who may not wish to have that information published. The transfer list is not a public document. I agree that names absolutely should not be published in this or any other public forum. I am wondering about the propriety of having the numbers of people wanting to transfer from/to, with data from this, ostensibly, unpublished document. Perhaps someone can check with an AALJ rep to see what their position is on disseminating any data from the transfer list.
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Post by ALJD on Nov 7, 2013 10:25:32 GMT -5
Your suggestion sounds fine in theory; however that list contains the names of people who may not wish to have that information published. The transfer list is not a public document. Concur. Transfer list with ALJ names is verboten and will be deleted if it ever shows up. However, I have no problem if someone just wants to post cities with numbers of pending requests. I believe some posters have posted such info in the past.
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Nov 7, 2013 14:28:50 GMT -5
Of course, no names, just numbers and locations.
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Post by epic0ego on Nov 7, 2013 16:45:49 GMT -5
the numbers would be helpful for determining the satellite cities and more rural areas that don't have existing ALJs lined up to transfer in. some will have no one on the transfer list. so good luck on this for those hoping for smaller towns. but there probably won't be many surprises for the large metropolitan areas, east and west coast cities, and retirement meccas that we have discussed. some have said that if a big city has, say 5 openings, it only has to take 1 from the transfer list for that hiring period, and can take the other 4 from the cert. is that right?
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