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Post by chessparent on Jun 26, 2014 18:56:05 GMT -5
Does anyone know if they will let you know if you are NOT getting an offer? And will they tell you if you were three-struck, or if you'll be eligible for future certs? No one is told if they are three struck and no one is notified that they will not be hired. As many here can tell you, one of the most difficult days is when you see this board light up with people accepting offers and you are waiting for the call. I had memorized the number so that I would recognize it if my phone rang and carried it with me for days. After being on five certs, I can tell you it is a difficult time waiting. Then silence. Not to be a doomsayer, best wishes to all the hopeful candidates. I hope they hire greatly and frequently and may each of you get your calling. Cowboy, you are the wind beneath my wings (cue Bette Midler here...)
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Post by crab on Jun 26, 2014 19:01:31 GMT -5
PS: I'm only doing chessparent's bidding so as not to be eaten at some point ...
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Post by chessparent on Jun 26, 2014 19:43:56 GMT -5
PS: I'm only doing chessparent's bidding so as not to be eaten at some point ... Smart crab.
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Post by westernalj on Jun 26, 2014 19:47:27 GMT -5
If they select all 90 at once, what happens if #10 says no? Can they just redo that position? Or do they have to redo #10-90? In other words, do they have to maintain the selection order at all times?
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Post by chessparent on Jun 26, 2014 20:17:14 GMT -5
Right you are, Ace. This work from home sched has me all screwed up. Today feels like my Monday. My new guess is today is a travel day. Meet, greet and set the parameters tomorrow. Weekend off, (but maybe they work and get credit time) and reassemble for the big dart board, drunk monkey selection fest MTW and drop off the final selections to ocalj before heading out on the third......or not that at all. Funky, are you suggesting that the selectors are drunk monkeys? I thought prior intel was that selections would be made by a drunk, a chimp, and a trade school drop out. Or are you suggesting that they will be selecting drunk monkeys to be ALJs? If so, how do you explain my not making the certs? Why is this funnier when Gary says it?
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Post by cowboy on Jun 26, 2014 22:13:08 GMT -5
If they select all 90 at once, what happens if #10 says no? Can they just redo that position? Or do they have to redo #10-90? In other words, do they have to maintain the selection order at all times? No. People are selected and they are selected for a particular office when Bob is ready to make the call. This will take all of one day, perhaps two because of the size of the class. That should tell you there is no particular order or schedule other than I always had the impression that they started calling people on the east coast first and worked their way westward. Bob also has helpers because some people have been called by a female. I don't know if an alternate list is created, but I have heard of others getting the call up to a week after the "big day." They have so announced on this board causing yet another frantic round of guessing, hoping, calculating and so forth and such like. That seems to indicate that they may go through another round of selection for a spot that was turned down. It is clear that on occasions, SSA has planed to hire X candidates and ended up hiring X-2, so sometimes they don't fill spots that were turned down. When I used to have jury trials, one of the worst parts of the trial is when the jury goes out. Everything you can do has been done. Nothing you can do at this point will affect the case with the possible exception of jury questions. You have to do something else to take your mind off of it. There's too much guesswork. What if they come in right away? What does it mean if they take all day? You can spin your wheels about all kinds of theories and possibilities, but in the end you are obsessing (which, really, is kind of what a lawyer does anyway, isn't it?). Everyone should take a break and have a good weekend doing something else and plan a great 4th of July that doesn't involve a computer screen. Nothing will happen for at least two weeks.
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Post by westernalj on Jun 26, 2014 22:21:18 GMT -5
Cowboy, I think your response is correct under the older rules, but not the new ones. Under the new rules they have to wait until they get a yes before they can go onto the next person. It has been reported that the agency estimates it could take up to 30 days, because some people won't give immediate answers.
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Post by cowboy on Jun 26, 2014 23:32:06 GMT -5
Well that's time consuming and inefficient. I don't know the "new" rules; hence the reason I don't post much anymore. I can only tell you what's happened before. How can this new process benefit anyone? The agency or the prospective candidates?
