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Post by Ace Midnight on Jul 27, 2015 11:33:43 GMT -5
As the new certs are out - anyone in the "No FOAD" category - and I'm curious (not curious enough to make a poll, apparently) as to whether or not you got a new cert. Either answer is intriguing.
I'm "No FOAD", but received a cert email today.
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Post by zepplin on Jul 27, 2015 11:41:51 GMT -5
As the new certs are out - anyone in the "No FOAD" category - and I'm curious (not curious enough to make a poll, apparently) as to whether or not you got a new cert. Either answer is intriguing. I'm "No FOAD", but received a cert email today. I am no FOAD no cert (yet) and I am ok with whatever that means. If anything. I was thinking today that there was a prior cert I was on where I also got no FOAD but the general consensus on the board at that time was that it was an oversight or meaningless.
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Post by berk727 on Jul 27, 2015 11:55:49 GMT -5
I never received the FOAD letter, and I got the cert email today. :-)
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Post by Ace Midnight on Jul 27, 2015 11:57:47 GMT -5
I also got no FOAD but the general consensus on the board at that time was that it was an oversight or meaningless. You never got a FOAD for that cert? I agree it was/is probably meaningless - I just didn't think it was as large a sample as we had this time - and maybe I'm only paying attention this time because I got a FOAD all the previous times.
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Post by saaao on Jul 27, 2015 12:00:49 GMT -5
I also got no FOAD but the general consensus on the board at that time was that it was an oversight or meaningless. You never got a FOAD for that cert? I agree it was/is probably meaningless - I just didn't think it was as large a sample as we had this time - and maybe I'm only paying attention this time because I got a FOAD all the previous times. I think they had planned to hire for more cities up to the last minute and by the time they decided they couldn't do it, they decided the FOAD would probably be pretty meaningless with new certs coming.
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Post by zepplin on Jul 27, 2015 12:43:29 GMT -5
... or maybe, just maybe... the powers that be don't want me to FOAD? ....or maybe, just maybe...they don't care if I do or do not?
btw... I have been on the "list" so long now that my avatar in real life is an aging, chubby, cav king.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 27, 2015 12:59:16 GMT -5
... or maybe, just maybe... the powers that be don't want me to FOAD? ....or maybe, just maybe...they don't care if I do or do not?
btw... I have been on the "list" so long now that my avatar in real life is an aging, chubby, cav king. I love that aging avatar of yours Zepplin.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 27, 2015 13:00:13 GMT -5
I also got no FOAD but the general consensus on the board at that time was that it was an oversight or meaningless. You never got a FOAD for that cert? I agree it was/is probably meaningless - I just didn't think it was as large a sample as we had this time - and maybe I'm only paying attention this time because I got a FOAD all the previous times. Ace, I am in the same boat as you regarding no FOAD email, but new certs.
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Post by zepplin on Jul 27, 2015 13:51:36 GMT -5
I got the email
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Post by jessejames on Jul 27, 2015 16:24:47 GMT -5
Is it possible that if you had some cities on the prior cert and not on the present cert, with no FOAD email, that you might still be under current consideration for those cities?
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Post by saaao on Jul 27, 2015 16:35:14 GMT -5
Is it possible that if you had some cities on the prior cert and not on the present cert, with no FOAD email, that you might still be under current consideration for those cities? It is certainly possible. I got my e-mail today and I never got a FOAD for the last round. I notice a few cities I had thought were still open did not show up again on this cert, and I also notice a few that we thought were still open rolled over onto this round. Who knows?
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Post by zepplin on Jul 27, 2015 17:48:03 GMT -5
Is it possible that if you had some cities on the prior cert and not on the present cert, with no FOAD email, that you might still be under current consideration for those cities? I had this same thought. Hm. Need a cross-section of cities on the last cert that all or us who did not get the FOAD are on, compared to cities on this list, compared to hires. Gaiden?
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Post by willsdad on Jul 27, 2015 18:57:19 GMT -5
I'm in the same boat as many of you. I'm FOADless for the last cert, and I received my new cert this afternoon. I have a 5-city GAL. Three were on the last cert, but now there's only one. Interesting, the one city on this cert was also on my last cert. So, it may be that ODAR just allowed the last cert to die a quiet death. I would love to be wrong and still be open for the other two cities as well.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 27, 2015 19:54:52 GMT -5
I'm in the same boat as many of you. I'm FOADless for the last cert, and I received my new cert this afternoon. I have a 5-city GAL. Three were on the last cert, but now there's only one. Interesting, the one city on this cert was also on my last cert. So, it may be that ODAR just allowed the last cert to die a quiet death. I would love to be wrong and still be open for the other two cities as well. I believe you still open for a shot at the one or more of the other two cities. If the previous certs did not close completely due to no FOAD email going out to some candidates, parts of them are still open for possible hiring by SSA. The only question is it for all three or only two of your cities still open (since one of your three is on the new certs). If one or more cities on your previous cert are still open for hiring, then you do not receive the FOAD email and still have a shot at appointment there.
