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Post by futuressaalj on Dec 19, 2013 10:16:29 GMT -5
Dark lord the force is weak in your position. Of course you can argue anything for or against just like you can indict a ham sandwich. The force is strong with the drone's analysis just like "if does not fit you must acquit" got OJ off.
Ssaogc is too honest and not diplomatic in her comments but i agreed with her assessment even though she disturbed the balance of the force on this board.
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Post by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 19, 2013 12:10:26 GMT -5
Dark lord the force is weak in your position. Of course you can argue anything for or against just like you can indict a ham sandwich. The force is strong with the drone's analysis just like "if does not fit you must acquit" got OJ off. Ssaogc is too honest and not diplomatic in her comments but i agreed with her assessment even though she disturbed the balance of the force on this board. Oncemore, the Sith will rule the galaxy and we shall have peace. Ahhhhh but it is a position......and I am afraid whenever NORs arrive oncemore the 10 pointers will rise to the top of their respective category....especially the patent attorney...
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Post by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 19, 2013 12:33:42 GMT -5
If they meant something other than the plain ordinary meeting of "hold" (like "holding" a meeting) --i.e., to conduct the exam, then I would think they would have said so. So, I don't think scoring at any particular time is required by that regulation. JMO, of course. Hence the need for associate attorneys, so partners don't have to spend our time looking for the OPM meaning of "hold." BTW as you are well aware many cases have turned on a single word that was more expansive than it seemed at first blush. For instance when "immoral sex" in Caminetti V U.S. was found to include "consenual extramarital sex." Others that come to mind, "organized crime" under RICO and terrorist under the Patriot Act. Oh here is one "enemy combatant." This is a great beginning of a joke it think...How do lawyers pass the time while waiting for NORs?..... (fill in the blank)...
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Post by pubdef on Dec 19, 2013 14:41:51 GMT -5
And when you get your NOR what are you going to do with it? Wait some more. Best case for me is to wait some more. There are people who are waiting for their opportunity to appeal previous results.
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Post by 71stretch on Dec 19, 2013 14:47:48 GMT -5
And when you get your NOR what are you going to do with it? Wait some more. Exactly. We all have a lot more pressing things to attend to over the next weeks/months/whatever. Done with this discussion. Merry Christmas, All!
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Post by ALJD on Dec 19, 2013 16:28:03 GMT -5
We all have a lot more pressing things to attend to over the next weeks/months/whatever. Done with this discussion. Merry Christmas, All! Well said. Happy Holidays to everyone!
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Post by privateatty on Dec 20, 2013 8:09:44 GMT -5
Aughhhhh… The dangers of hearsay rears its ugly head. So much so ALJD had to edit one post and delete another. That said, @workdone it can be argued that the verb “hold” does in fact include the process of scoring and completing. Law school 101, there is always a counter argument to your argument. Since OPM does not maintain case law we have no idea how they interpret “hold.” No weight can be given to your argument of “past experience” because we are in uncharted waters with this new testing paradigm. It could be argued that the 10 pointers who tested in July August Sept and Oct timeframe are in a different category than 10 point vets who petitioned to have the examination re-opened for testing. Frankly, I see no logical reason why OPM could not complete the entire process for 2 10 pointers in 1 quarter. Everything is already graded by the time you get to Phase 3 and the announcement suggests that only the WD needs to be graded by hand. That said, if NORs for everyone come out at the end of the month, which would also be the end of the quarter, then one could argue that the 10 pointers’ assumption was correct. Only time will tell. At this point in the game anybody’s guess is as good as the others and none of us should parade around like we are subject matter experts or disparge opinions/assumptions we do not agree with. Especially since many of us may be colleagues one day. ssaogc based on your original unedited post you have the making of a great Lord of the Sith. From hence forth you shall be called "Darth O GEE C" pronounced oh-ja-see. The "editing" of ALJD and deletetions have to be seen in a historical light. Back in 2007 