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Post by workdrone on Jul 27, 2021 17:11:07 GMT -5
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Post by hopefalj on Jul 27, 2021 17:30:30 GMT -5
“…or be required to submit to regular testing and mitigation requirements, according to a source with direct knowledge of the matter.”
So I guess there are options for those opposed to it or unable to get vaccinated, but I suppose we’ll find out in a couple of days. I wonder what percentage of federal employees refuse to get vaccinated. Not trying to start any sort of debate on the issue, but I would guess it’s a lower percentage than the general population. I’ve heard there are a few in my office, but I don’t know who they are.
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Post by moxie7 on Jul 27, 2021 17:40:28 GMT -5
I would anticipate a lot of liars. Seems like a hollow mandate. But, we’ll have to wait and see.
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Post by pumpkin on Jul 27, 2021 17:45:06 GMT -5
While it seems completely backward in some respects, if they wanted to mandate employee vaccination they could make it a requirement for continued telework.
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Post by nylawyer on Jul 27, 2021 18:19:42 GMT -5
I'll be curious to see if the unions fight this at all.
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Post by pumpkin on Jul 27, 2021 19:52:40 GMT -5
While it seems completely backward in some respects, if they wanted to mandate employee vaccination they could make it a requirement for continued telework. There’s no reasonable nexus between the vaccination business need and telework… Aw, c’mon - it’s at least as reasonable a nexus as the relationship between scheduling 50 hearings/month and telework. |
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Post by roymcavoy on Jul 27, 2021 20:52:10 GMT -5
Ask service members how much choice they got.
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Post by nappyloxs on Jul 27, 2021 23:01:46 GMT -5
This should have been required since vaccine rollout for all companies. Either A) get vaccine or 2) weekly tests. Granted, teleworking may be granted exception, but once offices reopened and people were called back, it should have been either A or B. Many local, state, and federal gov’t offices have been re-opened in my area, although just 2-3 days in office. Plus, many businesses have employees returning to work. So plenty of exposure in buildings.
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Post by roymcavoy on Jul 27, 2021 23:32:48 GMT -5
This should have been required since vaccine rollout for all companies. Either A) get vaccine or 2) weekly tests. Granted, teleworking may be granted exception, but once offices reopened and people were called back, it should have been either A or B. Many local, state, and federal gov’t offices have been re-opened in my area, although just 2-3 days in office. Plus, many businesses have employees returning to work. So plenty of exposure in buildings. maybe you guys/gals are all a lot younger/older than me. When I was accepted to state college in 199x, I was still below 18, so upon making 18, I had to go to local health department and get my final MMR vaccine booster and then mail those results to state college. They were pretty clear: no booster, no admittance. Not sure what has changed other than CV is waaaay more deadly than any of the firm known as MMR. So it’s a no brainer that entities have required vaccines and proof thereof before... So why not now? Arrive at your own conclusions on that. |
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Post by arkstfan on Jul 27, 2021 23:53:28 GMT -5
I'll be curious to see if the unions fight this at all. I suspect they will vehemently, especially AFGE. |
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Post by nylawyer on Jul 27, 2021 23:55:41 GMT -5
This should have been required since vaccine rollout for all companies. Either A) get vaccine or 2) weekly tests. Granted, teleworking may be granted exception, but once offices reopened and people were called back, it should have been either A or B. Many local, state, and federal gov’t offices have been re-opened in my area, although just 2-3 days in office. Plus, many businesses have employees returning to work. So plenty of exposure in buildings. maybe you guys/gals are all a lot younger/older than me. When I was accepted to state college in 199x, I was still below 18, so upon making 18, I had to go to local health department and get my final MMR vaccine booster and then mail those results to state college. They were pretty clear: no booster, no admittance. Not sure what has changed other than CV is waaaay more deadly than any of the firm known as MMR. So it’s a no brainer that entities have required vaccines and proof thereof before... So why not now? Arrive at your own conclusions on that. Don't downplay MMR- as recent as 1980, decades after the vaccines were invented, over 2 million people died. Also, MMR is a fully approved vaccine by the FDA, and has been for a long time. COVID is not. And while I don't want to spread false information or cause anyone to not get the vaccine (and I got it myself, and got it for my kids) the potential side effects are real. I know of two young people, including my 19 YO cousin, who ended up in the ICU as a result of side effects of the vaccine. Meanwhile, my daughter's undergraduate class of 40K pretty much all caught the disease and not one of them has had (to date) any real complications- a grand total of 4 who had pre-exisiting conditions were sent to the ER but ultimately returned home within hours. Everyone else, basically without symptoms. So, while I chose to get vaccinated, and believe it to be the correct decision, I am not going to be dismissive or contemptuous of those who decide differently. |
