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Post by robespierre on Jul 22, 2015 8:57:58 GMT -5
Could it be that they are interviewing everyone on the register who hasn't been interviewed yet?
Just a thought ... probably not.
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Post by beenlurking on Jul 22, 2015 9:05:41 GMT -5
Robespierre, I am wondering the same thing. I think that is the most likely answer so that they can see everyone before making the last big push of hiring by the end of this fiscal year. But, that is only a guess as I have no inside information. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
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Post by ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) on Jul 22, 2015 9:09:40 GMT -5
Robespierre, I am wondering the same thing. I think that is the most likely answer so that they can see everyone before making the last big push of hiring by the end of this fiscal year. But, that is only a guess as I have no inside information. Anyone else have any thoughts on this? Yes, they said they are getting "very creative" because the process has been delayed.
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Post by gary on Jul 22, 2015 9:15:28 GMT -5
It's not possible. SSA only gets the candidates OPM puts on lists of eligibles in response to cert requests. OPM only puts candidates on lists of eligibles if they are reachable on a set of certs. That's not everyone left on the register.
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Post by ironmanlawyer on Jul 22, 2015 9:24:09 GMT -5
As ALJs can be used, is it limited to federal level ALJ or can a state level ALJ satisfy the requirement? Long time lurker - first time posting. I got the call also today, missed it and also got an email to call back within 24 hours. Very small cert - will refrain from naming the state. I do have questions regarding the references. I have been trying to find the parameters of what they require. Namely the criteria for 3 types - Judicial, Adversarial and professional. Any guidance is greatly appreciated. Judicial can include ALJs . Also, they can include judges you know well and who are comfortable answering the questions, but you haven't appeared in front of them. If you don't have enough adversarial, you can use attorneys who have not been adversaries. In the professional category, use any attorney who knows your work and you well. You can use firmer supervisors who are from far enough back in time that they don't appear in the work history part of the form. (You can't name the same person in two places)
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Post by ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) on Jul 22, 2015 9:27:02 GMT -5
For those of you that know you'll be interviewed but haven't gotten the email yet, you actually can use this time to your advantage - you're essentially being given a few days' heads up, so work on that reference list! So I wonder what happens if you don't put down any judicial or adversarial witnesses? In my line of work, opposing counsel are all greasy class action plaintiffs' lawyers (not saying plaintiffs' lawyers are greasy, just saying that the ones that sue my clients usually are) and if they remember me it is because they hate me. For judicial references, no judge that I have ever appeared before is going to know me from Adam, and I don't run in circles where I know any judges. And when it comes to professional references, I'm not going to give them the names of my partners or clients because I don't want those folks to know this is going on as they will resent me for it. Which leaves me with just current underlings at my firm and perhaps a couple of former partners, and my dentist.
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Post by gary on Jul 22, 2015 9:33:55 GMT -5
As ALJs can be used, is it limited to federal level ALJ or can a state level ALJ satisfy the requirement? Judicial can include ALJs . Also, they can include judges you know well and who are comfortable answering the questions, but you haven't appeared in front of them. If you don't have enough adversarial, you can use attorneys who have not been adversaries. In the professional category, use any attorney who knows your work and you well. You can use firmer supervisors who are from far enough back in time that they don't appear in the work history part of the form. (You can't name the same person in two places) The form just says that you may include ALJs. It does not limit you to federal ALJs.
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Post by beenlurking on Jul 22, 2015 9:37:28 GMT -5
When I got the call yesterday, the only email they reference me getting was to confirm the interview and for travel purposes. He then said you can bring an updated resume if needed and additional references or updated references for the resume. Nothing was said about the references everyone keeps referring to in the cert emails. I have never received a cert email.
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Post by gary on Jul 22, 2015 9:40:41 GMT -5
When I got the call yesterday, the only email they reference me getting was to confirm the interview and for travel purposes. He then said you can bring an updated resume if needed and additional references or updated references for the resume. Nothing was said about the references everyone keeps referring to in the cert emails. I have never received a cert email. You will.
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Post by beenlurking on Jul 22, 2015 9:43:38 GMT -5
When I got the call yesterday, the only email they reference me getting was to confirm the interview and for travel purposes. He then said you can bring an updated resume if needed and additional references or updated references for the resume. Nothing was said about the references everyone keeps referring to in the cert emails. I have never received a cert email. You will. So Gary, are you saying that SSA is now sorta working backwards, i.e., interviews and then possible cert emails instead of cert emails and then interviews?
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Post by gary on Jul 22, 2015 9:54:29 GMT -5
So Gary, are you saying that SSA is now sorta working backwards, i.e., interviews and then possible cert emails instead of cert emails and then interviews? Sort of. They have done a version of this in the past where they scheduled interviews with people before sending out cert emails. On the occasion with which I'm most familiar (November 2014) this happened for some, but not all, interviewees. This time the innovation may be that it's happening with more (if not all) of you. I had thought they would need the forms back before actually interviewing a person. However, time's getting awfully short to do that with next week's first interviewees. At some point though they'll need to get all those forms from you.