when this Board was born there was another Board that got infested with trolls and flamers who were incredibly nasty. So much so that they polluted the Board to the point that folks couldn't have a decent dialogue and most didn't want to go on. The need for information was great--particularly for outsiders like myself. During 2009 two very prolific and intelligent posters were in somewhat of a how shall I say, voiding contest with ALJD about a variety of subjects but the guiding principle was that since this was Pixie's and ALJD's Board, they got to decide what was misleading information and also, perhaps most importantly, what the proper "temperature" should be. I, for one, got really ticked off and canceled my account (that is why it says 2009 for me as to when I joined but it actually was 2007) only to re-join some months later after I cooled off. Egos were involved and to some degree a level of patience. I try not to be judgemental because I have a huge ego and little patience. Anyway, those posters chose to delete their accounts and posts. One of them is now a judge and doing quite well. The other is not but is quite OK with that. I don't always agree with ALJD and the heavy hand. But I understand that someone has to do the job and that to sometimes err on the side of ensuring that newbies be not fed wrong or misleading information is OK. Of course, what is wrong or misleadng information is open to debate and that is a possible point of contention. A lot of posters don't always appreciate the fact that tons of work has gone into this Board and that 99 % of those lurkers and yes, posters who have read these pages ultimately care only about their own paths and not anyone else. This fact, in and of itself, is of course just human nature, but I digress. The second point I wish to make (and I am repeating myself) is that without this Board I would not be sitting here and I would be still a really miserable private attorney. Those posters from the past freely gave their counsel to me in pms that made all the difference and I owe them and this Board. And this job has not just totally affected my professional life but my personal one as well in ways that could never have been imagined. A pm from one of you lamented the seemingly wasted efforts and non-success of their recent application and of course, the whole process. I urged him/her to persevere and carry the good fight for it is indeed worth it--in ways that you cannot know now. Reflect this Holiday Season my friends and consider that while you may hate the process and this long, painful gauntlet, there is a method to OPM's madness and part of it is to teach you about you.
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Post by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 20, 2013 8:44:58 GMT -5
The second point I wish to make (and I am repeating myself) is that without this Board I would not be sitting here and I would be still a really miserable private attorney. Those posters from the past freely gave their counsel to me in pms that made all the difference and I owe them and this Board. And this job has not just totally affected my professional life but my personal one as well in ways that could never have been imagined. A pm from one of you lamented the seemingly wasted efforts and non-success of their recent application and of course, the whole process. I urged him/her to persevere and carry the good fight for it is indeed worth it--in ways that you cannot know now. Reflect this Holiday Season my friends and consider that while you may hate the process and this long, painful gauntlet, there is a method to OPM's madness and part of it is to teach you about you. Well said privateatty....it is easy to forget just how fortunate WE ALL are not only to be waiting for NORs but to all have achieved a modicum of success in life. There is a lot to be grateful for indeed. I am off to Europe in search of Father Christmas...I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday season full of (dark side) joy.
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Post by jessejames on Dec 20, 2013 9:04:14 GMT -5
For those who are prospective federal ALJ's, we very much appreciate this Board and those giving input. I have learned a lot from these postings even if it is just to commensurate about the delay. I was a former state WC ALJ and appreciated the opportunity to try to render justice under the law and the facts. Hopefully, many of us waiting for the NOR will have some good news soon. Happy Holidays:)
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Post by meglev on Dec 20, 2013 11:52:33 GMT -5
My guess is today!! My testing status now shows complete as does another on the forum. No email received from OPM/USA Jobs yet.
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Post by Gaidin on Dec 20, 2013 21:09:30 GMT -5
January 30/31. Before the end of the month, quarter, calendar year.
