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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 16, 2014 13:00:21 GMT -5
This new process actually makes prioritizing locations seem to mean something. If they want as many quick acceptances as possible they have an incentive to try and put people where they want to be. Huge difference from past practices. I'm starting to see the utility of it as well - in addition to the budget savings (at least for current federal employees) and a general desire to make everyone as happy as possible - if ODAR can match just 12 to 15 candidates that they really want with their #1 locations (perhaps #1, #2 or #3), particularly if it knocks some 10-pointers out, that can grease the treads for the rest of the process.
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 16, 2014 13:21:11 GMT -5
Just had a random thought regarding perspective of the hiring committee. Not sure it adds anything to the.discussion, but find it interesting.
In the past, they would get 270 - 300 names for 90 slots. They would then search out the 90 most desired and set about clearing a path to each one through gal, selection order, three striking, hiring others just to clear a route to a favored candidate, etc.
But now, it's different. Only 168 (or 158 or.slightly more or less) for the 90 slots. For the first time, a majority of those on the cert will get hired. The "select few" this time will be the nonselected.
Ive been thinking this new process makes it harder on odar. But with a perspective change, it may be much easier. Instead of searching for 90 "wants" they can just make a smaller list of the 70 or so "don't wants." Then, instead of having to find creative ways to get to who they want, they can just go down the lists hiring until they encounter a "dont want" obstacle. Then use whatever method is available to get around that person.
For example, say Candidate 4 is a "want." Under the old method, they would have to figure out a way around candidates 1, 2 and 3. Maybe candidate 3 was a "dont want" but the others, 1 and 2, are ok, just not as popular as 4. The likelihood is, candidates 1 and 2 arent gonna get hired either, may get 3 struck, just to clear the path to #4.
Under this new mathmatical reality, candidate 3, who is on the "dont want" list will be the only casualty.
Maybe nothing to it, but perspective could be everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 13:28:37 GMT -5
This new process actually makes prioritizing locations seem to mean something. If they want as many quick acceptances as possible they have an incentive to try and put people where they want to be. Huge difference from past practices. I think this is especially true in those cases where a candidate has prioritized "unpopular" or "Crapland" cities high on his/her GAL.
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Post by sealaw90 on Jun 16, 2014 14:03:58 GMT -5
This new process actually makes prioritizing locations seem to mean something. If they want as many quick acceptances as possible they have an incentive to try and put people where they want to be. Huge difference from past practices. I think this is especially true in those cases where a candidate has prioritized "unpopular" or "Crapland" cities high on his/her GAL. A strategy that has not been lost on me for future certs... or possible future refresh
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Post by buckeye on Jun 16, 2014 14:51:10 GMT -5
Soooo, does this mean that we will hear sooner or later than normal? Most people have stated that the offers should start "by august" but from other posts, some have stated the end of this month. And do they wait to find out who accepts offers from OMHA? Then just take those off the list?
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Post by privateatty on Jun 16, 2014 16:17:17 GMT -5
Just had a random thought regarding perspective of the hiring committee. Not sure it adds anything to the.discussion, but find it interesting. In the past, they would get 270 - 300 names for 90 slots. They would then search out the 90 most desired and set about clearing a path to each one through gal, selection order, three striking, hiring others just to clear a route to a favored candidate, etc. But now, it's different. Only 168 (or 158 or.slightly more or less) for the 90 slots. For the first time, a majority of those on the cert will get hired. The "select few" this time will be the nonselected. Ive been thinking this new process makes it harder on odar. But with a perspective change, it may be much easier. Instead of searching for 90 "wants" they can just make a smaller list of the 70 or so "don't wants." Then, instead of having to find creative ways to get to who they want, they can just go down the lists hiring until they encounter a "dont want" obstacle. Then use whatever method is available to get around that person. For example, say Candidate 4 is a "want." Under the old method, they would have to figure out a way around candidates 1, 2 and 3. Maybe candidate 3 was a "dont want" but the others, 1 and 2, are ok, just not as popular as 4. The likelihood is, candidates 1 and 2 arent gonna get hired either, may get 3 struck, just to clear the path to #4. Under this new mathmatical reality, candidate 3, who is on the "dont want" list will be the only casualty. Maybe nothing to it, but perspective could be everything. I agree with you. ODAR can no longer be picky. Watching this for eight years I'd say Karma is a b$%ch. Yup, they only get to strike those who stunk up their room or made bad reference choices. Y'all should raise a glass to that which hath been the subject of so much of your ire: you guessed it, those nice folks in the Roosevelt Bldg.
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Post by tmgesq on Jun 30, 2014 9:02:46 GMT -5
As I have been off the boards for a little bit for various reasons I'm not sure if this news is out there or not but...if it is not then I can tell you that offers will be going out on 7/9/14. Am I sure? Yes, but it's best not to disclose how I know. Good luck to everyone whose waiting...
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Post by moopigsdad on Jun 30, 2014 9:04:17 GMT -5
Fantastic news for those waiting tmgesq. I know all those waiting will be 'geeked" about the news.
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Post by westernalj on Jun 30, 2014 9:09:00 GMT -5
Offers will begin going out on 7/9? In other words, the info that they need a response before moving to the next person is correct?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 9:25:00 GMT -5
As I have been off the boards for a little bit for various reasons I'm not sure if this news is out there or not but...if it is not then I can tell you that offers will be going out on 7/9/14. Am I sure? Yes, but it's best not to disclose how I know. Good luck to everyone whose waiting... Thanks for the information. Guess I won't have to shower with my phone the rest of this week.
