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Post by Gaidin on Nov 13, 2013 22:00:40 GMT -5
Trust me. Visalia is better than Fresno. Still within the armpit of California. But not the desert Tatooine planet that Fort Irwin is. If Fresno is the armpit of California, the greater Barstow/Baker area is the perineal flexure. Tatooine at least had the Mos Eisley Cantina.
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Post by chessparent on Nov 13, 2013 22:17:38 GMT -5
Two weeks ago I was in the smokies and transited a 360* curve. Tunnel then overpass. It startled me. Just like a corkscrew. I reject the Road kill reference but know some folk who wouldn't. Waddya say chess parent. Got a road kill pun? Hmmmmm...
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Post by chessparent on Nov 13, 2013 22:21:39 GMT -5
Two weeks ago I was in the smokies and transited a 360* curve. Tunnel then overpass. It startled me. Just like a corkscrew. I reject the Road kill reference but know some folk who wouldn't. Waddya say chess parent. Got a road kill pun? Didn't know I was getting called out. Been busy with my campaign for local raccoon catcher.
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Post by chessparent on Nov 13, 2013 22:29:45 GMT -5
Two weeks ago I was in the smokies and transited a 360* curve. Tunnel then overpass. It startled me. Just like a corkscrew. I reject the Road kill reference but know some folk who wouldn't. Waddya say chess parent. Got a road kill pun? Didn't know I was getting called out. Been busy with my campaign for local raccoon catcher. Annnnd...I thought we left the smoking thread behind weeks ago.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Nov 14, 2013 10:25:49 GMT -5
So this would be the last, last last gasp for the current register? I don't think January hiring has to be from the old register - I think it is very possible to have NORs and a new register in place within just a couple of weeks from now - based on past practices/timelines (however dubious a reliance that might be). My question is on how much time agency interviews take - assuming a certificate includes 30 spots (and for simplicity, 30 different offices, rather than multiples at "less popular" offices, which is more common) - that's 90 names. How much time does Falls Church take to interview those folks (and, I assume they do the reference check at this point)? Can they do 90 interviews in 1 week? 1 month? This is part of the process I'm really unfamiliar with.
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Post by BagLady on Nov 14, 2013 11:23:11 GMT -5
Ace, I looked back at the timeline sticky and--only considering the first cert from each year--it was approximately two months from scheduling interviews to offers. The 2007 offers took a little longer, but I assume that was a larger hire than your hypothetical 90. A register in place by the end of November, a cert immediately thereafter, and hiring in January? Absolutely possible. Let's think positively, people!
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Post by lurker/dibs on Nov 14, 2013 12:03:55 GMT -5
Ace, I looked back at the timeline sticky and--only considering the first cert from each year--it was approximately two months from scheduling interviews to offers. The 2007 offers took a little longer, but I assume that was a larger hire than your hypothetical 90. A register in place by the end of November, a cert immediately thereafter, and hiring in January? Absolutely possible. Let's think positively, people! Here! Here! I will put aside my second personality "negative nancy" and say that is exactly what will happen!
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Post by moopigsdad on Nov 14, 2013 12:55:54 GMT -5
While I would love to see a hire in January 2014 by SSA, I do not think there will be one until mid-2014 or later due to budgetary issues. Sorry to have to say this fact, but it is probably the reality of the situation. I hope I am wrong!
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Post by trekker on Nov 14, 2013 12:58:52 GMT -5
I will continue to be "negative nancy" but that is only because I am about to scream and/or bang my head against the wall because I cannot seem to get through to any of my local field offices nor can I get responses to any letters/appeals/award notices, etc. Next week I plan to stand in line at the nearest office with one of my low IQ clients and just take a number -- his benefits were cut off 10 months ago and he supposedly resolved the issue in June but still has no income. (And I did call the 800 number after getting cut off twice when calling the FO -- but even that person had trouble scheduling an appt (my backup plan) for this client because her computer kept locking her out.) I think the next round of hires will be at the FO's. But I hope that I am wrong for my sake and everyone else on this list.
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Post by sealaw90 on Nov 14, 2013 13:23:23 GMT -5
While I would love to see a hire in January 2014 by SSA, I do not think there will be one until mid-2014 or later due to budgetary issues. Sorry to have to say this fact, but it is probably the reality of the situation. I hope I am wrong! Gee thanks mpd, lurker/dibs decided to NOT be "Negative Nancy" but there you go and get all "Davey Downer" on us?? I hope you're wrong too. IMHO, I think IF there is a small hire in January, it will be off the old register. This is simply because we have not heard from anyone that it has officially 'died'. If someone posts that OPM has officially killed it off, then we may see the new register in place sooner than we think - call me Sally Sunshine!!!
