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Post by marten77 on Jun 21, 2016 13:57:32 GMT -5
Realizing there will variation, what amount of time should I estimate it will take to complete the Experience Assessment? I know this isn't an answer you would hope for, but really: it depends on what your experience was. I think I dropped an hour or so on it and I already had stuff typed up and ready to go for it. Just remember that it is untimed. Set aside a few hours on a separate day from the other two parts of the test and hit it then. Should be good to go with that.
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Post by Rose on Jun 21, 2016 13:58:51 GMT -5
Realizing there will variation, what amount of time should I estimate it will take to complete the Experience Assessment? The Experience Assessment part is untimed. If your test will be different from mine, then what I am about to say is useless. My Experience Assessment was not what I expected in terms of time and question(s).
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Post by Rose on Jun 21, 2016 14:08:03 GMT -5
Realizing there will variation, what amount of time should I estimate it will take to complete the Experience Assessment? I know this isn't an answer you would hope for, but really: it depends on what your experience was. I think I dropped an hour or so on it and I already had stuff typed up and ready to go for it. Just remember that it is untimed. Set aside a few hours on a separate day from the other two parts of the test and hit it then. Should be good to go with that. Marten77, are you 77 years old? LOL. Are you referring to your 2013 test or this recent 2016 test's EA part?
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Post by sophie22 on Jun 21, 2016 14:14:10 GMT -5
Anyone have an educated guess on how OPM weighs the scores from the 3 components? For instance, does it seem like in the past, those with less than 10 years experience got cut after round 2, meaning that perhaps the experience assessment is more important than the other tests? Or were those with 20 years experience cut after round 2, meaning that perhaps experience is weighed less? Just wondering if there are any guesses out there??? nobody knows. There is no way of knowing. Guesses are not useful. Just take the darn test and do your best. We'll have much more to talk about when we know whether or not we're going to DC. Sorry if I seem a little impatient with the newbies, but you guys are obsessing about things to an unhealthy and astonishing degree. In defense of newbies everywhere, I would like to point out that the threads/polls from 2013, indicate that the old heads used to obsess about this stuff too!! LOL!!! (I use old head as a term of endearment!!)
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Post by lawbird on Jun 21, 2016 14:18:31 GMT -5
nobody knows. There is no way of knowing. Guesses are not useful. Just take the darn test and do your best. We'll have much more to talk about when we know whether or not we're going to DC. Sorry if I seem a little impatient with the newbies, but you guys are obsessing about things to an unhealthy and astonishing degree. In defense of newbies everywhere, I would like to point out that the threads/polls from 2013, indicate that the old heads used to obsess about this stuff too!! LOL!!! (I use old head as a term of endearment!!) thats exactly why you guys should read all the threads from 2013. There were no answers then which is why there are no answers now to the same questions being asked. I love newbies; I was one in 2013, though I didn't ask any questions. I read everything everyone else was saying voraciously though. This board was an incredible resource and source of comfort.
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 21, 2016 14:22:52 GMT -5
I don't think it hurts anything to obsess over lots of this stuff. There is an exception but I shall not name it.
I do think it is entirely to easy to over think the SJT. I recommend focusing more on reading the job posting and the description of what they are looking for in an ALJ than the two sample questions they give you.
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Post by marten77 on Jun 21, 2016 14:31:09 GMT -5
I know this isn't an answer you would hope for, but really: it depends on what your experience was. I think I dropped an hour or so on it and I already had stuff typed up and ready to go for it. Just remember that it is untimed. Set aside a few hours on a separate day from the other two parts of the test and hit it then. Should be good to go with that. Marten77, are you 77 years old? LOL. Are you referring to your 2013 test or this recent 2016 test's EA part? There are many a day when I feel 77, but it is not my age. As for my reference in the post, it is to the 2016 EA. I couldn't say how long I spent on my EA in 2013. That was long ago, far away and filed somewhere under repressed memories, much like my Contracts class.
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Post by chudley on Jun 21, 2016 14:36:24 GMT -5
Is there agreement that the clock stops if you exit the writing sample to come back later (but your answer won't be saved)? yes. That's correct!!!! Thanks! Seems an easy way to gather your thoughts off the clock before you start typing...
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Post by bayou on Jun 21, 2016 14:45:49 GMT -5
Anyone have an educated guess on how OPM weighs the scores from the 3 components? For instance, does it seem like in the past, those with less than 10 years experience got cut after round 2, meaning that perhaps the experience assessment is more important than the other tests? Or were those with 20 years experience cut after round 2, meaning that perhaps experience is weighed less? Just wondering if there are any guesses out there??? Here is a thread discussing scoring at a later stage so not directly on point but is relevant, perhaps. For your score for the register, it is not just adding up your scores for each component. Rather, you are scored on multiple competencies across each of the components and then OPM uses some voodoo to determine your score. How they use the OC scores to determine who proceeds to DC is a guess on my part. aljdiscussion.proboards.com/thread/2486/message-opm-grading
Be warned, unless you are a math geek, this is a dense thread. Personally, I like owl's theory.
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Post by lawbird on Jun 21, 2016 15:07:20 GMT -5
Thanks! Seems an easy way to gather your thoughts off the clock before you start typing... This seems to me to be circumventing the intent of the question, which is to see how well you can compose an answer and write in 35 minutes. If you pull up the question, look at it, go out of the test to think about it, then come back in, I think that may not be ethical. What do others think about this?
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Post by Milliron on Jun 21, 2016 15:21:18 GMT -5
Well, that's done. I knocked it all out at once while locked in my office. I could second guess myself to death on this, but I think I'll pass on that. I liked my essay, for whatever that's worth. I'd sweat it, but it really depends on how everyone else does, so the hell with it for now.