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 27, 2014 7:10:48 GMT -5
Well that's time consuming and inefficient. I don't know the "new" rules; hence the reason I don't post much anymore. I can only tell you what's happened before. How can this new process benefit anyone? The agency or the prospective candidates? You're looking in the wrong direction for the benefits Cowboy. All these changes to the cert process....they were made by opm and benefit opm.
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Post by anotherfed on Jun 27, 2014 23:13:08 GMT -5
Well that's time consuming and inefficient. I don't know the "new" rules; hence the reason I don't post much anymore. I can only tell you what's happened before. How can this new process benefit anyone? The agency or the prospective candidates? You're looking in the wrong direction for the benefits Cowboy. All these changes to the cert process....they were made by opm and benefit opm. I don't know that OPM gets a benefit ... Other than thwarting SSA. Momentarily. Until ODAR figures out how to work the Register.
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Post by privateatty on Jun 28, 2014 7:28:20 GMT -5
OPM figured out a way to thwart SSA insofar as the latter was three-striking hundreds of good candidates over the past four years, forcing OPM to do what it didn't want to do--which was create a new Register. Now I don't want to debate the merits or demerits of three-striking, but I am of the firm opinion backed up by a little information, that OPM heard the criticism and unlike SSA, wanted to do something about it. Kudos to OPM for getting it done and for creating such a challenging testing process. I'm glad I didn't have to go through it!
Now with so few potential candidates, SSA has to figure out how they can three strike. Another new twist as noted above is keeping in consideration those candidates who may ask for a few days when they get the offer. In the past they got a very short window to accept, I seem to recall on these pages it was 48 hrs.
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 28, 2014 12:04:19 GMT -5
Had an interesting thought....
If the report that the selection committee began meeting yesterday is accurate, and we assume since they started meeting on a Friday they must be working thru the weekend, well then....
Some of us may well be sitting here, unknowingly, already selected as shiny new aljs. Conversely, some of us may have already had our dreams of the job killed.
Have a little warmth sensation in your ears this morn? A fleeting feeling of unexplained giddiness? That sinking feeling that someone walked over your grave?
It's the calm before the storm folks. Best of luck to all. It's bout to get furrealdo.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 12:32:06 GMT -5
Had an interesting thought.... If the report that the selection committee began meeting yesterday is accurate, and we assume since they started meeting on a Friday they must be working thru the weekend, well then.... Some of us may well be sitting here, unknowingly, already selected as shiny new aljs. Conversely, some of us may have already had our dreams of the job killed. Have a little warmth sensation in your ears this morn? A fleeting feeling of unexplained giddiness? That sinking feeling that someone walked over your grave? It's the calm before the storm folks. Best of luck to all. It's bout to get furrealdo. Tick tick tick tick
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Post by zepplin on Jun 28, 2014 13:00:24 GMT -5
Jaws theme song?
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Post by crab on Jun 28, 2014 13:10:11 GMT -5
Tsk tsk, funky. Everyone knows that government employees don't work weekends. Theory debunked (using any excuse to debunk theory after waking up feeling downright annoyed).
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 28, 2014 13:26:39 GMT -5
I would feel thoroughly debunked but for the fact I was at the office all morning, along with what I would guess was 2/3 of the staff. Everyone trying to take advantage of OT or credit/comp to turn next weekend into 4 days instead of just 3.
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Post by crab on Jun 28, 2014 13:51:04 GMT -5
You're getting paid/comped. That's a sweet perk. My mood is brightening at the prospect!
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 28, 2014 14:47:12 GMT -5
If the report that the selection committee began meeting yesterday is accurate, and we assume since they started meeting on a Friday they must be working thru the weekend, well then.... Do we have any evidence that anyone is working at HQ today, though?
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Post by funkyodar on Jun 28, 2014 14:52:44 GMT -5
If the report that the selection committee began meeting yesterday is accurate, and we assume since they started meeting on a Friday they must be working thru the weekend, well then.... Do we have any evidence that anyone is working at HQ today, though? Well.....no. But since when has a little ole matter of evidence stopped us?
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jun 28, 2014 15:19:57 GMT -5
True - I have, on occasion, relied upon rank speculation.
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