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Post by luckylady2 on Jun 20, 2016 23:42:34 GMT -5
burwell and vinny17 - Believe me, I understand your pain, but I think you are still viewing this through the lens of it being like your usual job application. In your usual job application, if you get an interview, it means that you are one of the top people under consideration, your chances of being hired are very good, and you often hear yay-or-nay within a short period of time. You are rightfully pumped and optimistic after delivering a great interview. In the ALJ application, you got an interview because SSA got your name for the first time. Getting the interview does NOT mean that you are among the top three on the cert list - in fact, if you just got your interview now, chances are that your name may be closer to the bottom than the top of the list. You are competing with people that interviewed a year or more ago. It all comes down to interactions among NOR scores, GALs, veterans preference rules, and arranging around some folks to get to the "highly recommends"; if the stars align right, your name MIGHT be one of the top three for consideration. And they still might want one of the other 2 first before you, even if they do want you eventually. They want to hire 250 a year for at least 2 more years, but they are going to do it in groups of 40-50, with offers going out one at a time, instead of offering to a group of 250. NOT your usual job application. I sat through 4 hires before my tiny GAL landed me on a cert in April of 15. I've been on 3 certs with my tiny GAL, and this is the first cert with my expanded GAL. I consider myself very lucky to have been hired, but this was my 4th time on a cert, and I've watched others get the call on 7 certs before this one. If you consider yourself to have been "passed over" just because they didn't pick you up on your very first cert, I think you're buying more pain out of this situation than you need to. This is a waiting game. The odds are extremely good that you will be hired, you just have to wait until the stars align and your turn comes up.
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Post by willsdad on Jun 21, 2016 9:13:46 GMT -5
LL2's points can't be emphasized enough. This is a very difficult and long process for the reasons she states. Candidates not only have to score in the top three for a location to have a chance at being hired, they must also overcome highly recommended candidates, even if they are highly recommended too. Sometimes that calculus works on your first cert, sometimes it works on your eighth.
This was the first cert for those recently added to the Register, so I think this round snatched up a lot of highly recommended first-certers at all scoring ranges. I think the simply recommendeds will have a better shot for the September hire.
We've all been in this process since March 2013. We just have to keep being adults, endure, and hope for the best, while not putting our lives on hold either.
And now, for the next cert.
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Post by christina on Jun 21, 2016 9:25:03 GMT -5
agreed but is above really true for insiders. i would think if an insider had a reachable score and wide GAL. and odar hopped over them, the odds are above 40 percent odar does not want that insider as a judge. it is case by case but i think most insiders know their own case well enough to know if they fall in this category.
perhaps the insider is recommended rather than non-recommended. that makes sense. other folks may bring great things to the table, but generally the insiders i know that had to wait a while, it was due to their score. once their score was reachable, they were picked up. don't have a wide sample for this but it's been my observation over the years.
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Post by Erik Breukink on Jun 21, 2016 9:37:32 GMT -5
A few months back someone (Gaidin I believe) posted the list of how many times a city was certed off the 2013 list and and the amount of actual hires for each city resulting from said certs. I ve put in a few searches but unsure how to really pull it up. If anyone has the thread i d much appreciate it- thx in advance, eb
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Post by tripper on Jun 21, 2016 9:40:42 GMT -5
I also think that references for insiders are a little more tricky than for outsiders. We have to list every manager we've ever had. Most of them will not have been attorneys and may very likely have a negative view of many writers. If a case is un-writable due to bad instructions or error of law, we are supposed to return it to management. Almost the only interaction writers have with management is when there are problems. If all is going great, we spend all day every day sequestered in our offices talking to no one. Difficult to grow relationships when any time not writing a case is seen as non-productive.
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Post by luckylady2 on Jun 21, 2016 10:41:31 GMT -5
And a PS - I watched the scores go below mine on every cert after the 1st one. Just because the general universe of all the scores for all of the locations goes below yours, it doesn't mean that the scores are anywhere near yours on your cities. Don't forget that you are one of approximately 30 or so people on the list for each of your locations and they are usually only going to hire one of you.
AND a declination by a higher scorer who has the same locations as you will block out one of those top threes slots across the board if you ARE in the top range. In this round, we beleive ( from the polls) that there were at least 7 declinations.