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Post by arkstfan on Jul 27, 2021 23:59:55 GMT -5
This should have been required since vaccine rollout for all companies. Either A) get vaccine or 2) weekly tests. Granted, teleworking may be granted exception, but once offices reopened and people were called back, it should have been either A or B. Many local, state, and federal gov’t offices have been re-opened in my area, although just 2-3 days in office. Plus, many businesses have employees returning to work. So plenty of exposure in buildings. maybe you guys/gals are all a lot younger/older than me. When I was accepted to state college in 199x, I was still below 18, so upon making 18, I had to go to local health department and get my final MMR vaccine booster and then mail those results to state college. They were pretty clear: no booster, no admittance. Not sure what has changed other than CV is waaaay more deadly than any of the firm known as MMR. So it’s a no brainer that entities have required vaccines and proof thereof before... So why not now? Arrive at your own conclusions on that. Same here. Had to get that booster to get enrolled about a decade before you. |
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Post by arkstfan on Jul 28, 2021 0:19:00 GMT -5
maybe you guys/gals are all a lot younger/older than me. When I was accepted to state college in 199x, I was still below 18, so upon making 18, I had to go to local health department and get my final MMR vaccine booster and then mail those results to state college. They were pretty clear: no booster, no admittance. Not sure what has changed other than CV is waaaay more deadly than any of the firm known as MMR. So it’s a no brainer that entities have required vaccines and proof thereof before... So why not now? Arrive at your own conclusions on that. Don't downplay MMR- as recent as 1980, decades after the vaccines were invented, over 2 million people died. Also, MMR is a fully approved vaccine by the FDA, and has been for a long time. COVID is not. And while I don't want to spread false information or cause anyone to not get the vaccine (and I got it myself, and got it for my kids) the potential side effects are real. I know of two young people, including my 19 YO cousin, who ended up in the ICU as a result of side effects of the vaccine. Meanwhile, my daughter's undergraduate class of 40K pretty much all caught the disease and not one of them has had (to date) any real complications- a grand total of 4 who had pre-exisiting conditions were sent to the ER but ultimately returned home within hours. Everyone else, basically without symptoms. So, while I chose to get vaccinated, and believe it to be the correct decision, I am not going to be dismissive or contemptuous of those who decide differently. While the vaccines went through emergency approval that is also true of much of the treatment regimen. The delta variant apparently hates kids. Arkansas Children’s Hospital has 24 Covid patients. During the last round never had more than 12 Covid patients and currently 7 in ICU and 4 on vents. Hospital in Missouri reports average age of ICU patients currently is 35. Small study but Harvard Medical says evidence point to kids suffering brain injury from Covid not generally seen in adults. I understand vaccine hesitancy but I am contemptuous of the people scoffing that it isn’t real, it’s just a hoax, it’s an attempt to control the population, it’s a scam for hospitals to get more money by claiming a broken leg in a car wreck is Covid, I don’t need it because I have an immune system, masks cause brain damage or Covid, claims more people are dying from the vaccine than Covid. That’s the crap I’m hearing from people I once thought had sense. |
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Post by arkstfan on Jul 28, 2021 8:28:55 GMT -5
History repeats itself. Our America is in great decline and the majority of our citizens are too ignorant and weak to stop it. At least we were alive to see the good days... The current U.S. Government is the new King George III... ...and a new slavery bestowed upon us all. I think the tyranny of the passions of the mob several Founders worried about is a far greater concern. The Federal government didn’t try to overthrow itself January 6 |
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Post by roymcavoy on Jul 28, 2021 8:39:43 GMT -5