I looked through the 2013 thread, but didn't get a handle on how long it took before you found out your results. I'm guessing last time a couple of months, with the WD and LBT taking place sometime in October, give or take?
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Post by Rose on Jun 21, 2016 15:37:59 GMT -5
Thanks! Seems an easy way to gather your thoughts off the clock before you start typing... This seems to me to be circumventing the intent of the question, which is to see how well you can compose an answer and write in 35 minutes. If you pull up the question, look at it, go out of the test to think about it, then come back in, I think that may not be ethical. What do others think about this? I didn't think of it when I took the test, but it's a good idea. I believe it think it might be unethical, but nothing illegal. The testers should have thought of this "loophole", but then again, they may have a way to detect people doing just that. If it feels wrong, don't do it. That's my take.
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 21, 2016 15:46:48 GMT -5
Anyone have an educated guess on how OPM weighs the scores from the 3 components? For instance, does it seem like in the past, those with less than 10 years experience got cut after round 2, meaning that perhaps the experience assessment is more important than the other tests? Or were those with 20 years experience cut after round 2, meaning that perhaps experience is weighed less? Just wondering if there are any guesses out there??? Here is a thread discussing scoring at a later stage so not directly on point but is relevant, perhaps. For your score for the register, it is not just adding up your scores for each component. Rather, you are scored on multiple competencies across each of the components and then OPM uses some voodoo to determine your score. How they use the OC scores to determine who proceeds to DC is a guess on my part. aljdiscussion.proboards.com/thread/2486/message-opm-grading
Be warned, unless you are a math geek, this is a dense thread. Personally, I like owl's theory. Man that thread was good times. Lots of clunky math being done by lawyers all trying to parse meaning from an obscure email from OPM. You won't get analysis like that anywhere else.
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Post by Gaidin on Jun 21, 2016 15:48:13 GMT -5
This seems to me to be circumventing the intent of the question, which is to see how well you can compose an answer and write in 35 minutes. If you pull up the question, look at it, go out of the test to think about it, then come back in, I think that may not be ethical. What do others think about this? I didn't think of it when I took the test, but it's a good idea. I believe it think it might be unethical, but nothing illegal. The testers should have thought of this "loophole", but then again, they may have a way to detect people doing just that. If it feels wrong, don't do it. That's my take. If they don't tell you that you can't do it, and I don't remember from 3 years ago, then you can do it. Its not a bug its a feature.
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Post by chudley on Jun 21, 2016 18:41:15 GMT -5
I didn't think of it when I took the test, but it's a good idea. I believe it think it might be unethical, but nothing illegal. The testers should have thought of this "loophole", but then again, they may have a way to detect people doing just that. If it feels wrong, don't do it. That's my take. If they don't tell you that you can't do it, and I don't remember from 3 years ago, then you can do it. Its not a bug its a feature. The instructions indicate that this is allowed. It is hardly unethical to read and follow the instructions.. My question is more out of surprise they allow it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 20:45:10 GMT -5
Phase Two, complete! See y'all on the other side.
(Not the "See Details" side, I hope.)
Edit Note by Pixie: Careful, treading on dangerous ground. Getting close to that which may not be named outside of its dedicated thread. Pixie.
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Post by 2rvrrun on Jun 21, 2016 22:16:06 GMT -5
Guys, the SJT isn't supposed to be hard. It's been suggested that it was put together by psychologists of some ilk or another and, in fact, is more a personality test than anything else. The questions are arranged so pretty much every answer is right to some degree. The object is to choose the one you, personally, would most likely do and/or would least likely do. So...sure you can game the system. You can try to read into the question or answers and guess what the "right" or "wanted" answer is. But that isn't the purpose. The purpose is for you to say what you would actually do. That should be easy. Now, you say, "but Funkster, I want them to rate me high and what I might actually do may not be what they want me to say I will do." "Well," Dr. Funkinheimer says in response, "they are looking for people that will make good judges. So, say you lie and get through and land the job. Are you intending to continue to go against your natural instincts and personality for the rest of you career?" "No!" says You, "Once I am a judge I will do what I really want and no one can stop me!" "Nice evil laugh" says Funkenstein "Why thank you" says You. "You know that wont work," says Funklicious "Who are you kidding?" asks You, "I've heard of the judge that crapped himself in the hall, kicked it under the copier and kept walking. If he can William Shatner the copier and not get fired, I can do whatever I want!" "Touche," meekly responds Sir Funkalot, "Proceed as you wish." The value of your humor--priceless, just priceless.
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Post by 2rvrrun on Jun 21, 2016 22:19:35 GMT -5
nobody knows. There is no way of knowing. Guesses are not useful. Just take the darn test and do your best. We'll have much more to talk about when we know whether or not we're going to DC. Sorry if I seem a little impatient with the newbies, but you guys are obsessing about things to an unhealthy and astonishing degree. In defense of newbies everywhere, I would like to point out that the threads/polls from 2013, indicate that the old heads used to obsess about this stuff too!! LOL!!! (I use old head as a term of endearment!!) I believe "old-head" is a railroad term.
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Post by lawbird on Jun 22, 2016 0:32:05 GMT -5
In defense of newbies everywhere, I would like to point out that the threads/polls from 2013, indicate that the old heads used to obsess about this stuff too!! LOL!!! (I use old head as a term of endearment!!) I believe "old-head" is a railroad term. Perhaps that makes it slightly less objectionable than "geezer."
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Post by kylearan on Jun 22, 2016 2:15:38 GMT -5
"ancient wonder"
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