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Post by hopefulop on May 18, 2016 15:23:21 GMT -5
Yikes, my Status just changed to "Awaiting Results- you will be notified." Any insight from you "old hands" on what that might mean? It's better than "See details," as explained above. It might possibly mean you have cleared the minimum qualifications hurdle, but don't bet anything of value on that. If you cleared the minimum qualifications hurdle, you will (sooner or later) receive an email with a time-sensitive link for taking the online portion of the testing. Watch your email, your spam folder, this Board, and OPM's notices to ALJ applicants, to make sure you don't miss it. Heed Gary's advice and check everywhere. I just realized in the "messages" section on the Application Manager it shows an email that was sent to me advising of an additional site that I could add if I wanted to. I never received that email --not in spam either. And, I hadn't been checking that part of the screen (apparently a big mistake) -- had regularly checked under Assessments and Application Processing Status and my email and spam. Don't know what happened but would hate to miss something. Thankfully I did not care to add this site so no harm no foul on this mistake |
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Post by ladybug on May 18, 2016 15:50:00 GMT -5
First time poster. Just wanted to add that mine has changed to AR. Looks like they are really making some progress. I submitted in the wee morning hours of 4/8. I'm currently an SAA.
Question for those in the know - at what point does experience come into consideration? Is it just the SSA interviews? I've seen comments about how there are applicants with 20+ years of experience, so if you have close to the minimum, you better have something else special.
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Post by ladybug on May 18, 2016 15:54:05 GMT -5
I also wanted to say thanks to those that facilitate the board and post such useful information.
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Post by funkyodar on May 18, 2016 15:58:38 GMT -5
First time poster. Just wanted to add that mine has changed to AR. Looks like they are really making some progress. I submitted in the wee morning hours of 4/8. I'm currently an SAA. Question for those in the know - at what point does experience come into consideration? Is it just the SSA interviews? I've seen comments about how there are applicants with 20+ years of experience, so if you have close to the minimum, you better have something else special. Experience comes in at multiple spots. Of course, you have to prove "qualifying experience" at step 1. Part of step 2 is an 'Experience Assessment" that is largely concerned with litigation. Then, "experience" will be the topic of your OPM Structured Interview (that's all I will say about that).
And, of course, the SSA interview will be to see if you have experience indicative of someone that fits the agency. And the "experience" ssa wants is not necessarily what OPM seems to put such emphasis on.
Welcome to the board. Settle in for the long slog. Good luck.
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Post by Pixie on May 18, 2016 16:07:55 GMT -5
Now that was a good job in using the search function. You get two marks for that. It was nice of Gunner to leave that bit of information in the time capsule. He was knocked out at the WD, appealed and evidently was not successful. He may have reapplied, but we haven't heard anything from him in a couple of years so he may have given up on it. Pixie |
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Post by southernfun on May 18, 2016 16:32:16 GMT -5
Blinky - 7 years and 10 months since first licensed. In court from day one. Don't be alarmed by anything happening to me or anyone else. If you're still pending, I'm sure it will be fine. The best advice (which is understandably impossible to follow) is to try not to stress about it. Our worrying doesn't change the outcome. It only makes the process more stressful. Stay positive and keep advancing. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but its possible you don't have OPM's version of 7 years experience.
They create a percent of time on litigation for the position. Based on how you describe the position, your own estimate of the percent if you gave one, and some OPM voodoo they do.
so 7 years 10 months is 94 months you have been licensed. You need 84 months of litigation experience. So dividing 84/94 = 89.3%. If they rated your litigation time at 89% or less, you are going to get the "lack requisite experience" email...
I am rooting for you, still. Hope you got 90% or more.
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Post by ladybug on May 18, 2016 16:33:36 GMT -5
First time poster. Just wanted to add that mine has changed to AR. Looks like they are really making some progress. I submitted in the wee morning hours of 4/8. I'm currently an SAA. Question for those in the know - at what point does experience come into consideration? Is it just the SSA interviews? I've seen comments about how there are applicants with 20+ years of experience, so if you have close to the minimum, you better have something else special. Experience comes in at multiple spots. Of course, you have to prove "qualifying experience" at step 1. Part of step 2 is an 'Experience Assessment" that is largely concerned with litigation. Then, "experience" will be the topic of your OPM Structured Interview (that's all I will say about that).
And, of course, the SSA interview will be to see if you have experience indicative of someone that fits the agency. And the "experience" ssa wants is not necessarily what OPM seems to put such emphasis on.
Welcome to the board. Settle in for the long slog. Good luck.
Thank you for the response! In my haste to post, I had forgotten about the experience assessment at the next step. I suppose that will be a high hurdle for those of us with only agency experience. And I wasn't sure if I could even ask if experience was assessed at the structured interview stage. Onward and upward we go. |
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Post by funkyodar on May 18, 2016 16:38:51 GMT -5
Thank you for the response! In my haste to post, I had forgotten about the experience assessment at the next step. I suppose that will be a high hurdle for those of us with only agency experience. And I wasn't sure if I could even ask if experience was assessed at the structured interview stage. Onward and upward we go. It's a high hurdle, but not insurmountable. Good luck. |
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Post by gary on May 18, 2016 16:43:06 GMT -5
Experience comes in at multiple spots. Of course, you have to prove "qualifying experience" at step 1. Part of step 2 is an 'Experience Assessment" that is largely concerned with litigation. Then, "experience" will be the topic of your OPM Structured Interview (that's all I will say about that).
And, of course, the SSA interview will be to see if you have experience indicative of someone that fits the agency. And the "experience" ssa wants is not necessarily what OPM seems to put such emphasis on.