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Post by beenlurking on Jul 22, 2015 9:59:27 GMT -5
Gotcha. Makes sense. Thanks!
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Post by Gaidin on Jul 22, 2015 11:27:02 GMT -5
Got an anonymous email that a person who only has Dallas and Ft. Worth on their GAL is being interviewed. I know that we won't know a final list until we get cert emails. Hopefully, that is soon but it passes the time if people with small GALs will pass along their cities because it gives us some idea whats possible.
Good luck to those interviewing. I can't stress enough that you should go read the threads about prepping your references.
I agree with Gary ODAR can't tell OPM give us everybody we haven't see yet but I think they can request broadly enough that they can get a good sampling of the people they haven't interviewed yet. However, 3 days doesn't seem like nearly enough space to interview everybody that is left.
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Post by moopigsdad on Jul 22, 2015 11:36:29 GMT -5
Got an anonymous email that a person who only has Dallas and Ft. Worth on their GAL is being interviewed. I know that we won't know a final list until we get cert emails. Hopefully, that is soon but it passes the time if people with small GALs will pass along their cities because it gives us some idea whats possible. Good luck to those interviewing. I can't stress enough that you should go read the threads about prepping your references. I agree with Gary ODAR can't tell OPM give us everybody we haven't see yet but I think they can request broadly enough that they can get a good sampling of the people they haven't interviewed yet. However, 3 days doesn't seem like nearly enough space to interview everybody that is left. I would venture to guess the total number of interviewees is between 48 and 64 total, probably on the lower end rather then on the upper end. Yes, as we know just because SSA is interviewing for a GAL location doesn't mean SSA will be hiring for that location in September. As we know, sometimes SSA asks for certs that are filled by transfer or SSA decides not to hire for that location at this time. However, at least with an interview down, you have the opportunity for a real chance at a position. So, good luck to all interviewing as well as the rest of us waiting for a call.
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Post by mamaru on Jul 22, 2015 12:04:39 GMT -5
So Gary, are you saying that SSA is now sorta working backwards, i.e., interviews and then possible cert emails instead of cert emails and then interviews? Sort of. They have done a version of this in the past where they scheduled interviews with people before sending out cert emails. On the occasion with which I'm most familiar (November 2014) this happened for some, but not all, interviewees. This time the innovation may be that it's happening with more (if not all) of you. I had thought they would need the forms back before actually interviewing a person. However, time's getting awfully short to do that with next week's first interviewees. At some point though they'll need to get all those forms from you. For what it's worth, they did not check my references until after the interview. I think they just hand them over to the contractor. The people interviewing you will have no idea who your references are or what they said. I think the opportunity to update is for people with more "hang time" between submitting their references and the interview.
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Post by february on Jul 22, 2015 12:23:20 GMT -5
Bob told me yesterday that the interviews are over 2 weeks (still doesn't help me, as my vacation is 2+ weeks long) and I think a few people reported interview dates of Aug 4-6 upthread. That might indicate a larger pool of candidates being brought in.
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Post by 71stretch on Jul 22, 2015 12:40:33 GMT -5
As ALJs can be used, is it limited to federal level ALJ or can a state level ALJ satisfy the requirement? Judicial can include ALJs . Also, they can include judges you know well and who are comfortable answering the questions, but you haven't appeared in front of them. If you don't have enough adversarial, you can use attorneys who have not been adversaries. In the professional category, use any attorney who knows your work and you well. You can use firmer supervisors who are from far enough back in time that they don't appear in the work history part of the form. (You can't name the same person in two places) State ALJs are fine.
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Post by sealaw90 on Jul 22, 2015 12:47:42 GMT -5
Yes it does mean that ODAR is interviewing a lot of folks, 50 - 60 sounds about right (thanks mpd!)
Then let's add in the rest of you folks who interviewed over the past year and are still waiting to be hired. That's approximately 100+.
So ODAR will have approximately 150-160, give or take, to choose from for approximately 75 slots.
If this wag is even remotely close, these are awesome odds of getting hired!
Sratty seemed to indicate that the next hiring date may not be September 8, but 'late' September. This would make sense, as calls to make offers probably won't happen until late August.
BTW, Does anyone else has access to the training calendar? Is there a new ALJ training in late September? Have they posted FY16 training dates yet?
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Post by gary on Jul 22, 2015 13:12:51 GMT -5
If all candidates were available for all certed locations, and if no candidate had been considered previously, 125 candidates would be reachable.
With many candidates having tiny GALs, and with many candidates already having 1, 2, or 3 considerations, SSA will have a lot more than that from which to make selections. I would guess more than the 150-60 suggested.
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Post by scouter2 on Jul 22, 2015 13:57:01 GMT -5
With the above time line estimates projected any thoughts on when OPM may be contacting those whose scores were below the cutoff at Stage 2 previously, who now may be invited to DC for testing?
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