AND every quarter there's a handful of 10 pt vets who test in. Assuming they are a complete doppelgänger of you, they come in with a score 10 points higher than yours AND a hiring preference if they appear in the top three - in due recognition of service AND sacrifices made - but if you only have popular locations in your GAL you may find yourself waiting a while for your turn
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Post by Pixie on Jun 21, 2016 13:06:36 GMT -5
And a PS - I watched the scores go below mine on every cert after the 1st one. Just because the general universe of all the scores for all of the locations goes below yours, it doesn't mean that the scores are anywhere near yours on your cities. Don't forget that you are one of approximately 30 or so people on the list for each of your locations and they are usually only going to hire one of you. AND a declination by a higher scorer who has the same locations as you will block out one of those top threes slots across the board if you ARE in the top range. In this round, we beleive ( from the polls) that there were at least 7 declinations. AND every quarter there's a handful of 10 pt vets who test in. Assuming they are a complete doppelgänger of you, they come in with a score 10 points higher than yours AND a hiring preference if they appear in the top three - in due recognition of service AND sacrifices made - but if you only have popular locations in your GAL you may find yourself waiting a while for your turn Actually, LL2, there is competition for all of the locations, with about the same number of applicants for all cities. I did a thread on this a few weeks ago. So, just because a location is not perceived as popular, there is still a significant number of candidates willing to go to that location. Pixie.
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Post by sealaw90 on Jun 21, 2016 14:27:18 GMT -5
A few months back someone (Gaidin I believe) posted the list of how many times a city was certed off the 2013 list and and the amount of actual hires for each city resulting from said certs. I ve put in a few searches but unsure how to really pull it up. If anyone has the thread i d much appreciate it- thx in advance, eb I am the "keeper" of this list. I have updated it since 2014, but I've only posted snippets since then. I have yet to update the list for the most recent set of cities (June/July 2016). Perhaps I will do that while we are waiting for the September cert!
Cities on a cert, 2007 - 2014
Enjoy!
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Post by Erik Breukink on Jun 21, 2016 14:54:22 GMT -5
A few months back someone (Gaidin I believe) posted the list of how many times a city was certed off the 2013 list and and the amount of actual hires for each city resulting from said certs. I ve put in a few searches but unsure how to really pull it up. If anyone has the thread i d much appreciate it- thx in advance, eb I am the "keeper" of this list. I have updated it since 2014, but I've only posted snippets since then. I have yet to update the list for the most recent set of cities (June/July 2016). Perhaps I will do that while we are waiting for the September cert!
Cities on a cert, 2007 - 2014
Enjoy! [ Awesome- thx!
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Post by bayou on Jun 21, 2016 14:54:38 GMT -5
And a PS - I watched the scores go below mine on every cert after the 1st one. Just because the general universe of all the scores for all of the locations goes below yours, it doesn't mean that the scores are anywhere near yours on your cities. Don't forget that you are one of approximately 30 or so people on the list for each of your locations and they are usually only going to hire one of you. AND a declination by a higher scorer who has the same locations as you will block out one of those top threes slots across the board if you ARE in the top range. In this round, we beleive ( from the polls) that there were at least 7 declinations. AND every quarter there's a handful of 10 pt vets who test in. Assuming they are a complete doppelgänger of you, they come in with a score 10 points higher than yours AND a hiring preference if they appear in the top three - in due recognition of service AND sacrifices made - but if you only have popular locations in your GAL you may find yourself waiting a while for your turn Actually, LL2, there is competition for all of the locations, with about the same number of applicants for all cities. I did a thread on this a few weeks ago. So, just because a location is not perceived as popular, there is still a significant number of candidates willing to go to that location. Pixie. I don't even understand what "popular" location is. Everybody has a different perspective of what is a desired location and thus, as indicated in the thread to which Pixie refers, there is a broad applicant pool for every location.
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Post by outlander on Jun 21, 2016 15:02:26 GMT -5
just when I thought I had a fair understanding about how selections were made from the city certs, I learn a new wrinkle. Can someone explain the impact of declinations vis a vis other persons on a certificate? I thought if one person declined, an offer could be made to someone else in the top 3 of the list.
