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Post by hillsarealive on Aug 15, 2022 14:50:27 GMT -5
I don't think anyone has posted this yet. SSA OGC is looking for program lit attorneys. General law attorneys too. Positions are "remote from home eligible." The announcements are limited to the first 1000 or first 500 applications received. SSA OGC program lit attorney job announcement (first 1000) SSA OGC general law attorney job announcement (first 500) More background. These jobs are GS11-13, with "promotion potential" to 14. AFAIK, most OGC attorneys are promoted to 14. It is possible to reach 15 by becoming a supervisor (there are also non-supervisory 15s, but this is less common). Program lit attorneys defend SSA ALJ decisions in district and circuit court. In some districts, you draft filings for the U.S. Attorney's office, and in other districts, you are appointed as a special assistant U.S. attorney and file things yourself. General law attorneys work on employment-related matters, including employment litigation (handling trials) before the EEOC and MSPB. edit: missing word; added some background |
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Post by christina on Aug 15, 2022 20:47:15 GMT -5
Thx. I would have been unaware of this had u not posted this info |
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Post by operationalj on Aug 16, 2022 5:56:26 GMT -5
Thx. I would have been unaware of this had u not posted this info Same - I would have missed 2 very interesting opportunities. Thanks! If the ALJ doesn't work out for me, maybe these will.  |
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Post by dwesq on Aug 16, 2022 7:37:14 GMT -5
Both positions are still accepting apps.
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Post by lawyeredbylaws on Aug 16, 2022 9:45:49 GMT -5
So I've been applying to lots of federal attorney jobs, of the couple fully remote jobs I've applied to they have had around 300 applications after being open for weeks(USAJobs lists the number of applications for some jobs depending on agency). It will be interesting to see if these get more just cause of how many attorneys are at OHO.
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Post by foghorn on Aug 16, 2022 12:18:18 GMT -5
Note: I learned at a recent interview that many jobs at certain agencies are at this moment remote, and as certain agencies look to bring people back they will be less remote. However I also wonder if they need to expand staffing they may consider keeping some slots remote as it saves on real estate expenses.
Note as to this particular job: they care only about the JD transcript. They do not treat the LLM as presumptive proof that you received a JD degree.
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Post by hillsarealive on Aug 16, 2022 12:37:46 GMT -5
Note: I learned at a recent interview that many jobs at certain agencies are at this moment remote, and as certain agencies look to bring people back they will be less remote. However I also wonder if they need to expand staffing they may consider keeping some slots remote as it saves on real estate expenses. Note as to this particular job: they care only about the JD transcript. They do not treat the LLM as presumptive proof that you received a JD degree. , I don't doubt that you are correct about many jobs. FWIW, though, SSA OGC seems committed to remote work. Of course, none of us know the future, and it is always possible that the next administration will want bodies in offices! |
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Post by christina on Aug 16, 2022 14:05:17 GMT -5
This app is giving me ALJ rush rush get er done vibes. Que sera sera
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Post by christina on Aug 16, 2022 18:54:58 GMT -5
It’s in 😵💫 me currently. Time to unwind
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Post by operationalj on Aug 17, 2022 7:00:03 GMT -5
It’s in 😵💫 me currently. Time to unwind I feel ya! I saw this in my IG feed today and think it was meant for all of us: "Just because it's taking time doesn't mean it's not happening." Yes, I'm looking for signs of encouragement!  |
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Post by roymcavoy on Aug 17, 2022 8:31:59 GMT -5
May be a correlation between recent SSA attempts to boost morale of employees and the apparent lack of interest by SSA attorneys for these two positions
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Post by lawyeredbylaws on Aug 17, 2022 9:01:31 GMT -5
If you are an OHO attorney, you wouldn't even know these listings exist unless you are actively searching for jobs. You would think SSA would want some of the best OHO attorneys to apply but I guess they don't care, which feeds into the low morale.