maybe you guys/gals are all a lot younger/older than me. When I was accepted to state college in 199x, I was still below 18, so upon making 18, I had to go to local health department and get my final MMR vaccine booster and then mail those results to state college. They were pretty clear: no booster, no admittance. Not sure what has changed other than CV is waaaay more deadly than any of the firm known as MMR. So it’s a no brainer that entities have required vaccines and proof thereof before... So why not now? Arrive at your own conclusions on that. Don't downplay MMR- as recent as 1980, decades after the vaccines were invented, over 2 million people died. Also, MMR is a fully approved vaccine by the FDA, and has been for a long time. COVID is not. And while I don't want to spread false information or cause anyone to not get the vaccine (and I got it myself, and got it for my kids) the potential side effects are real. I know of two young people, including my 19 YO cousin, who ended up in the ICU as a result of side effects of the vaccine. Meanwhile, my daughter's undergraduate class of 40K pretty much all caught the disease and not one of them has had (to date) any real complications- a grand total of 4 who had pre-exisiting conditions were sent to the ER but ultimately returned home within hours. Everyone else, basically without symptoms. So, while I chose to get vaccinated, and believe it to be the correct decision, I am not going to be dismissive or contemptuous of those who decide differently. I’m not downplaying MMR at all. And I think the 40k number you reference may have been exposed to the original CV disease, while the Delta variant is attacking younger people in a much more aggressive, and much more serious way. This includes healthy members of my own family, sub 40. Factually, until everyone is vaccinated or develops full immunity and the disease dies off, the disease will continue to evolve. Most of the time, the evolution moves toward “more communicable” and away from “more severe.” The delta variant obviously is more deadly than the earlier strands so we might be wary of allowing it to continue to proliferate, thus to evolve. How do we do that? Minimizing exposure and transmission. Every new transmission means a different host and, thus, more possibility for evolution. This is not politics, it’s scientific fact. While it’s a “personal decision” for many, my point was and is that the federal govt has required service members to be vaccinated. While we on the civilian side can’t be court marshaled for refusing to follow an order to be vaccinated, refusing to do so and placing the entirety of your office at risk seems like a justifiable reason to terminate to me—the same way that refusing an MMR booster was a justifiable reason to deny me entry into college. |
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Post by Burt Macklin on Jul 28, 2021 8:42:08 GMT -5
History repeats itself. Our America is in great decline and the majority of our citizens are too ignorant and weak to stop it. At least we were alive to see the good days... The current U.S. Government is the new King George III... ...and a new slavery bestowed upon us all. 🙄 |
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Post by rightspeech on Jul 28, 2021 9:53:15 GMT -5
History repeats itself. Our America is in great decline and the majority of our citizens are too ignorant and weak to stop it. At least we were alive to see the good days... The current U.S. Government is the new King George III... ...and a new slavery bestowed upon us all. OK Boomer  __________________________ Excuse me while I go fire up the ole scanner/copier/laminator and begin selling fake vaccine cards on Etsy. |
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Post by someconcerns on Jul 28, 2021 10:22:06 GMT -5
History repeats itself. Our America is in great decline and the majority of our citizens are too ignorant and weak to stop it. At least we were alive to see the good days... The current U.S. Government is the new King George III... ...and a new slavery bestowed upon us all. "The current U.S. Government is the new King George III" Please, tell us more! |
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Post by stevil on Jul 28, 2021 11:03:37 GMT -5
Let me see if I got this right (and I'll gladly be corrected if someone knows the real truth).
Now, even if you are vaccinated, you are required in HHS buildings to again wear a mask?
Even though the science (and whatever the CDC is) agrees it is "rare" that a vaccinated person can transmit even the Delta variant to others?
Isn't masking unvaccinated individuals sufficient to protect them, especially since those without a valid medical reason to avoid vaccination seem intent on not protecting themselves?
Were mask manufacturers not having a good enough financial quarter?
Why is it taking me so long to win the Lotto so I can retire for the third and final time?
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Post by natethegreat on Jul 28, 2021 12:21:12 GMT -5
Let me see if I got this right (and I'll gladly be corrected if someone knows the real truth). Now, even if you are vaccinated, you are required in HHS buildings to again wear a mask? Even though the science (and whatever the CDC is) agrees it is "rare" that a vaccinated person can transmit even the Delta variant to others? Isn't masking unvaccinated individuals sufficient to protect them, especially since those without a valid medical reason to avoid vaccination seem intent on not protecting themselves? Were mask manufacturers not having a good enough financial quarter? Why is it taking me so long to win the Lotto so I can retire for the third and final time?
Unfortunately, I would imagine that the vaccinated will be required to mask anyway due to the practical concerns of identifying the unmasked to ensure their compliance. I personally know of multiple individuals who, despite being unvaccinated, took full advantage of local regulatory changes that allow the vaccinated to go mask free. Unless we are ready to allow for some readily identifiable marker to be added to the unvaccinated to identify them as such, mask mandates seem likely to end in an all-or-nothing solution.
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