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Post by gary on Jun 21, 2016 15:27:38 GMT -5
just when I thought I had a fair understanding about how selections were made from the city certs, I learn a new wrinkle. Can someone explain the impact of declinations vis a vis other persons on a certificate? I thought if one person declined, an offer could be made to someone else in the top 3 of the list. If someone declines a job offer the agency can make a new selection, but from a new top three. For example, the top 3 for a position in City 1 are A, B, and C. The agency offers the position to B. B declines. The agency then considers A, C, and D (the 4th score for the location). The agency can offer the position to any one of the three. Let's say it offers it to C. C accepts. As a result of all this A and D each receive only one consideration. B has declined one job offer. If B declines another, B will be suspended from the register for a year. B's declination can potentially have ripple effects in other locations. Let's say B, E, F, and G are the top 4 for a position in City 2. If B was hired for the position in City 1, the agency could consider a top 3 consisting of E, F, and G and hire G. By declining the position in City 1, B causes the top 3 for the position in City 2 to be B, E, and F, and makes it impossible to hire G for this position as the second hire. Similarly, if the agency goes to a position in City 3 a top 3 of C, H, and I may no longer be available to consider if the agency hired C for City 1. Each of the changes in the planned hiring down the line potentially ripples out to affect other locations.
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Post by beenlurking on Jun 21, 2016 15:31:43 GMT -5
just when I thought I had a fair understanding about how selections were made from the city certs, I learn a new wrinkle. Can someone explain the impact of declinations vis a vis other persons on a certificate? I thought if one person declined, an offer could be made to someone else in the top 3 of the list. If someone declines a job offer the agency can make a new selection, but from a new top three. For example, the top 3 for a position in City 1 are A, B, and C. The agency offers the position to B. B declines. The agency then considers A, C, and D (the 4th score for the location). The agency can offer the position to any one of the three. Let's say it offers it to C. C accepts. As a result of all this A and D each receive only one consideration. B has declined one job offer. If B declines another, B will be suspended from the register for a year. B's declination can potentially have ripple effects in other locations. Let's say B, E, F, and G are the top 4 for a position in City 2. If B was hired for the position in City 1, the agency could consider a top 3 consisting of E, F, and G and hire G. By declining the position in City 1, B causes the top 3 for the position in City 2 to be B, E, and F, and makes it impossible to hire G for this position as the second hire. Similarly, if the agency goes to a position in City 3 a top 3 of C, H, and I may no longer be available to consider if the agency hired C for City 1. Each of the changes in the planned hiring down the line potentially ripples out to affect other locations. Aha! Now I fully understand why we had to take the LBMT....So, we could fully understand why we were not selected! Brilliant!!
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Post by jagvet on Jun 21, 2016 16:07:53 GMT -5
Hey, folks. This is the "Got-call?" thread, so I want to see people posting that they got calls!!!!!!
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Post by sealaw90 on Jun 21, 2016 16:08:21 GMT -5
Actually, LL2, there is competition for all of the locations, with about the same number of applicants for all cities. I did a thread on this a few weeks ago. So, just because a location is not perceived as popular, there is still a significant number of candidates willing to go to that location. Pixie. I don't even understand what "popular" location is. Everybody has a different perspective of what is a desired location and thus, as indicated in the thread to which Pixie refers, there is a broad applicant pool for every location.
So are you trying to say that the term "Crapland" will no longer be used by the 2016 testers?
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Post by Ready-Now! on Jun 21, 2016 16:25:30 GMT -5
No calls today? None?
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Post by christina on Jun 21, 2016 16:31:54 GMT -5
none that were recorded on here. ?
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Post by Ready-Now! on Jun 21, 2016 16:32:47 GMT -5
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Post by christina on Jun 21, 2016 16:41:12 GMT -5
as far as we know, no calls. if any calls were made, they were to non-board members.
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Post by bayou on Jun 21, 2016 17:30:26 GMT -5
I don't even understand what "popular" location is. Everybody has a different perspective of what is a desired location and thus, as indicated in the thread to which Pixie refers, there is a broad applicant pool for every location.
So are you trying to say that the term "Crapland" will no longer be used by the 2016 testers?
No, just that "Crapland" means different locations to different applicants. Some will swear NY is Crapland and some will say Tupelo is Crapland. It all evens out so that all locations have somewhat equal number of persons willing to start tomorrow at that location. Sorry Gary, I don't know how to create the little TM. But I did use Tupelo to ensure that Funky will quote this and ensure you receive any additional royalty.
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