Kinda related I swear I've applied to multiple details in OGC over the past few years without hearing any response.
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Post by christina on Aug 17, 2022 9:16:18 GMT -5
If you are an OHO attorney, you wouldn't even know these listings exist unless you are actively searching for jobs. You would think SSA would want some of the best OHO attorneys to apply but I guess they don't care, which feeds into the low morale. Kinda related I swear I've applied to multiple details in OGC over the past few years without hearing any response. True I learned about it here. |
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Post by operationalj on Aug 17, 2022 9:32:24 GMT -5
If you are an OHO attorney, you wouldn't even know these listings exist unless you are actively searching for jobs. You would think SSA would want some of the best OHO attorneys to apply but I guess they don't care, which feeds into the low morale. Kinda related I swear I've applied to multiple details in OGC over the past few years without hearing any response. Now that remote work is the norm, maybe more opportunities will open up for OHO attorneys. Prior to COVID norms, you had to go to a regional office - at your own expense - for an OGC detail/internship. It was prohibitive for many. Now, it's the norm - so many opportunities! I know many SSA OGC attorneys are overwhelmed and often request extensions on filing briefs. They could use an intern... |
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Post by Prrple on Aug 17, 2022 9:46:21 GMT -5
They are both still showing as open - not having received the max number of resumes. They close on Friday regardless of number, it appears.
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Post by rightspeech on Aug 17, 2022 9:51:02 GMT -5
If you are an OHO attorney, you wouldn't even know these listings exist unless you are actively searching for jobs. You would think SSA would want some of the best OHO attorneys to apply but I guess they don't care, which feeds into the low morale. Kinda related I swear I've applied to multiple details in OGC over the past few years without hearing any response. If they wanted OHO/OAO attorneys they would have made it internal only (like GS and SAA announcements) and probably sent an email about it. We received warning emails prior to the ALJ announcement. Instead they made it open to public. OGC knows what OHO and OAO 'attorneys' do and they don't respect it. They know we don't litigate. The fact is the longer you've been at OHO the further you are away from any actual litigation experience. They want experienced litigators, the outsider can learn the disability law it's not that hard. |
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Post by hillsarealive on Aug 17, 2022 10:15:19 GMT -5
Over the years, many OHO attorneys have completed details in my office. Of these, I can think of several who were offered permanent positions in OGC. I don't know how people are selected for these details. But they do happen, especially during periods when program litigation swells. Some of the best attorneys in my office started out in OHO (well ODAR, but you know what I mean).
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Post by ssa on Aug 17, 2022 10:35:01 GMT -5
Over the years, many OHO attorneys have completed details in my office. Of these, I can think of several who were offered permanent positions in OGC. I don't know how people are selected for these details. But they do happen, especially during periods when program litigation swells. Some of the best attorneys in my office started out in OHO (well ODAR, but you know what I mean). I’m in OHO, but I agree — I know lots of OHO attorneys who have had details with OGC or moved to OGC permanently. It used to be less common, but it seems to have happened more lately, especially in the past few years. |
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Post by hydro on Aug 17, 2022 10:46:49 GMT -5
Does anyone have insight on how the GS track is different in OGC then OHO? It seems like oho aa's with 3 years as a gs-12 could apply for the gs-13. The posting also notes promotion potential to a gs-14.
This seems pretty appealing to oho aa's stuck at gs-12, unless I misunderstood the posting.
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Post by lawyeredbylaws on Aug 17, 2022 11:20:34 GMT -5
That's basically what I was implying, OGC didn't even bother asking OHO to send out an email to all attorneys. OGC has no repsect for OHO but SSA should make them have respect. Espeically since I'd imagine it's only a few positions, so there is no way that OGC would be unable to find a couple OHO attorneys that could do the job well. Whoever they are hiring is going to require training regardless of having litigation experience.
Thing is they aren't going to get experienced litigators for a GS-13 listing. Just not happening in this job market.
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