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Post by 71stretch on May 18, 2016 10:56:49 GMT -5
Though I cannot see how it can possibly be accurate given my experience and licensure, I am sitting with the kiss of death of a "See Details Tab" status. If that holds true and I do not make the cut for the minimum qualifications (again unfathomable to me how that could be OPM's conclusion), do you ever get an indication of what the deficiency was or is it just an email indicating that you are rated ineligible? Yes, you get an email, with at least some indication of what was found deficient. |
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Post by sealaw90 on May 18, 2016 11:01:06 GMT -5
Though I cannot see how it can possibly be accurate given my experience and licensure, I am sitting with the kiss of death of a "See Details Tab" status. If that holds true and I do not make the cut for the minimum qualifications (again unfathomable to me how that could be OPM's conclusion), do you ever get an indication of what the deficiency was or is it just an email indicating that you are rated ineligible? jbr, Not knowing your exact situation, I will assume you recently applied (March/April 2016). If you do not make the cut to go on to the online testing portion, you will be given a notice of appeal.
That is your opportunity to 'right the wrong' that OPM perceived in your application. Unfortunately, from what others have stated in the past, you do not always get to know why they rejected you, but sometimes your rejection notice/appeal rights email will say "you did not have the requisite seven years of experience required", or something like that.
There is no rating at this point, you haven't been tested to receive any rating.
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Post by bayou on May 18, 2016 11:06:56 GMT -5
Having dealt with the hiring process in the Federal government, you should never assume that the HR personnel will understand anything you write and always ensure you include the "key words" in what you submit to them. It is almost like dealing with a one year old that is learning to match colored blocks. They don't know what the term means, so if you describe it in a way that doesn't use the same language, there is a good chance they will miss it. Not always, as some HR persons will have been doing this long enough to learn but since you never know if your app will be reviewed by somebody with experience in legal terminology, don't take a chance. If they ask for red block, give them a red block and NAME it "red block". Don't expect them to recognize a red block without a name.
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Post by sealaw90 on May 18, 2016 11:10:46 GMT -5
I like your analogy bayou. You must not be hungry since you didn't equate this to food . . . oh wait, that's Funky's trademarked analogy...
You can take toddler toy analogies - I don't think anyone has trademarked that.
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Post by jbrky on May 18, 2016 11:12:32 GMT -5
Though I cannot see how it can possibly be accurate given my experience and licensure, I am sitting with the kiss of death of a "See Details Tab" status. If that holds true and I do not make the cut for the minimum qualifications (again unfathomable to me how that could be OPM's conclusion), do you ever get an indication of what the deficiency was or is it just an email indicating that you are rated ineligible? jbr, Not knowing your exact situation, I will assume you recently applied (March/April 2016). If you do not make the cut to go on to the online testing portion, you will be given a notice of appeal.
That is your opportunity to 'right the wrong' that OPM perceived in your application. Unfortunately, from what others have stated in the past, you do not always get to know why they rejected you, but sometimes your rejection notice/appeal rights email will say "you did not have the requisite seven years of experience required", or something like that.
There is no rating at this point, you haven't been tested to receive any rating.
Thanks to each of you for the response. Bar number and admission date for both jurisdictions was included. What I felt to be an exhaustively detailed description of my litigation experience (domestic practitioner, in court daily usually multiple times per day, settlement negotiations, mediations, drafting pleadings, appellate briefs, etc) with a clear listing of dates for each activity going right down the list of qualifying litigation experience. I just don't get it. Sorry for the rant and thanks to all for the responses. This board has provided a great deal of valuable information for folks unfamiliar with the process. |
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Post by funkyodar on May 18, 2016 11:13:52 GMT -5
yeah. I would have went with cookies.
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Post by funkyodar on May 18, 2016 11:16:15 GMT -5
jbr, Not knowing your exact situation, I will assume you recently applied (March/April 2016). If you do not make the cut to go on to the online testing portion, you will be given a notice of appeal.
