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Post by ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) on Aug 3, 2015 10:17:15 GMT -5
I disagree. The Judge is either professional or he/she is not. OPM chose them to be a Judge and administer the law under the APA not just for the SEC or Labor but for the Agency they are now in, namely ODAR. It doesn't matter if they are doing a full blown bench trial with 20 lawyers and a hundred motions that takes 4 months or is judging an unrepresented, unwashed Claimant at ODAR. Sounds to me you are describing the spoiled and petulant and not the Judge I aspire to. Private, I fear you may have misunderstood my posts. I have never suggested that someone should take the SSA ALJ position as a stepping stone if they were not going to be a great SSA ALJ in the meantime. I think we are all in agreement on that point--it would be a violation of ethics and duty to shirk the responsibility because you'd rather be somewhere else. My only point is that we can't expect all ALJs to love being an SSA ALJ; and this board should not be in the business of shaming folks who are looking past SSA and hoping for something else. You can still do a job very well even if you don't like it and even if you are hoping for better things to come -- haven't we all been there?
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Post by Gaidin on Aug 3, 2015 10:25:01 GMT -5
I haven't checked in for a few days and all I see is talk about turning down the job. Offers coming tomorrow is exciting news, but to have so many esteemed applicants already contemplating turning down the position... Well, I'd be a liar if I wouldn't admit I'm enthused... Heck, why contemplate, pull out now! tpm, why do you think offers are coming tomorrow (today)? Did somebody mention that possibility? Or by "tomorrow" do you mean "in the near future"? I'm not sure why tpm thought offers would start today but they will not start until after the hiring committee meets. The hiring committee won't meet until after the interviews are completed and I wouldn't think until after the background checks are back. The only possible exception to this is IF any of the April certs are still alive and they decide to extend offers to the folks who did not receive FOAD letters to get a jump start.
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Post by southerner on Aug 4, 2015 9:38:59 GMT -5
We suspect a good number of offers and hires before the end of the FY.
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Post by tpm on Aug 5, 2015 9:40:29 GMT -5
I haven't checked in for a few days and all I see is talk about turning down the job. Offers coming tomorrow is exciting news, but to have so many esteemed applicants already contemplating turning down the position... Well, I'd be a liar if I wouldn't admit I'm enthused... Heck, why contemplate, pull out now! tpm, why do you think offers are coming tomorrow (today)? Did somebody mention that possibility? Or by "tomorrow" do you mean "in the near future"? Yes!
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Post by tpm on Aug 5, 2015 9:43:48 GMT -5
tpm, why do you think offers are coming tomorrow (today)? Did somebody mention that possibility? Or by "tomorrow" do you mean "in the near future"? I'm not sure why tpm thought offers would start today but they will not start until after the hiring committee meets. The hiring committee won't meet until after the interviews are completed and I wouldn't think until after the background checks are back. The only possible exception to this is IF any of the April certs are still alive and they decide to extend offers to the folks who did not receive FOAD letters to get a jump start. Serves me right for trying to be funny..... if you know law, do law (as opposed to humor)... someone wise said. I thought the smiley face at the end made it clear that all I said in that comment was in jest. I have NO idea when offers are coming. I only said it as a comparison of news that one could get: offers coming now versus seeing many on the board thinking about the answer to the turning down the gig.
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Post by gary on Aug 5, 2015 9:53:25 GMT -5
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Post by tpm on Aug 5, 2015 9:56:00 GMT -5
I haven't checked in for a few days and all I see is talk about turning down the job. Offers coming tomorrow is exciting news, but to have so many esteemed applicants already contemplating turning down the position... Well, I'd be a liar if I wouldn't admit I'm enthused... Heck, why contemplate, pull out now! I don't read this thread as indication that "so many" applicants are already contemplating turning down an appointment. The only one here who has taken themselves out of the loop is the one who started the thread if I recall correctly. But, anyone else who has made that decision should opt out sooner rather than later... Why ask references to tell ODAR how great you'd be at a job you don't want? Yes, I don't either think that so many are contemplating to turn down the appointment themselves. I just saw a long thread of those contemplating the question of turning down an appointment. I tried (and failed) to make a joke about all that energy spent on that question. I put the smiley face at the end to clarify it's joke (didn't work). Actually, I think it utterly impossible/unbelievable that "many" applicants would consider turning down the at this stage (especially ones on this board, involved in commenting a lot, etc.).
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Post by bendy on Aug 9, 2015 14:38:56 GMT -5
This is my first time posting, so take it easy on me.... I have been reading all the helpful posts on this board, without which I would be in the dark. I am an outsider. Thank you for shining light on this whole process!!! I am confused about the salary and concerned since people are saying the salary is not negotiable. In light of the fact that IF I actually get an offer, I have to decide in 24 hours, and some say it should be an immediate answer, I want to better understand, just in case... The job announcement for the ALJ position said the salary range starts at $118,612. However, the notification to ALJ candidate from last month says the entrance base pay is $105,900 plus locaility pay. That's a big difference to me. Why/how did it go down, or am I just misunderstanding? Thanks in advance for your help.
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Post by gary on Aug 9, 2015 14:54:23 GMT -5
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Post by bendy on Aug 9, 2015 15:03:24 GMT -5
Ahhh, I think I get it now. My cities are not specified on the list, so I'm under Rest of U.S. at $120,895. Thank you!
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Post by gary on Aug 9, 2015 15:24:51 GMT -5
You're welcome.
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Post by willsdad on Aug 9, 2015 15:35:14 GMT -5
Gary, maybe you can help me understand the chart you linked to. One of my GAL cities is Valpo. That's not Chicago, Naperville, or Michigan City, but it's a few miles away. Would Valpo fall into that area, or Rest of U.S.?
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Post by gary on Aug 9, 2015 15:44:10 GMT -5
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Post by willsdad on Aug 9, 2015 15:51:06 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the info, Gary!
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Post by gary on Aug 9, 2015 16:09:07 GMT -5
You are welcome.
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Post by bartleby on Aug 10, 2015 7:43:24 GMT -5
In case anyone wants to know, Toledo is in the lowest pay rate and begins with the $118,612.00 salary..
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Post by gary on Aug 10, 2015 8:01:40 GMT -5
Is that current Bart? If so, Toledo's pay rate is below the lowest rate shown for "Rest of U.S." in the 2015 pay table linked above. (It would be equal to the lowest rate in the 2013 pay table.)
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Post by beenlurking on Aug 10, 2015 8:19:07 GMT -5
Is that current Bart? If so, Toledo's pay rate is below the lowest rate shown for "Rest of U.S." in the 2015 pay table linked above. (It would be equal to the lowest rate in the 2013 pay table.) I think Bart may be wrong. I'm pretty sure it's "rest of U.S."
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Post by bartleby on Aug 10, 2015 10:13:07 GMT -5
When I was there we got no locality pay even though Detroit, Cleveland, Akron, and Columbus did. I am pretty sure that hasn't changed. Just looked at a new pay rate schedule and it does look like Toledo should be 120,895.00 at this time. Damn, I am getting so prehistoric...
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Post by gary on Aug 10, 2015 10:41:17 GMT -5
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