Welcome to the board. Settle in for the long slog. Good luck.
Thank you for the response! In my haste to post, I had forgotten about the experience assessment at the next step. I suppose that will be a high hurdle for those of us with only agency experience. And I wasn't sure if I could even ask if experience was assessed at the structured interview stage. Onward and upward we go. There is no minimum score needed on the EA. However, you need to be in the highest scoring subgroup of online testees to move on to DC, and your EA score will affect that. If you go to DC, again there is no minimum needed on the EA to make the register, though it will affect your final score. |
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Post by ladybug on May 18, 2016 19:27:51 GMT -5
Thank you, funky and Gary. I know I've read all this information in pieces and I certainly did not mean to veer off the subject of AM, so I appreciate your responses.
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Post by Lawesome on May 18, 2016 19:44:24 GMT -5
A friend who applied worried over the fact that certain types of uncontested cases (including Domestic Relations cases) were not qualifying. As we all know, many of these cases are contested and therefore require work that would definitely be qualifying. I wonder how confusing this area is for a non attorney. If you labeled yourself as a domestic practitioner, I wonder whether they'd assume it was non qualifying because the application used noncontested domestic relations cases as an example of non qualifying experience. Obviously, an attorney or someone familiar with the type of practice would know better. Just thinking "out loud" and trying to add logic to a not so logical system. It is what it is. Even uncontested cases involve settlement negotiation which is, properly, listed as a litigation skill. There's nothing for it but to wait and see. This process is opaque enough even with all you can learn on the board. I can't imagine what it would be like trying to navigate without it.
At this point, I sort of feel as though I've hijacked this thread and that certainly wasn't my intent. Just cathartic for me and hopefully by posting something that looks like bad news, give someone else who may be in the same situation some answers to questions that they may not want to ask because they would have to admit that it looks like they maybe haven't made the first cut. So chin up fellow "see details" applicants. Though I suspect strongly that they are just being kind, Funky and Gaidan say we aren't out till we are out and those two know a lot more about this than the rest of us. This board really is a fantastic resource and I appreciate everyone who posted for shedding a little light on the process.
I didn't mean to be negative about your situation- I just wish that if they were so particular about this initial hurdle, they would have attorneys review the narratives. I realize the cost would be huge. When applying, I was paranoid about the fact that I write "decisions" and the announcement used the word "opinions." I kept wondering whether a non attorney would spit me out over the word difference. You are right that it is what it is, but until the FOAD letter arrives you are still in the game.  |
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Post by onepingonly on May 18, 2016 20:47:58 GMT -5
As for this process being opaque even with the help of the forum, amen to that. I applied before I knew about this forum. I'm still amazed and grateful it worked out. A shout out to all the stars doing yeoman's work to make the process even partially comprehensible.
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Post by jbrky on May 18, 2016 21:54:56 GMT -5
SSASAA,
I know you weren't being negative. Just the opposite. There is a great deal that might be improved about this whole process, but if it were made less mysterious, what would have to fret over and post about? Seems like it's only a matter of time before the letter from OPM comes that reads "Thanks for your interest in becoming an ALJ. You're not qualified for that, but don't worry, the world needs ditch diggers too."
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Post by montyburns on May 18, 2016 22:08:51 GMT -5
"I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but its possible you don't have OPM's version of 7 years experience. They create a percent of time on litigation for the position. Based on how you describe the position, your own estimate of the percent if you gave one, and some OPM voodoo they do. so 7 years 10 months is 94 months you have been licensed. You need 70 months of litigation experience. So dividing 70/94 = 74.5%. If they rated your time at 74% or less, you are going to get the "lack requisite experience" email... I am rooting for you, still. Hope you got 75% or more." Seriously?  They have the time to be this granular? I have 27 years of qualifying experience. I would hate to think about how many months it took to get there. This has always mystified me. Like how many hours is 7 years of experience? Are they basing it on a 40 hour workweek? Is there any difference between someone who worked 20 hours a week for 10 years and someone who worked 80 hours a week for 10 years? What % of the time did you spend sleeping, or going to the bathroom - should I have discounted my bathroom breaks from my experience? What if I was going to the bathroom while I was in recess during a case? It's just very weird to assign a % to it. |
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Post by hopingforalj on May 19, 2016 7:38:58 GMT -5
Any Wags on when the AM might spit out an invitation, my Wag is Friday, just a Wag and only a Wag.
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Post by southernfun on May 19, 2016 8:09:54 GMT -5
Any Wags on when the AM might spit out an invitation, my Wag is Friday, just a Wag and only a Wag. I'm guessing Monday with an invite to 2 weeks window that starts Monday, May 30th. |
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Post by bayou on May 19, 2016 8:10:20 GMT -5
Given the flood of reports of status changes, I sense we are getting close. But this is the government and the government moves like a glacier; slowly covering ground an inch at a time and retreating at times for no apparent reason. |
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Post by blinky on May 19, 2016 8:23:37 GMT -5
Any Wags on when the AM might spit out an invitation, my Wag is Friday, just a Wag and only a Wag. That sounds a bit optimistic considering that there are many folks still pending HR. |
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Post by noone on May 19, 2016 8:56:53 GMT -5
I hope everyone is having a good day. My status has been changed to Awaiting Results.
Good Luck everyone.
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Post by faith on May 19, 2016 8:58:06 GMT -5
Hello, my first post! I completed app 4/8/16 at 4:30 a.m. My status changed a few minutes ago from Pending to Awaiting Results.... I did not receive an email about the status change. Good luck to all.
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They have the time to be this granular? I have 27 years of qualifying experience. I would hate to think about how many months it took to get there. 