That is your opportunity to 'right the wrong' that OPM perceived in your application. Unfortunately, from what others have stated in the past, you do not always get to know why they rejected you, but sometimes your rejection notice/appeal rights email will say "you did not have the requisite seven years of experience required", or something like that.
There is no rating at this point, you haven't been tested to receive any rating.
Thanks to each of you for the response. Bar number and admission date for both jurisdictions was included. What I felt to be an exhaustively detailed description of my litigation experience (domestic practitioner, in court daily usually multiple times per day, settlement negotiations, mediations, drafting pleadings, appellate briefs, etc) with a clear listing of dates for each activity going right down the list of qualifying litigation experience. I just don't get it. Sorry for the rant and thanks to all for the responses. This board has provided a great deal of valuable information for folks unfamiliar with the process. Don't count yourself out just yet. "See Details" was the kiss of death in 2013...but OPM probably knows that was discovered as a tell and, just because they really like to screw with people's minds (like, really really like) they may have made it inconsequential now. |
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Post by jbrky on May 18, 2016 11:26:42 GMT -5
Thanks to each of you for the response. Bar number and admission date for both jurisdictions was included. What I felt to be an exhaustively detailed description of my litigation experience (domestic practitioner, in court daily usually multiple times per day, settlement negotiations, mediations, drafting pleadings, appellate briefs, etc) with a clear listing of dates for each activity going right down the list of qualifying litigation experience. I just don't get it. Sorry for the rant and thanks to all for the responses. This board has provided a great deal of valuable information for folks unfamiliar with the process. Don't count yourself out just yet. "See Details" was the kiss of death in 2013...but OPM probably knows that was discovered as a tell and, just because they really like to screw with people's minds (like, really really like) they may have made it inconsequential now. Thanks Funky. Hope you're right. If not, I guess I can just keep on wresting babes from their mother's arms in family court.  |
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Post by blinky on May 18, 2016 11:44:23 GMT -5
jbr, Not knowing your exact situation, I will assume you recently applied (March/April 2016). If you do not make the cut to go on to the online testing portion, you will be given a notice of appeal.
That is your opportunity to 'right the wrong' that OPM perceived in your application. Unfortunately, from what others have stated in the past, you do not always get to know why they rejected you, but sometimes your rejection notice/appeal rights email will say "you did not have the requisite seven years of experience required", or something like that.
There is no rating at this point, you haven't been tested to receive any rating.
Thanks to each of you for the response. Bar number and admission date for both jurisdictions was included. What I felt to be an exhaustively detailed description of my litigation experience (domestic practitioner, in court daily usually multiple times per day, settlement negotiations, mediations, drafting pleadings, appellate briefs, etc) with a clear listing of dates for each activity going right down the list of qualifying litigation experience. I just don't get it. Sorry for the rant and thanks to all for the responses. This board has provided a great deal of valuable information for folks unfamiliar with the process. How many years of qualifying experience do you have? I'm wondering if I adequately described my years of litigation experience. Still pending. |
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Post by jbrky on May 18, 2016 12:25:59 GMT -5
Blinky - 7 years and 10 months since first licensed. In court from day one. Don't be alarmed by anything happening to me or anyone else. If you're still pending, I'm sure it will be fine. The best advice (which is understandably impossible to follow) is to try not to stress about it. Our worrying doesn't change the outcome. It only makes the process more stressful. Stay positive and keep advancing.
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Post by Gaidin on May 18, 2016 12:51:31 GMT -5
Also sometimes they put you in a category and then realize their error and put you in another.
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Post by Lawesome on May 18, 2016 13:02:31 GMT -5
A friend who applied worried over the fact that certain types of uncontested cases (including Domestic Relations cases) were not qualifying. As we all know, many of these cases are contested and therefore require work that would definitely be qualifying.
