|
Post by 71stretch on Dec 11, 2013 15:01:46 GMT -5
So do we think that all of the NOR's come out at the same time, or are notifications of scores sent out successively, from highest to lowest, or? They all come out at essentially the same time, without regard to the score.
|
|
|
Post by 17 on Dec 11, 2013 21:51:52 GMT -5
Tuesday, February 11th, 7:11 AM EST. Give or take a few minutes.
|
|
|
Post by southernmiss on Dec 13, 2013 16:45:56 GMT -5
A judge who just got back from training said Judge Bice said she hoped to do hiring in September.
|
|
|
Post by privateatty on Dec 13, 2013 16:50:08 GMT -5
A judge who just got back from training said Judge Bice said she hoped to do hiring in September. Not a coincidental date to those FY analysts...
|
|
|
Post by futuressaalj on Dec 14, 2013 14:53:16 GMT -5
A judge who just got back from training said Judge Bice said she hoped to do hiring in September. Not a coincidental date to those FY analysts... Another member of that class told me the same thing. Not the best time for those with families that include school age kids and who have homes to sell because the dates are detrimental to them. Even if NORs come out next week you still have to wait months to hear anything on a cert. The guessing and speculating and arguing are just gonna drive you nuts. Do the best job where you are now and stop stressing over when the NORs are coming out. They will come out when OPM is ready to release them not when you want OPM to release them.
|
|
|
Post by pubdef on Dec 14, 2013 20:04:14 GMT -5
Not a coincidental date to those FY analysts... They will come out when OPM is ready to release them not when you SSA want s OPM to release them. FTFY.
|
|
|
Post by futuressaalj on Dec 14, 2013 21:19:25 GMT -5
They will come out when OPM is ready to release them not when you SSA want s OPM to release them. FTFY. Ha Ha, if it helps you sleep better , SSA has directed OPM to release NORs at Midnight on 12/24/13 Merry Christmas!
|
|
|
Post by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 15, 2013 2:09:38 GMT -5
They will come out when OPM is ready to release them not when you SSA want s OPM to release them. FTFY.
|
|
|
Post by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 15, 2013 2:13:05 GMT -5
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 14:14:31 GMT -5
1
|
|
|
Post by anotherfed on Dec 15, 2013 19:58:56 GMT -5
Am I reading too much into reports, etc., when my take-away is that everyone who "completed the application process" will BE on the register? Is it just a matter of rank from here? I am referring to Dark Lord's link to the OPM report (thanks, DL).
|
|
|
Post by yarddog on Dec 15, 2013 21:25:46 GMT -5
Am I reading too much into reports, etc., when my take-away is that everyone who "completed the application process" will BE on the register? Is it just a matter of rank from here? I am referring to Dark Lord's link to the OPM report (thanks, DL). Haven't finished dark lords, But I count a cut on WD, cut on SI, cut on total score. I think these cuts will be to the very lowest scores. Them other stuff happens.
|
|
|
Post by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 15, 2013 22:37:51 GMT -5
Do you know if all the applicants were Veterans? 2 were 10 point vets....the rest were " had to be rescheduled."
|
|
|
Post by robespierre on Dec 18, 2013 9:35:34 GMT -5
Do you know if all the applicants were Veterans? 2 were 10 point vets....the rest were " had to be rescheduled." Do you have any idea if yours was the last group to be tested?
|
|
|
Post by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 18, 2013 11:30:17 GMT -5
2 were 10 point vets....the rest were " had to be rescheduled." Do you have any idea if yours was the last group to be tested? I have no idea. However, for what it is worth, I heard the 2 10-pointers say that the regulations governing 10-point preference mandates all testing and scoring for 10-point vets be completed within the quarter they are being tested. (The 10-point vets had applied during the initial phase with everyone else, did not make it, appealed to have the register opened again, and passed the second time around, or so they said.) Anyway they were of the opinion that their scores had to be completed by the end of December. I imagine that OPM would not release 10-pointer scores in that situation before everyone else who had already tested and interviewed in September/October. So maybe that means NOR will be released by the end of the month. It's all confusing..Like I said for what it is worth.
|
|
|
Post by ssaogc on Dec 18, 2013 21:45:48 GMT -5
There is a reason why those two ten pointers did not make it the first time around. They are testing to get on the register just like the other 10 point vets who tested in July August Sept and Oct time frame. If this so called mandate existed those ten point veterans who tested in the summer would already have their scores. They might need to do a little more thinking and realize that the rule they are trying to squeeze into, if it exists, applies to those vets who test when there is an established register. If they were taking the LBMT they were not testing for the old register but for the new register.
|
|
|
Post by workdrone on Dec 18, 2013 22:15:20 GMT -5
Anyway they were of the opinion that their scores had to be completed by the end of December. Silly neophytes. The Vet preference for competitive exam is governed by 5 CFR 332.311 "Quarterly Examinations." The applicable portion, Section (a) states: "A 10-point preference eligible is entitled to file an application at any time for an examination for any position for which OPM maintains a register, for which a register is about to be established, or for which a nontemporary appointment was made in the preceding three years. For the purposes of this paragraph OPM shall hold an examination not later than the quarterly period succeeding that in which the application is filed." (emphasis mine) Notice the verb is "hold", not score or complete. From past experiences, OPM has interpreted this section as a deadline on offering the exam to the 10-pt vet within the quarterly period after the application is filed, not when the completed exam needs to be scored. This was illustrated by the fact pattern ssaogc provided in her post above (i.e. 10 pt Vets who tested with the main group this Summer/Fall haven't gotten their NORs yet).
|
|
|
Post by gottabeme on Dec 18, 2013 22:17:15 GMT -5
Also, for what it is worth, I was told Oct 11th that I was the last person testing, except the 10 point vets would be coming in the next week. Last week a friend told me she knew someone that was testing due to rescheduling. Bottom line...I guess there I no bottom line yet!
|
|
|
Post by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 19, 2013 9:13:28 GMT -5
Aughhhhh… The dangers of hearsay rears its ugly head. So much so ALJD had to edit one post and delete another. That said, @workdone it can be argued that the verb “hold” does in fact include the process of scoring and completing. Law school 101, there is always a counter argument to your argument. Since OPM does not maintain case law we have no idea how they interpret “hold.” No weight can be given to your argument of “past experience” because we are in uncharted waters with this new testing paradigm. It could be argued that the 10 pointers who tested in July August Sept and Oct timeframe are in a different category than 10 point vets who petitioned to have the examination re-opened for testing. Frankly, I see no logical reason why OPM could not complete the entire process for 2 10 pointers in 1 quarter. Everything is already graded by the time you get to Phase 3 and the announcement suggests that only the WD needs to be graded by hand. That said, if NORs for everyone come out at the end of the month, which would also be the end of the quarter, then one could argue that the 10 pointers’ assumption was correct. Only time will tell. At this point in the game anybody’s guess is as good as the others and none of us should parade around like we are subject matter experts or disparge opinions/assumptions we do not agree with. Especially since many of us may be colleagues one day. ssaogc based on your original unedited post you have the making of a great Lord of the Sith. From hence forth you shall be called "Darth O GEE C" pronounced oh-ja-see.
|
|
|
Post by 71stretch on Dec 19, 2013 10:10:09 GMT -5
If they meant something other than the plain ordinary meeting of "hold" (like "holding" a meeting) --i.e., to conduct the exam, then I would think they would have said so. So, I don't think scoring at any particular time is required by that regulation. JMO, of course.
|
|