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Post by 71stretch on Nov 14, 2013 13:23:56 GMT -5
The interviews and reference checks and all take too long for a January hire from any new register. And, the Chief Judge's comments, referenced elsewhere, are not even close to saying there will be ANY hire on January. Not happening, IMO.
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Post by moopigsdad on Nov 14, 2013 13:38:59 GMT -5
While I would love to see a hire in January 2014 by SSA, I do not think there will be one until mid-2014 or later due to budgetary issues. Sorry to have to say this fact, but it is probably the reality of the situation. I hope I am wrong! Gee thanks mpd, lurker/dibs decided to NOT be "Negative Nancy" but there you go and get all "Davey Downer" on us?? I hope you're wrong too. IMHO, I think IF there is a small hire in January, it will be off the old register. This is simply because we have not heard from anyone that it has officially 'died'. If someone posts that OPM has officially killed it off, then we may see the new register in place sooner than we think - call me Sally Sunshine!!! I didn't mean to kill your groove sealaw, but I was just giving my opinion. I just don't see a hire in January 2014, since Congress hasn't even honestly worked on the budget since the last Federal Government shutdown recently. Perhaps, even another shutdown is possibly looming in January. I just don't see any hiring taking place until funding is in place for it to occur.
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Post by funkyodar on Nov 14, 2013 14:08:38 GMT -5
Come on guys. I'd like it to happen too, but no way there is a hire in january. As observer noted it takes too long to put one together and a january hire completely contradicts the judge bice comments at the current judge training.
Mpd is right on the budget. there almost defwon't be any hiring until ssa knows what its budget will be. And if colvins comments are true, the first hirings will be field office personnel.
And think about this, odar gearing up to hire is muy muy gossip worthy. I and other odarites heard about the plans for this last small hire (budget willing) over 6 months before it happened. What are we hearing now? crickets on my end. that they will be lucky to hire a smal # of aljs at the end of fiscal 14. my opinion only, but Ican't see any indication there will be a january hire.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Nov 14, 2013 14:48:30 GMT -5
And I agree that hiring is unlikely, just based on the budget - I was arguing against them hiring again from the old register, even in January.
IF there is authority for hiring in January/February, I believe that ODAR will want to hire from the new (as yet incomplete) register. I agree that budget issues will likely predominate any technical issues with the creation of the new register.
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Post by sealaw90 on Nov 14, 2013 15:42:19 GMT -5
Yes, yes, it all makes complete logical sense that there is not going to be an actual, honest, hire either from the old or the new/forthcoming register. I think some of us were having some fun, trying to put a smile on our face while we wait... Tom Petty song playing in my head now... and wait. Well Funky I will thank you for your insight, but I do NOT thank you for putting me in a 'debbie downer' mood! Just kidding .
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Post by funkyodar on Nov 14, 2013 15:43:49 GMT -5
Yes, yes, it all makes complete logical sense that there is not going to be an actual, honest, hire either from the old or the new/forthcoming register. I think some of us were having some fun, trying to put a smile on our face while we wait... Tom Petty song playing in my head now... and wait. Well Funky I will thank you for your insight, but I do NOT thank you for putting me in a 'debbie downer' mood! Just kidding . Sorry to funk your dream sealaw.
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Post by bartleby on Nov 14, 2013 16:29:25 GMT -5
Historically, nothing happens at ODAR between mid-November and the end of December. Way too many management with use-or-lose leave that has to be used during that period of time.
But then again, as Sgt. Oddball says, "Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"
And since ODAR does as ODAR wants, they may hire you all by Christmas... But, I digress. Stay thirsty my Friends..
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Post by BagLady on Nov 14, 2013 20:34:37 GMT -5
Except for 2007, when NORs issued on 10/30, the ODAR cert was pulled on 11/30, interviews were scheduled 12/7 and held through January, and offers were made 2/28. I know, I know . . . my practice typically takes a rest from November through the first of the year, too. But "ODAR does as ODAR wants" (or so I've read). If we must choose between optimism and pessimism, why not the former? Why not be cautiously optimistic? Positive thoughts, people!!
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Post by 71stretch on Nov 14, 2013 22:35:14 GMT -5
Positive or negative isn't the issue. I just tend to give credence to what the Chief Judge said. Getting too worked up about this whole process, positively or negatively, at this stage doesn't make much sense to me. I suspect it's largely because it's not my first time in this rodeo.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Nov 15, 2013 8:28:31 GMT -5
as Sgt. Oddball says, "Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?" Think about this for a second - that conversation was between Jack Bauer's (24) father and Captain Stubing (The Love Boat). Just weird in hindsight.
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