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Post by willsdad on Jul 27, 2015 21:10:05 GMT -5
Thanks for your thoughts, MPD! I hope you're right. It's an important discussion. For me, it's the difference between consideration for one city or three. My knowledge of this process is limited, but I've understood that only an FOAD closes a cert for a candidate. (Maybe a new cert does so as well?) As meticulous as this hiring process is for ODAR, I have a hard time accepting that they just casually move on to the next cert without closing the loop on the last one, especially when it seems to me to be a small thing to blast out an FOAD email to tidy things up before moving on. Always good to get insight from members like you with more knowledge of the process than newbies like me!
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Post by minny on Jul 27, 2015 21:44:15 GMT -5
Please re-read my post. There is no rule of three under the program. There are preference eligiblity veterans, but if a vet with a high score is in the "qualified" group while a non-vet with a lower score is in the "well qualified" group, the selecting official does not have to consider the vet at all. The score may be the tie-breaker only if the vet and non-vet are both in the same group. The category rating system actually benefits vets. If a 10 pt vet is deemed eligible they are moved to the top of the highest category. They have an absolute preference under category rating procedures. Other vets are moved to the top of whatever category they ranked in. The rule of three is incompatible with the category rating paradigm. The ALJ process is definitely not the category rating procedure.
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Post by Gaidin on Jul 28, 2015 9:41:06 GMT -5
Here is what I think is going on with the FOADless. Some of the certs from the April set are still alive. However, I doubt that all of your certs from the last set of certs are still alive. Only some of them. I also don't think that means they will hire in those locations only that ODAR wants maximum flexibility as it seeks to get a huge hire onboard by the end of the FY.
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Post by Xman on Nov 28, 2015 0:47:08 GMT -5
Hello all. My first post on this interesting thread. I am always amazed at how much people know about the process. I am a newbie who is still unclear on how the cert number system works. I recently saw a great link explaining it, but it is very complicated. Do you get offers for several cities and have to choose if you make it that far? I am still unclear about how the cert process works. Other posts have suggested a new register might be opened sometime next year. Trying to keep a positive attitude and get ready for the interviews...
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Post by rodkneekingslayer on Nov 28, 2015 5:20:26 GMT -5
SSA is hiring a lot of aljs over the next 2 years - 300-500 they say, so there is an excellent chance you will get your location. One alj was transferred to a Fl. city and he was 11th on the transfer list, so a lot of them are not serious about the transfer. There are a bunch of odar cities in Florida. You would probably transfer to Fl, but be aware that there is now a 15 month 'incubation' period prior to transfer list eligibility/ An exception for a hocalj slot applies if you have strong management credentials.
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Post by 71stretch on Nov 28, 2015 5:48:07 GMT -5
Hello all. My first post on this interesting thread. I am always amazed at how much people know about the process. I am a newbie 10 point vet who didn't make it the first time last year due to the nefarious WD, but somehow lucked an 80+ on the September 2/3 2015 retest NOR I received 2 weeks ago (it helps, but I recognize it's no guarantee, just a ticket to the next level). My GAL is broad on the eastern side of the country, but my home is South Florida where I want to be with my family. I surmise locations like Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, maybe Florida in general, are always being filled by transfers, so these cities are not usually on certs. Is that assumption correct? I am hoping for a DC or other location with good airports, but worry I might get offered one of boomdock locations if I even make it that far. Do you get offers for several cities and have to choose if you make it that far? I am still unclear about how the cert process works. My understanding is that 3-5 high scorers per location are put on the cert, so if there are 10 cities, there could be 50 names on the cert. But, wouldn't a lot of those names that have high scores be on various city certs if you had a broad GAL, so the list of names on the cert could be much smaller? I am hoping I will be on a number of certs due to my score and the fact I have a lot of cities (maybe 20). I plan on waiving some of the less desirable locations, knowing it will close me to them this cert. Other posts have suggested OPM might open a new register sometime next year. Still, I don't know what chances I have for locations that might work for me. Another 10 point friend of mine had only DC as his GAL, and while he was waiting for an SSA interview last winter, he received a call from Labor, interviewed, and took the job prior to his SSA interview. If I am lucky enough to be on a number of certs, then what should be my strategy? I know we only get one shot with each agency, and I will do my best not to blow it, but it's disconcerting. Sorry for the long email and multiple queries, but any thoughts for this prospect anxiously hoping for emailed certs before 8 am next Monday, Nov 30, 2015? Thanks. If you get an offer from ODAR, it will be for one city only, take it or leave it. So, your strategy is just that. You may at some point get to transfer to south Florida, but it will be at least 15 months before you do. You will have a maximum of 24 hours to decide whether to take the city offered. If you make certs for cities you know you don't want, as you know, you can decline to be considered for those, and they come off your GAL. As far as other agencies, they don't hire off the register often, (OMHA being the most common one, but far fewer than ODAR) and won't necessarily be hiring at the same time as ODAR. So, it's not that likely that you will have two agencies to choose from at the same time. If you decline 2 ODAR offers or two offers total from any two agencies (you technically don't get just one chance with each agency) waiting for some other agency to pull a cert, interview you, and offer you DC or, in the case of OMHA, Miami, you get suspended from the register for a year (and, IMHO, your chances of getting another ODAR offer after declining two are slim). OPM isn't going to open a new register, but will open applications again for others to be added to this one. The only thing that makes that process relevant to you, with your high score, is being able to adjust your GAL if you want to.
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