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Post by Dark Lord of the Sith on Dec 20, 2013 22:17:06 GMT -5
Dark lord the force is weak in your position. Of course you can argue anything for or against just like you can indict a ham sandwich. The force is strong with the drone's analysis just like "if does not fit you must acquit" got OJ off. Ssaogc is too honest and not diplomatic in her comments but i agreed with her assessment even though she disturbed the balance of the force on this board. Oncemore, the Sith will rule the galaxy and we shall have peace. Ahhhhh but it is a position......and I am afraid whenever NORs arrive oncemore the 10 pointers will rise to the top of their respective category....especially the patent attorney... Well I may have been right after all....
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Post by Gaidin on Dec 30, 2013 9:45:55 GMT -5
I think the NORs are out today or tomorrow.
I would love for your Super Bowl prediction to come true but my beloved Saints just can't get it done on the road this year and I am thinking it will be a Broncos/Seahawks Super Bowl.
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Post by sandiferhands (old) on Dec 30, 2013 10:57:17 GMT -5
I'll play.
NORs out at the end of this week.
My beloved Saints out in week two (sigh).
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Post by moopigsdad on Dec 30, 2013 11:07:02 GMT -5
If NORs are not out by tomorrow, then they will not be out until mid-January at the earliest. Once, this quarter ends, there is no real hurry to get out the NORs as the next quarter goes through March 31, 2014. I don't see a clamoring for Federal Government hiring at this time, so there might be no need to rush the NORs period.
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Post by Gram Pop on Dec 30, 2013 11:13:23 GMT -5
I think the NORs are out today or tomorrow. I would love for your Super Bowl prediction to come true but my beloved Saints just can't get it done on the road this year and I am thinking it will be a Broncos/Seahawks Super Bowl. As an Eagles fan, I must agree with you about the Saints, particularly as the forecast is for temps in the low 20's at game time. As or the Nors, I am convinced that they will be out this month. I have no rational reason for this conclusion other than my child-like inability to wait any longer.
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Post by sealaw90 on Dec 30, 2013 11:13:41 GMT -5
If NORs are not out by tomorrow, then they will not be out until mid-January at the earliest. Once, this quarter ends, there is no real hurry to get out the NORs as the next quarter goes through March 31, 2014. I don't see a clamoring for Federal Government hiring at this time, so there might be no need to rush the NORs period. I totally agree mpd. I really thought December would be the month. I think this "bun has been in the oven" long enough
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Post by davef on Dec 30, 2013 11:51:29 GMT -5
NOR's by the end of the week. Big Hawks fan, so, Seahawks and Bengals. Yes bengals. My childhood is still marred by the 1989 playoffs in which Ickey Woods performed the Ickey Shuffle all over my heart.
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Post by zebra51 on Dec 30, 2013 11:53:25 GMT -5
If NORs are not out by tomorrow, then they will not be out until mid-January at the earliest. Once, this quarter ends, there is no real hurry to get out the NORs as the next quarter goes through March 31, 2014. I don't see a clamoring for Federal Government hiring at this time, so there might be no need to rush the NORs period. Someone mentioned on another thread that the help desk contacted them on their DD-214 today. So there is an indication there is someone in the OPM office today doing something. Good chance for a late night email tonight or tomorrow. But must agree that if not out by the 31st there will be no hurry in January to get them out.
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Post by moopigsdad on Dec 30, 2013 11:57:24 GMT -5
If NORs are not out by tomorrow, then they will not be out until mid-January at the earliest. Once, this quarter ends, there is no real hurry to get out the NORs as the next quarter goes through March 31, 2014. I don't see a clamoring for Federal Government hiring at this time, so there might be no need to rush the NORs period. Someone mentioned on another thread that the help desk contacted them on their DD-214 today. So there is an indication there is someone in the OPM office today doing something. Good chance for a late night email tonight or tomorrow. But must agree that if not out by the 31st there will be no hurry in January to get them out. It was true in another post that stated those facts. However, I don't think that contact is necessarily an indication of anything occurring immediately. Perhaps, someone was just following up on an email from true sent earlier to the help desk.
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