I wonder how confusing this area is for a non attorney. If you labeled yourself as a domestic practitioner, I wonder whether they'd assume it was non qualifying because the application used noncontested domestic relations cases as an example of non qualifying experience. Obviously, an attorney or someone familiar with the type of practice would know better.
Just thinking "out loud" and trying to add logic to a not so logical system.
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Post by blinky on May 18, 2016 13:04:53 GMT -5
Blinky - 7 years and 10 months since first licensed. In court from day one. Don't be alarmed by anything happening to me or anyone else. If you're still pending, I'm sure it will be fine. The best advice (which is understandably impossible to follow) is to try not to stress about it. Our worrying doesn't change the outcome. It only makes the process more stressful. Stay positive and keep advancing. Actually, I have about 7.5 years of licensed litigation and I wouldn't really be surprised if I didn't make it past the first round. In hindsight, I could have easily confused HR on some small part of that experience. But I refuse to go back and review my application for any real or imagined deficiencies. What's done is done. |
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Post by noone on May 18, 2016 13:14:21 GMT -5
I have 15 years of experience in litigation. My status is still pending. My experience involves commercial litigation, personal injury, medical malpractice, criminal, and social security representation.
Good luck to the ones who move to the next level.
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Post by lucy on May 18, 2016 13:25:06 GMT -5
My status has finally changed to "Awaiting results - you will be notified". Glad to see some progress. Of course, it remains to be seen if it's actually forward progress....time to wait some more
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Post by jbrky on May 18, 2016 13:51:15 GMT -5
A friend who applied worried over the fact that certain types of uncontested cases (including Domestic Relations cases) were not qualifying. As we all know, many of these cases are contested and therefore require work that would definitely be qualifying. I wonder how confusing this area is for a non attorney. If you labeled yourself as a domestic practitioner, I wonder whether they'd assume it was non qualifying because the application used noncontested domestic relations cases as an example of non qualifying experience. Obviously, an attorney or someone familiar with the type of practice would know better. Just thinking "out loud" and trying to add logic to a not so logical system. It is what it is. Even uncontested cases involve settlement negotiation which is, properly, listed as a litigation skill. There's nothing for it but to wait and see. This process is opaque enough even with all you can learn on the board. I can't imagine what it would be like trying to navigate without it.
At this point, I sort of feel as though I've hijacked this thread and that certainly wasn't my intent. Just cathartic for me and hopefully by posting something that looks like bad news, give someone else who may be in the same situation some answers to questions that they may not want to ask because they would have to admit that it looks like they maybe haven't made the first cut. So chin up fellow "see details" applicants. Though I suspect strongly that they are just being kind, Funky and Gaidan say we aren't out till we are out and those two know a lot more about this than the rest of us. This board really is a fantastic resource and I appreciate everyone who posted for shedding a little light on the process.
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Post by gino on May 18, 2016 13:56:50 GMT -5
I decided I wasn't going to post until I had some positive indication. My status just changed to Awaiting Results. I have been doing civil litigation and trial work with administrative hearings along the way consistently since 1989. Had it not been for the board I would not have used the key words to describe what I had been doing - so thank you all.
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Post by gary on May 18, 2016 14:30:39 GMT -5
Yikes, my Status just changed to "Awaiting Results- you will be notified." Any insight from you "old hands" on what that might mean? It's better than "See details," as explained above. It might possibly mean you have cleared the minimum qualifications hurdle, but don't bet anything of value on that. If you cleared the minimum qualifications hurdle, you will (sooner or later) receive an email with a time-sensitive link for taking the online portion of the testing. Watch your email, your spam folder, this Board, and OPM's notices to ALJ applicants, to make sure you don't miss it. |
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Post by Addison on May 18, 2016 14:53:53 GMT -5
So my status changed from this morning...I'm now in the "Awaiting Results" club. |
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Post by Addison on May 18, 2016 14:57:16 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing maine! |
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