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 30, 2014 9:35:22 GMT -5
Guess I won't have to shower with my phone the rest of this week. Just as a precaution, I'm going to anyway. BTW - this timeline makes sense - if Funky's intel is correct and the selection committee convened on Friday (perhaps started work, in earnest, this morning) and is working today through Thursday, July 3rd - CALJ's office gets the selections for approval on Monday, July 7th, has them for 2 days then Bob starts calling next Wednesday, July 9th. If the report date is, indeed, August 25th, that's 6 weeks for the earliest calls - if the process takes as long as 3 weeks (and could be a week), that still gives about 3 weeks for those called at the end of the cycle. On a related note, are we still collectively assuming that there will be an immediate second cert pulled - almost on top of the final offer being accepted to meet this rumored goal of 200 new hires? What will that timeline look like?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 9:51:50 GMT -5
Guess I won't have to shower with my phone the rest of this week. Just as a precaution, I'm going to anyway. BTW - this timeline makes sense - if Funky's intel is correct and the selection committee convened on Friday (perhaps started work, in earnest, this morning) and is working today through Thursday, July 3rd - CALJ's office gets the selections for approval on Monday, July 7th, has them for 2 days then Bob starts calling next Wednesday, July 9th. If the report date is, indeed, August 25th, that's 6 weeks for the earliest calls - if the process takes as long as 3 weeks (and could be a week), that still gives about 3 weeks for those called at the end of the cycle. On a related note, are we still collectively assuming that there will be an immediate second cert pulled - almost on top of the final offer being accepted to meet this rumored goal of 200 new hires? What will that timeline look like? The timeline does make sense, and it's consistent with what Funky has been reporting for quite a long time. Will OMHA offers/acceptances will occur before ODAR begins extending offers? Given the small number of OMHA hires to be made off the register, it seems those hires could be made before July 9.
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Post by westernalj on Jun 30, 2014 9:54:44 GMT -5
What would be the effect of OMAHA hires if SSA already selected those same individuals but hadn't yet made any calls?
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Post by 71stretch on Jun 30, 2014 10:01:18 GMT -5
What would be the effect of OMAHA hires if SSA already selected those same individuals but hadn't yet made any calls? If someone declines the job because they've accepted an offer from OMHA, it's the same as any other declined offer. They move on to their second choice.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jun 30, 2014 10:06:06 GMT -5
What would be the effect of OMAHA hires if SSA already selected those same individuals but hadn't yet made any calls? It would lead to a reshuffling of the people selected for positions at ODAR. Hence, the second choice for that ODAR office would get the position. I think SSA always selects the person they want to have the position and an alternate, in case, the person they select, chooses another position or declines the offer. However, that may reshuffle what happens down the line at other offices, if the alternate for a position at one office was the leading candidate for another office. Hence, this is why SSA needs to have more than one person ready for each office in the process, to keep things moving. Perhaps, they decide to not even fill the position, if their original choice declines, too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 10:07:03 GMT -5
What would be the effect of OMAHA hires if SSA already selected those same individuals but hadn't yet made any calls? OMHA has second interviewed only a very small group of people (only 2 or 3 who participate on this Board). If ODAR extends its offers before OMHA gets acceptances from its desired hires, then OMHA runs the risk of literally having no one to hire off the register at this time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 10:10:56 GMT -5
What would be the effect of OMAHA hires if SSA already selected those same individuals but hadn't yet made any calls? It would lead to a reshuffling of the people selected for positions at ODAR. Hence, the second choice for that ODAR office would get the position. I think SSA always selects the person they want to have the position and an alternate, in case, the person they select, chooses another position or declines the offer. However, that may reshuffle what happens down the line at other offices, if the alternate for a position at one office was the leading candidate for another office. Hence, this is why SSA needs to have more than one person ready for each office in the process, to keep things moving. Perhaps, they decide to not even fill the position, if their original choice declines, too. I'm guessing Bob already knows who OMHA wants to hire, and I'm guessing Bob will know before he starts making his calls if those candidates have accepted an OMHA offer.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jun 30, 2014 10:12:50 GMT -5
Steve7650 that is assuming OMHA hires first. If not, as you stated, they may be left without any candidates for open positions.
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Post by Missundaztood on Jun 30, 2014 11:35:08 GMT -5
Steve7650 that is assuming OMHA hires first. If not, as you stated, they may be left without any candidates for open positions. OMHA would just ask for supplemental names. Like SSA did when folks started declining locations. Not terribly efficient. Would have to dip into lower scores -- good for me and any others who they might reach then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 11:53:05 GMT -5
Steve7650 that is assuming OMHA hires first. If not, as you stated, they may be left without any candidates for open positions. OMHA would just ask for supplemental names. Like SSA did when folks started declining locations. Not terribly efficient. Would have to dip into lower scores -- good for me and any others who they might reach then. The difference is that the supplemental names given to SSA were almost all people who had already submitted their paperwork and were being interviewed by SSA for other cities on their GALs, and thus the association of those candidates with additional cities didn't materially slow down SSA's hiring schedule. If SSA hires all of the people interviewed by OMHA, OMHA doesn't have a group of ready-to-hire "plan B candidates," and it will have to re-start its 3.5 month hiring process from day 1. It seems unlikely that result will be allowed.
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